Garden of Eden

[shoshi]

Does the story tell us something other than do not defy God and do not trust the snake? Is it saying that if we humans seek after knowledge we become smart but lose innocence? Smart but no longer innocent.

 

[harmonica]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

 

[JGalt]

It tells us to keep a close watch on the weaker sex. The devil didn't approach Adam, he talked Eve into munching on the apple.

 

[norwegen]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

Actually, if you read the rest of the Old Testament, you'd see that the people did not change from their fall from grace with respect to their forsaking God and pursuing idols. The entire Old Testament can be summed up in those terms. The entire thing is about the blessings for their obedience and the curses for their disobedience - blessings for worshipping God and curses for worshipping idols.

In the Garden of Eden, they ate the fruit of another, so to speak, and the drama began.

 

[occupied]

The Garden of Eden story is an attempt to explain the problem of evil in the world. Why God seemingly does not care if we suffer. Thing is, it's all a set up. God made the Tree and God made the serpent and God set Adam and Eve up for failure.

 

[harmonica]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

Actually, if you read the rest of the Old Testament, you'd see that the people did not change from their fall from grace with respect to their forsaking God and pursuing idols. The entire Old Testament can be summed up in those terms. The entire thing is about the blessings for their obedience and the curses for their disobedience - blessings for worshipping God and curses for worshipping idols.

In the Garden of Eden, they ate the fruit of another, so to speak, and the drama began.

......you can interpret the bible the same way you interpret the Constitution --many ways
.....you mention god--right there it makes your post wrong...there is no god, you can't prove it/etc.....we've been over this many times

 

[shoshi]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

Actually, if you read the rest of the Old Testament, you'd see that the people did not change from their fall from grace with respect to their forsaking God and pursuing idols. The entire Old Testament can be summed up in those terms. The entire thing is about the blessings for their obedience and the curses for their disobedience - blessings for worshipping God and curses for worshipping idols.

In the Garden of Eden, they ate the fruit of another, so to speak, and the drama began.

They lost their innocence. They saw they were naked. They had sex since they had children. They became aware and no longer innocent.

 

[norwegen]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

Actually, if you read the rest of the Old Testament, you'd see that the people did not change from their fall from grace with respect to their forsaking God and pursuing idols. The entire Old Testament can be summed up in those terms. The entire thing is about the blessings for their obedience and the curses for their disobedience - blessings for worshipping God and curses for worshipping idols.

In the Garden of Eden, they ate the fruit of another, so to speak, and the drama began.

......you can interpret the bible the same way you interpret the Constitution --many ways
.....you mention god--right there it makes your post wrong...there is no god, you can't prove it/etc.....we've been over this many times

In their proper historical and cultural contexts, really only one interpretation suffices. The context of Genesis is not an absence of the Supreme Being.

If you're reading Genesis assuming that it must ignore or deny the existence of God, then obviously you're reading it wrong.

 

[JGalt]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

Actually, if you read the rest of the Old Testament, you'd see that the people did not change from their fall from grace with respect to their forsaking God and pursuing idols. The entire Old Testament can be summed up in those terms. The entire thing is about the blessings for their obedience and the curses for their disobedience - blessings for worshipping God and curses for worshipping idols.

In the Garden of Eden, they ate the fruit of another, so to speak, and the drama began.

They lost their innocence. They saw they were naked. They had sex since they had children. They became aware and no longer innocent.

I bet Eve was no looker. They didn't have soap or deodorant back then, and no razors to shave her armpits with.

Adam was probably hung like a horse though.

 

[harmonica]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

Actually, if you read the rest of the Old Testament, you'd see that the people did not change from their fall from grace with respect to their forsaking God and pursuing idols. The entire Old Testament can be summed up in those terms. The entire thing is about the blessings for their obedience and the curses for their disobedience - blessings for worshipping God and curses for worshipping idols.

In the Garden of Eden, they ate the fruit of another, so to speak, and the drama began.

......you can interpret the bible the same way you interpret the Constitution --many ways
.....you mention god--right there it makes your post wrong...there is no god, you can't prove it/etc.....we've been over this many times

In their proper historical and cultural contexts, really only one interpretation suffices. The context of Genesis is not an absence of the Supreme Being.

If you're reading Genesis assuming that it must ignore or deny the existence of God, then obviously you're reading it wrong.

there is no god--we've been over this a million times and still going over it

 

[norwegen]

Adam is man; Eve is life. Man became a living creature because God breathed life into his nostrils (Gen 2:7). Then he forsook his tree of life and ate of the tree of knowledge. He knew sin; he knew idolatry; he died.

That's the context of the Old Testament. Man was dead, a spiritless creature. "None is righteous," lamented David. "No, not one."

 

[shoshi]

Childbirth is painful because of Eve. That was harsh punishment. Why do we all have to pay for her sin?

 

[RodISHI]

Adam is man; Eve is life. Man became a living creature because God breathed life into his nostrils (Gen 2:7). Then he forsook his tree of life and ate of the tree of knowledge. He knew sin; he knew idolatry; then he died.

That's the context of the Old Testament.

It is the beginning of the end for the carnal human who is dying to the carnal mind and then starts walking in the spirit of the Son of God.

 

[JGalt]

Childbirth is painful because of Eve. That was harsh punishment. Why do we all have to pay for her sin?

We get back at Eve's stupidity by making women wash dishes, cook, and clean the house. Or occasionally smack them when they deserve it.

 

[norwegen]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

Actually, if you read the rest of the Old Testament, you'd see that the people did not change from their fall from grace with respect to their forsaking God and pursuing idols. The entire Old Testament can be summed up in those terms. The entire thing is about the blessings for their obedience and the curses for their disobedience - blessings for worshipping God and curses for worshipping idols.

In the Garden of Eden, they ate the fruit of another, so to speak, and the drama began.

......you can interpret the bible the same way you interpret the Constitution --many ways
.....you mention god--right there it makes your post wrong...there is no god, you can't prove it/etc.....we've been over this many times

In their proper historical and cultural contexts, really only one interpretation suffices. The context of Genesis is not an absence of the Supreme Being.

If you're reading Genesis assuming that it must ignore or deny the existence of God, then obviously you're reading it wrong.

there is no god--we've been over this a million times and still going over it

Yea, you say that all the time. In Genesis, there is a God. In Frankenstein, a doctor builds a sapient creature. In Cujo, a rabid dog attacks people.

Your atheism is irrelevant. If you're not going to read the literature for its inherent value, then you miss the very premise of it.

 

[RodISHI]

...you can interpret all those stories any way you want---they are all just opinions/etc

Actually, if you read the rest of the Old Testament, you'd see that the people did not change from their fall from grace with respect to their forsaking God and pursuing idols. The entire Old Testament can be summed up in those terms. The entire thing is about the blessings for their obedience and the curses for their disobedience - blessings for worshipping God and curses for worshipping idols.

In the Garden of Eden, they ate the fruit of another, so to speak, and the drama began.

They lost their innocence. They saw they were naked. They had sex since they had children. They became aware and no longer innocent.

They saw that if they purposely sinned there is no grace (no longer covered) and that the flesh pays the price for what they do.

 

[shoshi]

Childbirth is painful because of Eve. That was harsh punishment. Why do we all have to pay for her sin?

We get back at Eve's stupidity by making women wash dishes, cook, and clean the house. Or occasionally smack them when they deserve it.

But Deborah commanded the men and defeated the Cananites and Esther saved the Jews of Persia.

 

[Meriweather]

Childbirth is painful because of Eve. That was harsh punishment. Why do we all have to pay for her sin?

What if it has nothing to do with punishment, only a consequence? Through the ages, people have found different meanings in the story of Adam and Eve. One hypothesis is that the Garden is the Garden outside Heaven's Gate, still a place of spiritual beings. Adam is a word encompassing all of mankind; Eve the word for Mother. This group of beings wanted knowledge of good and evil, the women (perhaps) in particular. They talked the men into this. They told God of their decision (free will) and God said, "Very well. However, the price of a physical existence comes high. Men, you will have to work hard for the land to produce; women, bearing children does not come without it's own work and pain."

I read this hypothesis years ago, and do not recall which faith (if any) is its foundation. It did mention places in the Bible where Paradise is not of this earth, but of a higher plane. It also removes the human emotion of anger from God, brings in the aspect of free will, and God ever forgiving. We hear that God will be with mankind even though they leave the heavenly life for one on earth. Mankind learns that given evil, they can produce good; and likewise, given good, they can produce evil. That is our choice as well.

 

[Ringtone]

It tells us to keep a close watch on the weaker sex. The devil didn't approach Adam, he talked Eve into munching on the apple.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Does the story tell us something other than do not defy God and do not trust the snake? Is it saying that if we humans seek after knowledge we become smart but lose innocence? Smart but no longer innocent.

That is all.