Fox Braintrust: Mandatory Vaccinations Could Lead To 'Forced Abortion'

[Dana7360]

How very callous of you.

"Sorry, kid. You're on your own. You had the bad luck to be born to retards. Don't come crying to me when you get maimed or killed."

It's "callous" to live and let live? I wonder if you actually believe this nonsense or if you're just trolling.

Please explain something to me.

Why don't you understand that babies aren't born vaccinated nor are they born immune to those diseases?

Babies can't be vaccinated for months after birth. In the case of some vaccinations such as the measles, they can't be vaccinated until they're at least a year old.

Why do you believe you have the right to kill someone else's baby?

Not one baby has died.

They are vaccinating the kids from 1 day old up to 3 months old.
One day old
hepB
7 vaccines by the time they are 2 to 3 months.
CDC - Vaccines - Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedules

It is very rare that babies die from measles. Zero deaths have occurred here in the U.S.A.
Just as its rare for MMR complications.
Both sides of the argument are parents who are concerned for their child's health.
Why aren't both sides of the argument important for concerned parents.?
Why force ones fears over the others fears?
There has got to be some sort of compromise rather than forcing parents to get MMR's with their fears over the other parents fears of their kids getting sick with these diseases.

I can't get past the lie in your first sentence.

There have been hundreds of babies who have died from diseases that we have vaccines for.

Here's what the CDC says about pertussis:
Whooping cough can even be deadly. From 2000 through 2012, there were 255 deaths from whooping cough reported in the United States. Almost all of the deaths (221 of the 255) were babies younger than 3 months of age.

CDC - Whooping Cough (Pertussis) Fact Sheet for Parents - Vaccines

I can't find any numbers on the deaths of babies with measles mostly because it was declared eradicated in 2000 and is only recently making a come back. However thousands die in undeveloped nations that don't have vaccinations or don't make them mandatory.

The CDC says that it kills one patient for every thousand who contract it. So yes, babies do die from the measles. They're more open to it because they can't be vaccinated before a year old and because they don't have well established immune systems.

The resurgence of measles in America, and the human costs of foregoing vaccination

However millions died before 1967 from the measles. It was a very deadly disease until the vaccination. When rubella hit America in the 60s it killed 2 thousand babies and caused 11 thousand miscarriages.

Vaccines: Vac-Gen/What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations

Do you really want to go back to that?

Do you really want to kill someone else's baby? I know you republicans love to kill people but I'm shocked that you don't draw the line at killing someone else's baby. I guess death is death to you and the more babies we have dying from preventable disease is a good thing to you.

I was talking about the measles just like you said that you can't find any deaths from the measles as of today not the past.

That's because it was eradicated in 2000. Only because stupid people didn't vaccinate their kids has it been able to make a comeback.

There were no deaths for pertussis at first when it made a comeback. Yet a few years later, hundreds of babies have died from it.

Give the measles time, babies will start dying if we don't get everyone vaccinated.

You advocate for people to have the right to infect someone else's baby and the baby dies.

You're a part of the baby killing machine and there's nothing you can do to stop me from pointing out what you are.

 

[peach174]

It's "callous" to live and let live? I wonder if you actually believe this nonsense or if you're just trolling.

Please explain something to me.

Why don't you understand that babies aren't born vaccinated nor are they born immune to those diseases?

Babies can't be vaccinated for months after birth. In the case of some vaccinations such as the measles, they can't be vaccinated until they're at least a year old.

Why do you believe you have the right to kill someone else's baby?

Not one baby has died.

They are vaccinating the kids from 1 day old up to 3 months old.
One day old
hepB
7 vaccines by the time they are 2 to 3 months.
CDC - Vaccines - Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedules

It is very rare that babies die from measles. Zero deaths have occurred here in the U.S.A.
Just as its rare for MMR complications.
Both sides of the argument are parents who are concerned for their child's health.
Why aren't both sides of the argument important for concerned parents.?
Why force ones fears over the others fears?
There has got to be some sort of compromise rather than forcing parents to get MMR's with their fears over the other parents fears of their kids getting sick with these diseases.

I can't get past the lie in your first sentence.

There have been hundreds of babies who have died from diseases that we have vaccines for.

Here's what the CDC says about pertussis:
Whooping cough can even be deadly. From 2000 through 2012, there were 255 deaths from whooping cough reported in the United States. Almost all of the deaths (221 of the 255) were babies younger than 3 months of age.

CDC - Whooping Cough (Pertussis) Fact Sheet for Parents - Vaccines

I can't find any numbers on the deaths of babies with measles mostly because it was declared eradicated in 2000 and is only recently making a come back. However thousands die in undeveloped nations that don't have vaccinations or don't make them mandatory.

The CDC says that it kills one patient for every thousand who contract it. So yes, babies do die from the measles. They're more open to it because they can't be vaccinated before a year old and because they don't have well established immune systems.

The resurgence of measles in America, and the human costs of foregoing vaccination

However millions died before 1967 from the measles. It was a very deadly disease until the vaccination. When rubella hit America in the 60s it killed 2 thousand babies and caused 11 thousand miscarriages.

Vaccines: Vac-Gen/What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations

Do you really want to go back to that?

Do you really want to kill someone else's baby? I know you republicans love to kill people but I'm shocked that you don't draw the line at killing someone else's baby. I guess death is death to you and the more babies we have dying from preventable disease is a good thing to you.

I was talking about the measles just like you said that you can't find any deaths from the measles as of today not the past.

That's because it was eradicated in 2000. Only because stupid people didn't vaccinate their kids has it been able to make a comeback.

There were no deaths for pertussis at first when it made a comeback. Yet a few years later, hundreds of babies have died from it.

Give the measles time, babies will start dying if we don't get everyone vaccinated.

You advocate for people to have the right to infect someone else's baby and the baby dies.

You're a part of the baby killing machine and there's nothing you can do to stop me from pointing out what you are.

I'm saying both points of parents views are important and there needs to be some sort of compromise here.
On each side the parents are afraid for their children's health.
You for a baby dying and the other neurological damages.
If they brought back the individual vaccines rather than the multiple types, more parents would be willing to get the vaccines.

 

[westwall]

west mall and frank simply refuse to understand that their conceptual understanding of the world fails to coincide with its reality.

Their problem, not ours.

You drunk fakey? You're even more incoherent than usual. The fact remains, I am all for vaccinations, I am not for FORCED vaccinations. Ignorant progressives like you can't seem to grasp that SIMPLE FACT.

I don't care if you are for parachutes if you jump out of an airplane. Your approval is immaterial is the point. We the People make these types of decisions. If you don't like it, who cares? Your approval does not matter.

Yes, you progressives have such a good track record to point to.....

 

[nodoginnafight]

west mall and frank simply refuse to understand that their conceptual understanding of the world fails to coincide with its reality.

Their problem, not ours.

You drunk fakey? You're even more incoherent than usual. The fact remains, I am all for vaccinations, I am not for FORCED vaccinations. Ignorant progressives like you can't seem to grasp that SIMPLE FACT.

I don't care if you are for parachutes if you jump out of an airplane. Your approval is immaterial is the point. We the People make these types of decisions. If you don't like it, who cares? Your approval does not matter.

Yes, you progressives have such a good track record to point to.....

Trolling Off Topic Posts Will be Removed From the Politics Section US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[mikegriffith1]

It's a bit baffling that most liberals seem to reflexively endorse the claim that vaccines are totally safe and absolutely essential, given that this claim is strongly pushed by the super-rich drug companies, which make billions off vaccines.

I have no problem with certain vaccines, and I had my kids get them. But I do not think that all vaccines are safe or essential.

Let's take the flu vaccine. Leaving aside the safety issues, there is very good evidence that the flu vaccine is largely ineffective for some people and a waste of money in most cases anyway. Consider the following article that appeared in Scientific American in 2012:

Flu Shots May Not Protect the Elderly or the Very Young - Scientific American

Among other things, the article points out the following:

* About "half the time" the vaccine does not match the circulating viral strain for that year, so that year it's ineffective.

* If you do not get a flu shot, you have only about a 4 percent chance of catching the flu. (And your odds of dying if you catch the flu are only about one-fourth of 1% or .0025%--that's 1 in 400.)

And, again, this isn't to mention any of the safety concerns about the flu vaccine. I would agree that the health risks are minimal, but they can be serious for some people. So people should be made aware that there is a small risk of serious side-effects, instead of being told that the vaccine is "totally safe."

 

[bendog]

It's a bit baffling that most liberals seem to reflexively endorse the claim that vaccines are totally safe and absolutely essential, given that this claim is strongly pushed by the super-rich drug companies, which make billions off vaccines.

I have no problem with certain vaccines, and I had my kids get them. But I do not think that all vaccines are safe or essential.

Let's take the flu vaccine. Leaving aside the safety issues, there is very good evidence that the flu vaccine is largely ineffective for some people and a waste of money in most cases anyway. Consider the following article that appeared in Scientific American in 2012:

Flu Shots May Not Protect the Elderly or the Very Young - Scientific American

Among other things, the article points out the following:

* About "half the time" the vaccine does not match the circulating viral strain for that year, so that year it's ineffective.

* If you do not get a flu shot, you have only about a 4 percent chance of catching the flu. (And your odds of dying if you catch the flu are only about one-fourth of 1% or .0025%--that's 1 in 400.)

I don't think there's much of a claim to efficacy with the flu vaccine. It's cheap, and in many offices free, and it gives you at least 20-25% coverage. My kid's pediatrician favored tamaflu because kids rebound so fast, but at $100 a dose even with my insurance, it's a matter of cost for me as an adult.

And, I don't see vaccines as being that big a profit maker. Orgasms and pain relief are biggies.

 

[g5000]

Poor westwall. He drank the piss that nazis are left wing.

Nothing can be done for him.

We need more negroes in government jobs and our schools.

Honk if you love Obama!

 

[g5000]

I just got a flu shot and now I feel like aborting something!

 

[JakeStarkey]

west mall and steph are so weirded out that the great majority of folks go through life confused that folks like west mall and steph can't others believe and think and act in ways with which they don't like or agree, and then west mall and steph become so disturbed they obsess about who those people who don't agree or think or like what they think is right.

The difference between them and me is I don't worry about them at all. I accept they are different, wrong, and let it go, because I know they can't change things.

Them? They obsess. Not healthy, folks.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Anyone that doesn't get a vaccination probably shouldn't ***** about measles or much of anything. They're ******* themselves and the entire country.

 

[JakeStarkey]

My brother last week got a pneumo virus vax then almost went down to the maternity ward to wreak havoc.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Anyone that doesn't get a vaccination probably shouldn't ***** about measles or much of anything. They're ******* themselves and the entire country.

Yup, they are morally and biologically wrong, but don't want to be told so.

 

[whitehall]

The guy was a freaking guest on a round table discussion that Media Matters loooves to monitor. He is only part of Fox's "braintrust" if you are a low information leftie who is blinded by hatred for free speech.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I personally believe in vaccinations for all kids who go to public school. Not only does it make the children safe, but it also helps to protect kids who cannot get the vaccinations (like those with MS).

The only reason that a child should be exempted from vaccinations is for medical reasons.

If you don't believe in vaccinations because of religious or personal reasons? Fine, don't vaccinate your kids, but home school them so they don't infect others if they become sick.

Wanna hear something scary? It would be very easy for a terrorist to mount an attack on this country, and the problem is, we wouldn't even know it. Want to know how?

Simple...........pull a stunt on the Americans like what we did to the Indians with smallpox blankets. All they'd have to do is find someone with some disease like measles or mumps, have them infect about 20,000 worth of 20 and 10 dollar bills (some of the most circulated in this country), and make donations to places like the Salvation Army and Goodwill. Most of the people who use those services are poor and don't have health care so are more likely to become infected.

 

[g5000]

The guy was a freaking guest on a round table discussion that Media Matters loooves to monitor. He is only part of Fox's "braintrust" if you are a low information leftie who is blinded by hatred for free speech.

Did any of the Fox regulars disavow the dipshit, or did they invite him back?

 

[g5000]

Fox News brought on a hedge fund manager to talk about vaccines...

He's a regular on Fox.

 

[g5000]

Up next, we bring in country singer Merl Haggard to talk about trading credit default swaps without an insurable interest.

 

[westwall]

west mall and frank simply refuse to understand that their conceptual understanding of the world fails to coincide with its reality.

Their problem, not ours.

You drunk fakey? You're even more incoherent than usual. The fact remains, I am all for vaccinations, I am not for FORCED vaccinations. Ignorant progressives like you can't seem to grasp that SIMPLE FACT.

I don't care if you are for parachutes if you jump out of an airplane. Your approval is immaterial is the point. We the People make these types of decisions. If you don't like it, who cares? Your approval does not matter.

Yes, you progressives have such a good track record to point to.....

Trolling Off Topic Posts Will be Removed From the Politics Section US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

But it IS on topic. That's the point. One that you don't wish to acknowledge.

 

[westwall]

Poor westwall. He drank the piss that nazis are left wing.

Nothing can be done for him.

We need more negroes in government jobs and our schools.

Honk if you love Obama!

The nazis were collectivist. Left wing, right wing, who cares which wing, the one thing that anyone should be able to agree on is they were a totalitarian collectivist government. That's the point. Progressives seem to love them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

west mall and frank simply refuse to understand that their conceptual understanding of the world fails to coincide with its reality.

Their problem, not ours.

You drunk fakey? You're even more incoherent than usual. The fact remains, I am all for vaccinations, I am not for FORCED vaccinations. Ignorant progressives like you can't seem to grasp that SIMPLE FACT.

I don't care if you are for parachutes if you jump out of an airplane. Your approval is immaterial is the point. We the People make these types of decisions. If you don't like it, who cares? Your approval does not matter.

Yes, you progressives have such a good track record to point to.....

Trolling Off Topic Posts Will be Removed From the Politics Section US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

But it IS on topic. That's the point. One that you don't wish to acknowledge.

No, you are trolling and not on topic.