"Free Palestine

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...

Palestine had no army.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of military occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...

Palestine had no army.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...

Palestine had no army.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

Interesting.

Under what authority did Israel claim boundaries on Palestinian land?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...

Palestine had no army.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

Interesting.

Under what authority did Israel claim boundaries on Palestinian land?

It's not Palestinian land. It's Israeli land. And it it not Israel who is claiming the borders.
Palestinian land is Gaza and The West Bank.
Israel's permanent international boundaries are not up for debate.

 

[toastman]

Palestinian land

You're too funny Tinmore.

 

[toastman]

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...

Palestine had no army.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

Interesting.

Under what authority did Israel claim boundaries on Palestinian land?

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Palestine had no army.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

Interesting.

Under what authority did Israel claim boundaries on Palestinian land?

It's not Palestinian land. It's Israeli land. And it it not Israel who is claiming the borders.
Palestinian land is Gaza and The West Bank.
Israel's permanent international boundaries are not up for debate.

In both the Egyptian and Jordanian 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) the Negev was Palestine.

What happened since then?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Read the disclaimer on the bottom of that map.

 

[Phoenall]

The aggressors are the people that come from somewhere else and conquer a place with an existing population. How can you not understand that basic fact? Jews from Europe went to Palestine with a clear intent to evict the Christians and Muslims and make it a Jewish state. That is an invasion you lunatic.

Why cant you understand that this applies to the arab muslims who came illegally and took the land from the Jews. That was an armed invasion you MORON as they were not invited by the land legal owners. The muslims have a clear intent to take over the world and either massacre or convert by force the indigenous peoples of the world.
IT IS WRITTEN IN THE KORAN THAT YOU FOLLOW

There were no Jews in Palestine when Muslim converts from Christianity (led by Arabians) conquered the land from the Romans (Byzantines). The people of Palestine were Christians, as was required by Roman law. You are such a moron you can't figure out how moronic you are. LOL

The invasion was a European invasion of Palestine on the part of European Jews. It is just a fact, before 1850 there hardly any Jews in Palestine and no European Jews by 1948 the Europeans had conquered the land through war and evicted most of the Christians and Muslims that were living on it. That is an invasion. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Which islamonazi website did you get that crap from. There were Jews in Palestine from 2500 BCE right up until the present day. Read this for the history of the Jews during the Roman period

History of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And see that the Jews were present all the way through the Roman reign. Christianity did not become Romanised until near the end of the Roman Empire.


The European Jews were invited by the lands LEGAL OWNERS so it was not an invasion at all. The last 10 invasion's have all been by muslims over the last 1,000 years.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...

Palestine had no army.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

Interesting.

Under what authority did Israel claim boundaries on Palestinian land?

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

​

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

Interesting.

Under what authority did Israel claim boundaries on Palestinian land?

It's not Palestinian land. It's Israeli land. And it it not Israel who is claiming the borders.
Palestinian land is Gaza and The West Bank.
Israel's permanent international boundaries are not up for debate.

In both the Egyptian and Jordanian 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) the Negev was Palestine.

What happened since then?

No it wasn't. You're even going against what the U.N says is Palestinian land

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

Excerpts: The 1948 War:
Violence in the Holy Land broke out almost immediately after the UN announced partition on November 29, 1947. Jamal Husseini, the Arab Higher Committee's spokesman, had told the UN prior to the partition vote the Arabs would drench "the soil of our beloved country with the last drop of our blood . . .

Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The Arabs were blunt in taking responsibility for starting the war. Jamal Husseini told the Security Council on April 16, 1948:

The representative of the Jewish Agency told us yesterday that they were not the attackers, that the Arabs had begun the fighting. We did not deny this. We told the whole world that we were going to fight.​

Security Council Official Records, Special Supplement, (1948), p. 20.
Security Council Official Records, S/Agenda/58, (April 16, 1948), p. 19.

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

Did you not read my post ?? Palestinian also fought against Israel n that war. They didn't conquer Palestinian land. They conquered land allotted to the Palestinians ...

Palestine had no army.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

Interesting.

Under what authority did Israel claim boundaries on Palestinian land?

P F Tinmore, toastman, et al,

This is a matter of practical semantics and political rhetoric. The Arab Military Forces (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, and Egypt), the Arab Palestinians indigenous (irregular militia of the Arab Higher Committee), and the Jewish Forces [Jewish Brigade formed during WWII, and their irregular forces (the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun --- folded into the new Israeli Defense Force (IDF)] now declared independent and sovereign Israel, all had a slightly different perspective on the situation in mid-May 1948. And these varying perspective account for the differing interpretation of events in their individual realities.

Today, the word "conquer" is probably not the best choice of words.

(ESPECIALLY FOR P F Tinmore) When the last of the Mandatory (UK) Forces departed on the midnight between 14 May and 15 May, it left behind an unusual set of conditions behind --- in its wake. And I should, give credit to P F Tinmore's previous attempts to bring this out. The Successor Government for the withdrawing UK Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC). However --- by UK demand, the UNPC was not to arrive and take up Administration until the withdraw was complete (political end-fighting). But on the Morning of 15 May, Arab Military Forces simultaneously crossed their respective borders and engaged Israeli Forces. Thus, the Israeli War of Independence was on --- and the UN was in the process of replacing the UNPC (Lake Success, New York) with yet another successor government --- Count Bernadotte, United Nations Mediator, appointed by the General Assembly on the same day as the five Arab nations invaded.

​

Within weeks of the escalated conflict, Israel had occupied most of the territory formerly cover by the Mandate, with the exception of the "West Bank" of the Jordan, and the Gaza Strip, held by Egyptian forces.

(COMMENT)

There was no country of Palestine, with Arab Sovereignty. Autonomy had been rejected as unsatisfactory by the AHC. There were Arab Palestinians, but they declined to establish an "Arab State;" and failed to take by force the whole of the territory formally covered by the Mandate. At the signing of the last Armistice Agreement, there was no territory that was not already under the effective control of either Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and "effective control" is a term that defines a military occupation.

In 1949 the UN divided Palestine into three areas of occupation with the armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

The armistice agreements did no such things. That is just another Tinmore lie.
The armistice agreements were signed wayyyy before the treaties between Israel and Jordan & Israel and Egypt were signed, that gave Israel permanent international boundaries with those two countries.

Interesting.

Under what authority did Israel claim boundaries on Palestinian land?

It's not Palestinian land. It's Israeli land. And it it not Israel who is claiming the borders.
Palestinian land is Gaza and The West Bank.
Israel's permanent international boundaries are not up for debate.

In both the Egyptian and Jordanian 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) the Negev was Palestine.

What happened since then?

Mandate for Palestine land if you read the treaties, to become Israel after the UN had accepted Israel into the family.

 

[toastman]

Read the disclaimer on the bottom of that map.

Every map on the UN page says that. Has nothing to do with Israel..


"The Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace was signed on October 26, 1994. The treaty resolved territorial and border issues that were ongoing since the 1948 war. The treaty specified and fully recognized the international border between Israel and Jordan

"The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have something wrong here.

In both the Egyptian and Jordanian 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) the Negev was Palestine.

What happened since then?

(REFERENCE)

1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Egypt
1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Jordan

(COMMENT)

As you said, the Arab Palestinian needs to remember that:

• The Arab Palestinian was not a party to the Armistice Agreements; the were between Israel and its adjacent Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria).
• The Armistice Agreements simple stopped the movement of the FEBA (Forward Edge of the Battle Area).
• The Armistice Demarcation Lines were intended to be temporary arrangement, separating hostile forces, not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary.

I cannot find in either Armistice Agreement where the disposition of forces in the Negev Dessert is discussed. Can you point that out to me. If you are talking about the phrases:

• Article III-2, 1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Egypt wherein it says: "and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier."
• Article V, 1d, 1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Jordan wherein it says: "to the southernmost tip of Palestine,"

It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to dissolve the newly formed State of Israel, and establish Arab control over the entirety of the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine formerly applied. No where in any of the Armistice Agreements assign any territory to the entity of Palestine (the capacity of the government to exercise jurisdiction over all control of the territory) or the control of Palestinian Forces. For one reason, that would be beyond the scope and intent of the Armistice Arrangements; for another, there was no party to the conflict know as Palestine, thus no area of control. And of course, Israel was originally apportioned the Negev in the General Assembly Resolution 181(II): The Partition Plan.

The Peace Treaty between Israel-Egypt (1979) and Israel-Jordan (1994), came after both the continuation of the 1948 War in 1967 and again in 1973. In both of those outbreaks of hostilities, the "sovereign control" (the capacity of the government to exercise jurisdiction over the territory) of the Negev Desert was never in question - in the hands of the Israelis. The Arab instigation and incitement of armed conflict in both cases saw an unqualified military defeat of Arab Forces.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have something wrong here.

In both the Egyptian and Jordanian 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) the Negev was Palestine.

What happened since then?

(REFERENCE)

1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Egypt
1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Jordan

(COMMENT)

As you said, the Arab Palestinian needs to remember that:

• The Arab Palestinian was not a party to the Armistice Agreements; the were between Israel and its adjacent Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria).
• The Armistice Agreements simple stopped the movement of the FEBA (Forward Edge of the Battle Area).
• The Armistice Demarcation Lines were intended to be temporary arrangement, separating hostile forces, not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary.

I cannot find in either Armistice Agreement where the disposition of forces in the Negev Dessert is discussed. Can you point that out to me. If you are talking about the phrases:

• Article III-2, 1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Egypt wherein it says: "and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier."
• Article V, 1d, 1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Jordan wherein it says: "to the southernmost tip of Palestine,"

It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to dissolve the newly formed State of Israel, and establish Arab control over the entirety of the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine formerly applied. No where in any of the Armistice Agreements assign any territory to the entity of Palestine (the capacity of the government to exercise jurisdiction over all control of the territory) or the control of Palestinian Forces. For one reason, that would be beyond the scope and intent of the Armistice Arrangements; for another, there was no party to the conflict know as Palestine, thus no area of control. And of course, Israel was originally apportioned the Negev in the General Assembly Resolution 181(II): The Partition Plan.

The Peace Treaty between Israel-Egypt (1979) and Israel-Jordan (1994), came after both the continuation of the 1948 War in 1967 and again in 1973. In both of those outbreaks of hostilities, the "sovereign control" (the capacity of the government to exercise jurisdiction over the territory) of the Negev Desert was never in question - in the hands of the Israelis. The Arab instigation and incitement of armed conflict in both cases saw an unqualified military defeat of Arab Forces.

Most Respectfully,
R

"It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to dissolve the newly formed State of Israel, "

It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to protect the Christians and Muslims from Jewish aggression which was intended to ethnically cleanse and/or eliminate the non-Jews living in the portion of Palestine illegally assigned to the Europeans.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

That is the political cover the Arabs use to justify their armed invasion (by five countries).

It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to protect the Christians and Muslims from Jewish aggression which was intended to ethnically cleanse and/or eliminate the non-Jews living in the portion of Palestine illegally assigned to the Europeans.

(COMMENT)

In the last 6 decades (plus), slowly the institutional knowledge about the real reasons for the the 1948 Invasion, by the Arab Coalition, has been painted over, camouflaged and faded by the pro-Palestinian perpetual victim rhetoric. But back then (1948), the ground truth was clearly known.

• Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. Arab opposition to the plan of the Assembly of 29 November 1947 took the form of organized efforts by strong Arab elements, to prevent its implementation of the Jewish self-determination and the establishment of the Jewish State; the Arab intention was to thwart its objectives by threats and acts of violence, including repeated armed incident and events. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:​

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The real reasons were hard to distinguish and articulate. But there is little doubt that in addition to crushing the development of a Jewish National Home, the surrounding Arab countries apparently wanted to divvy-up the territory formerly under Mandate, and add it the sovereignty. Certainly Egypt and Jordan had staked-out their territorial cuts (the Gaza Strip and West Bank), while the military expeditions Lebanon and Syria were unsuccessful.

Most Respectfully,
R

​

 

[Indofred]

Free Palestine

That's what the Jews thought when they invaded.
Why pay for it when we can steal it for nothing?

 

[toastman]

Free Palestine

That's what the Jews thought when they invaded.
Why pay for it when we can steal it for nothing?

An invasion is a military offensive. Jewish immigration only means an invasion to propagandists, and Jew hating Muslims , like yourself.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have something wrong here.

In both the Egyptian and Jordanian 1949 armistice agreements (that Israel signed) the Negev was Palestine.

What happened since then?

(REFERENCE)

1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Egypt
1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Jordan

(COMMENT)

As you said, the Arab Palestinian needs to remember that:

• The Arab Palestinian was not a party to the Armistice Agreements; the were between Israel and its adjacent Arab States (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria).
• The Armistice Agreements simple stopped the movement of the FEBA (Forward Edge of the Battle Area).
• The Armistice Demarcation Lines were intended to be temporary arrangement, separating hostile forces, not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary.

I cannot find in either Armistice Agreement where the disposition of forces in the Negev Dessert is discussed. Can you point that out to me. If you are talking about the phrases:

• Article III-2, 1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Egypt wherein it says: "and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier."
• Article V, 1d, 1949 Armistice Agreement Israel-Jordan wherein it says: "to the southernmost tip of Palestine,"

It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to dissolve the newly formed State of Israel, and establish Arab control over the entirety of the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine formerly applied. No where in any of the Armistice Agreements assign any territory to the entity of Palestine (the capacity of the government to exercise jurisdiction over all control of the territory) or the control of Palestinian Forces. For one reason, that would be beyond the scope and intent of the Armistice Arrangements; for another, there was no party to the conflict know as Palestine, thus no area of control. And of course, Israel was originally apportioned the Negev in the General Assembly Resolution 181(II): The Partition Plan.

The Peace Treaty between Israel-Egypt (1979) and Israel-Jordan (1994), came after both the continuation of the 1948 War in 1967 and again in 1973. In both of those outbreaks of hostilities, the "sovereign control" (the capacity of the government to exercise jurisdiction over the territory) of the Negev Desert was never in question - in the hands of the Israelis. The Arab instigation and incitement of armed conflict in both cases saw an unqualified military defeat of Arab Forces.

Most Respectfully,
R

"It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to dissolve the newly formed State of Israel, "

It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to protect the Christians and Muslims from Jewish aggression which was intended to ethnically cleanse and/or eliminate the non-Jews living in the portion of Palestine illegally assigned to the Europeans.

That is the most pathetic lie you have come up with Monti. It really says a lot about you when all you have is propaganda is lies.

What's funny is that you claim Israel started the Six day war because they attacked first, but when FIVE, yes FIVE Arab states combine and surround Israel with the clear intent of destroying the newly founded state, you come up with this garbage excuse.

 

[toastman]

montelatici, et al,

That is the political cover the Arabs use to justify their armed invasion (by five countries).

It should be remembered that the intent of the conflict was to protect the Christians and Muslims from Jewish aggression which was intended to ethnically cleanse and/or eliminate the non-Jews living in the portion of Palestine illegally assigned to the Europeans.

(COMMENT)

In the last 6 decades (plus), slowly the institutional knowledge about the real reasons for the the 1948 Invasion, by the Arab Coalition, has been painted over, camouflaged and faded by the pro-Palestinian perpetual victim rhetoric. But back then (1948), the ground truth was clearly known.

• Arabs Take Responsibility

The UN blamed the Arabs for the violence. Arab opposition to the plan of the Assembly of 29 November 1947 took the form of organized efforts by strong Arab elements, to prevent its implementation of the Jewish self-determination and the establishment of the Jewish State; the Arab intention was to thwart its objectives by threats and acts of violence, including repeated armed incident and events. The UN Palestine Commission was never permitted by the Arabs or British to go to Palestine to implement the resolution. On February 16, 1948, the Commission reported to the Security Council:​

Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein.
Para 3c, A/AC.21/9 S/676 16 February 1948
​

The real reasons were hard to distinguish and articulate. But there is little doubt that in addition to crushing the development of a Jewish National Home, the surrounding Arab countries apparently wanted to divvy-up the territory formerly under Mandate, and add it the sovereignty. Certainly Egypt and Jordan had staked-out their territorial cuts (the Gaza Strip and West Bank), while the military expeditions Lebanon and Syria were unsuccessful.

Most Respectfully,
R

​

Excellent post Rocco. Specially the bold

One thing I have learned about many pro Palestinian propagandists when I joined this site is that they simply hate the truth, as it conflicts with their agenda

 

[P F Tinmore]

Free Palestine

That's what the Jews thought when they invaded.
Why pay for it when we can steal it for nothing?

An invasion is a military offensive. Jewish immigration only means an invasion to propagandists, and Jew hating Muslims , like yourself.

Palestine was born under military occupation and troop strength against them was even increased in the '30s.

It definitely was a military invasion.