French Senate passes gay marriage and adoption

[Euroconservativ]

French Senate approves crucial marriage equality measure | The Raw Story

The upper house approved the article overnight by a vote of 179 to 157, with all Senators from the ruling Socialists voting in favour and five from the main opposition right-wing UMP breaking ranks with their colleagues to approve it.


Only 5 conservative senators voted in favour. The UMP leader, a non-practicing jew, supports and attends mass demonstrations against the bill. The german CDU/CSU is against equal rights, specially the bavarian CSU. Even in the UK a majority of tory MPs (136 vs 127) voted against their own party's government.

So european conservatives are to the left of US Democrats?

“Marriage is between a man and a woman with a view to procreation. Two men or two women will never be able to have children!” UMP Senator Charles Revet said during the debate.


By the way, gay marriage was clearly presented in Hollande's election manifesto in 2012. Everybody knew it. Including the 90% of french muslims who voted for socialist Hollande in the second round. It does not mean that 90% of french muslims support gay marriage. Not at all

 

[Agit8r]

So european conservatives are to the left of US Democrats?

But of course!

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Those cultured french sophisticates............lol

 

[DiamondDave]

Well.. I guess the gay activists have a backup plan for when they don't get all the 'you will accept me' things that they want

 

[Katzndogz]

Tens of thousands of French people are rioting all over France protesting the imposition of this law on them.

Clashes, riot police, at French anti-gay marriage protest - World News

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9A6oGz9jx0]French riot police clash with anti-gay marriage protesters - YouTube[/ame]

The American left would have you believe that the people are happy about this. They aren't.

Then the French started taking direct action.
France: Gay couple beaten in Paris for walking arm in arm - PinkNews.co.uk

 

[konradv]

Tens of thousands of French people are rioting all over France protesting the imposition of this law on them.

How is it an imposition? No one's being forced to marry someone of the same sex, are they? Since a same-sex marriage doesn't materially effect a heterosexual marriage, the people protesting are just being busy bodies who need to mind their own business.

 

[Katzndogz]

The people are being forced to accept same sex marriage as it does traditional marriage and that's where the imposition is.

 

[NoNukes]

The people are being forced to accept same sex marriage as it does traditional marriage and that's where the imposition is.

They have to accept the law, but it does not effect them.

 

[konradv]

The people are being forced to accept same sex marriage as it does traditional marriage and that's where the imposition is.

What sort of force is involved? The demonstrators are the ones that are trying to exert their will. It's the ones who are asking others to accept their prejudices that are doing the forcing.

 

[Katzndogz]

The people are being forced to accept same sex marriage as it does traditional marriage and that's where the imposition is.

They have to accept the law, but is does not effect them.

Of course it does. Just like the insipid laws we pass here affects others. The baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple. The counselor who doesn't want to provide same sex counseling services. The photographer who doesn't want to photograph a same sex wedding. Myself, when I got sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to paint their wedding portrait.

The law is wrong, it does not have the consent of the governed and will not be accepted.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The French are a weak culture. Not surprised in the least.

 

[bodecea]

The people are being forced to accept same sex marriage as it does traditional marriage and that's where the imposition is.

They are being FORCED to have a gay marriage? Really? Or are OTHER citizens allowed something that they already have. How does that impose on them? Give us some clear facts on how gay marriage IMPOSES on those who do not desire to have a gay marriage.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The people are being forced to accept same sex marriage as it does traditional marriage and that's where the imposition is.

They have to accept the law, but is does not effect them.

Of course it does. Just like the insipid laws we pass here affects others. The baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple. The counselor who doesn't want to provide same sex counseling services. The photographer who doesn't want to photograph a same sex wedding. Myself, when I got sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to paint their wedding portrait.

The law is wrong, it does not have the consent of the governed and will not be accepted.

How did you get sued? I see signs ALL THE TIME that say We Reserve the right to refuse service.

 

[bodecea]

They have to accept the law, but is does not effect them.

Of course it does. Just like the insipid laws we pass here affects others. The baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple. The counselor who doesn't want to provide same sex counseling services. The photographer who doesn't want to photograph a same sex wedding. Myself, when I got sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to paint their wedding portrait.

The law is wrong, it does not have the consent of the governed and will not be accepted.

How did you get sued? I see signs ALL THE TIME that say We Reserve the right to refuse service.

People can sue for anything....notice that she doesn't say whether she lost or not......

 

[Katzndogz]

They have to accept the law, but is does not effect them.

Of course it does. Just like the insipid laws we pass here affects others. The baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple. The counselor who doesn't want to provide same sex counseling services. The photographer who doesn't want to photograph a same sex wedding. Myself, when I got sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to paint their wedding portrait.

The law is wrong, it does not have the consent of the governed and will not be accepted.

How did you get sued? I see signs ALL THE TIME that say We Reserve the right to refuse service.

The same way all those other people got sued for refusing to perform services for anyone who demands it. I won my case by the way. Unlike the baker, photographer and counselor, I won my case.

No one particularly cares what gays do. It's when they demand that others accept the legitimacy of what they do that people rebel.

What the misconception that is being promoted here is, that France passed an inclusive law and either people are happy with it, or they don't care, when exactly the opposiite is true. Obviously they are unhappy and obviously they care. Since the authority is not paying attention to them and passing laws against the will of the people, the people are taking direct action with beating and burning gays to death. Sadly, painfully, this should be expected.

 

[NoNukes]

The people are being forced to accept same sex marriage as it does traditional marriage and that's where the imposition is.

They have to accept the law, but is does not effect them.

Of course it does. Just like the insipid laws we pass here affects others. The baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple. The counselor who doesn't want to provide same sex counseling services. The photographer who doesn't want to photograph a same sex wedding. Myself, when I got sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to paint their wedding portrait.

The law is wrong, it does not have the consent of the governed and will not be accepted.

Why would these people not want to give these services? We all have to respect that others have different beliefs. So much for America the Land of Freedom

 

[Katzndogz]

They have to accept the law, but is does not effect them.

Of course it does. Just like the insipid laws we pass here affects others. The baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple. The counselor who doesn't want to provide same sex counseling services. The photographer who doesn't want to photograph a same sex wedding. Myself, when I got sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to paint their wedding portrait.

The law is wrong, it does not have the consent of the governed and will not be accepted.

Why would these people not want to give these services? We all have to respect that others have different beliefs. So much for America the Land of Freedom

If we were the Land of Freedom, that would necessarily include the Freedom to conduct business with whoever you want to. What you propose is to take freedom from the people and call it freedom. In a land that was truly free, gays would have to respect the different beliefs of others too.

I got the idea of refusing to perform services unless I chose to do so from my mechanic who won't perform services for black people. He had so much trouble with them that he just won't deal with them anymore so he just says no, and he can legally do that. Following the result of my lawsuit, a photographer in my art club refuses to photograph same sex weddings, and does so legally. None of us have the freedom of contract to do business with those we choose to do business with. These are small acts of rebellion when their freedoms are being taken away.

That said. It is wrong to post that France passed this landmark law in a manner that suggests it is popular with the people when it is clearly not. The French people are fighting back. The British people are fighting back. Imposing unpopular laws only goes so far before resistance starts to grow.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Of course it does. Just like the insipid laws we pass here affects others. The baker who doesn't want to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple. The counselor who doesn't want to provide same sex counseling services. The photographer who doesn't want to photograph a same sex wedding. Myself, when I got sued by a lesbian couple for refusing to paint their wedding portrait.

The law is wrong, it does not have the consent of the governed and will not be accepted.

How did you get sued? I see signs ALL THE TIME that say We Reserve the right to refuse service.

The same way all those other people got sued for refusing to perform services for anyone who demands it. I won my case by the way. Unlike the baker, photographer and counselor, I won my case.

No one particularly cares what gays do. It's when they demand that others accept the legitimacy of what they do that people rebel.

What the misconception that is being promoted here is, that France passed an inclusive law and either people are happy with it, or they don't care, when exactly the opposiite is true. Obviously they are unhappy and obviously they care. Since the authority is not paying attention to them and passing laws against the will of the people, the people are taking direct action with beating and burning gays to death. Sadly, painfully, this should be expected.

To my knowledge I've only ever worked for one gay couple. They had a huge home and I was happy to do the job. Made a lot of money and they were easy to work for.

I don't see why anyone would refuse to work for gays. I have refused jobs before, in fact a couple this week, but never for reasons like this.

 

[Katzndogz]

How did you get sued? I see signs ALL THE TIME that say We Reserve the right to refuse service.

The same way all those other people got sued for refusing to perform services for anyone who demands it. I won my case by the way. Unlike the baker, photographer and counselor, I won my case.

No one particularly cares what gays do. It's when they demand that others accept the legitimacy of what they do that people rebel.

What the misconception that is being promoted here is, that France passed an inclusive law and either people are happy with it, or they don't care, when exactly the opposiite is true. Obviously they are unhappy and obviously they care. Since the authority is not paying attention to them and passing laws against the will of the people, the people are taking direct action with beating and burning gays to death. Sadly, painfully, this should be expected.

To my knowledge I've only ever worked for one gay couple. They had a huge home and I was happy to do the job. Made a lot of money and they were easy to work for.

I don't see why anyone would refuse to work for gays. I have refused jobs before, in fact a couple this week, but never for reasons like this.

My first job, at 13 years old was for a lesbian couple. I was a waitress in a diner they owned. Very nice people. When they told me that if I got married I would sadly be fired, I thought it was a joke. I didn't believe them. Right up to the day I was fired. They could tolerate a straight girl working for them, but not one that was married to a man. As odd as it seems today, I understood why they didn't want me there and agreed that it was best that I should go.

Individuals should have the absolute right to work for whoever they want to as long as the agreement is mutually made. If they have a service business, they should be allowed the freedom to perform services for whoever they want to. Sometimes it might be based in their religious belief and they should be allowed to do that. Forcing people to do what they don't want to do is not freedom. It's the exact opposite of freedom.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The same way all those other people got sued for refusing to perform services for anyone who demands it. I won my case by the way. Unlike the baker, photographer and counselor, I won my case.

No one particularly cares what gays do. It's when they demand that others accept the legitimacy of what they do that people rebel.

What the misconception that is being promoted here is, that France passed an inclusive law and either people are happy with it, or they don't care, when exactly the opposiite is true. Obviously they are unhappy and obviously they care. Since the authority is not paying attention to them and passing laws against the will of the people, the people are taking direct action with beating and burning gays to death. Sadly, painfully, this should be expected.

To my knowledge I've only ever worked for one gay couple. They had a huge home and I was happy to do the job. Made a lot of money and they were easy to work for.

I don't see why anyone would refuse to work for gays. I have refused jobs before, in fact a couple this week, but never for reasons like this.

My first job, at 13 years old was for a lesbian couple. I was a waitress in a diner they owned. Very nice people. When they told me that if I got married I would sadly be fired, I thought it was a joke. I didn't believe them. Right up to the day I was fired. They could tolerate a straight girl working for them, but not one that was married to a man. As odd as it seems today, I understood why they didn't want me there and agreed that it was best that I should go.

Individuals should have the absolute right to work for whoever they want to as long as the agreement is mutually made. If they have a service business, they should be allowed the freedom to perform services for whoever they want to. Sometimes it might be based in their religious belief and they should be allowed to do that. Forcing people to do what they don't want to do is not freedom. It's the exact opposite of freedom.

You understood why they didn't want you there and agreed with them?

Is this how you justify your intolerance? Based on theirs?