Forget About Climate Change. Democrats Need to Talk About Other Issues

[Stryder50]

Is your friend as stupid as you are? The science that provide absolute evidence that GHG's heat the atmosphere was demonstrated in 1858 by John Tyndall in England. Nobody has falsified that since then. Flapyapping trying to change the subject is evidence of a very weak mind.

Tyndall's work confirmed radiant heat absorption of individual elements/compounds but he didn't do experiments replicating the atmosphere and measuring effect of different concentrations of CO2. That is the critical science still needed to confirm if CO2 has a real significant effect or not. i.e. to prove the ACC/AGW hypothesis.

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Tyndall explained the heat in the Earth's atmosphere in terms of the capacities of the various gases in the air to absorb radiant heat, in the form of infrared radiation. His measuring device, which used thermopile technology, is an early landmark in the history of absorption spectroscopy of gases. He was the first to correctly measure the relative infrared absorptive powers of the gases nitrogen, oxygen, water vapour, carbon dioxide, ozone, methane, and other trace gases and vapours. He concluded that water vapour is the strongest absorber of radiant heat in the atmosphere and is the principal gas controlling air temperature. Absorption by the other gases is not negligible but relatively small. ....
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The proof was that water vapour strongly absorbed infrared radiation. ...
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Relatedly, Tyndall in 1860 was first to demonstrate and quantify that visually transparent gases are infrared emitters.
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John Tyndall - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Highlighting my doing.

Bottom line is that most GHGs have minor effect in heating atmosphere, other than water(H2O) vapour. Water vapour usually about 10% (Or more, varies with season and geography, etc.) in addition to components of "dry" atmosphere which is the condition reflected when we see discussion of Carbon Dioxide or Methane, etc. as a percent or part of the atmosphere.

 

[Moonglow]

Modern democrat invented catstrophes
Racism
Global warming
Climate change
Identity politicks
Have all failed
Whats next? They are back to racism

Jews invented old catastrophes.

 

[Stryder50]

Man, you are ******* dumb. We have increased the CO2 in the atmosphere from 280 ppm to 424 ppm. We have increased the CH4 from about 650 ppb to over 1900 ppb. In the past, at the present levels, there were no polar ice caps. By natural climate change, the Milankovitch Cycles, we should be descending, slowly, into the next ice age.

I don't know where you got your chart, but here is a source from real scientists;

I got my chart off an internet search for such showing CO2 levels and global temperatures over centuries to millions of years. I select the one I showed because it is clear for most to read and understand. In the lower left corner is the URL for where this chart was generated.

"Real" scientists remain divided on sources and effects, etc. I'm not convinced by anecdotal subjective testimony of an individual on a video.

Atmosphere CO2 level of @280 ppm from a couple centuries ago was one of the lowest levels we've found in Earth's recorded history. The increase to 424 is not significant to prior levels that were several times that and when life was thriving on this planet.

"ppm" = Parts Per Million and 424ppm could be expressed as 424/1,000,000 or reduced to about 4/10,000 or 1/2,500 (Also as 0.04% of total DRY atmosphere. Water vapour is about 10% more or 100,000ppm/1,000,000+.).
The flim-flam scam of ACC/AGW is that the one part can cause the other 2,499 parts to also become warmer. I've yet to find the objective laboratory tests that demonstrate increasing heat to one molecule will transfer equally to the other 2,499 molecules.

If you have objective evidence to such effect, please present.

BTW, methane, at 1,900 ppb = parts per BILLION =1,900/1,000,000,000 or @0.000002% (0.0000019) of Dry Atmosphere.

BTW, please document your claim about no polar ice caps since these appear to have been around for at least 1-2 billion years and during most of that time CO2 levels were a few to several times what they are at present and average global temperatures were also often much higher.
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You may want to repeat basic K-12 math and science, especially chemistry and physics, perhaps even some early college classes, since you appear to be the one who is "*******"dumb.

 

[Stryder50]

Jews invented old catastrophes.

Try Sumerians who predated the Jews.
BTW, Abraham was a 'Sumerian' before making pact with YHWH.

 

[Moonglow]

Try Sumerians who predated the Jews.
BTW, Abraham was a 'Sumerian' before making pact with YHWH.

Gotta have a hobby when you live a thousand years, and Judean eschatology is a nice hobby.

 

[Stryder50]

Gotta have a hobby when you live a thousand years, and Judean eschatology is a nice hobby.

More like part of a larger plan;
The Geminga Scenario

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

WTF is all that? You sound like an ignorant Trump supporter.

Don't blame it on your friend, you're asking for yourself.

Thoughts?

 

[Moonglow]

Thoughts?

With this planet, it could happen.

 

[Mashmont]

Americans are aware of climate change, a hardcore minority refuse to discuss this at all, but on this forum, those strident voices of opposition to science make up the majority of posters.

There is widespread ignorance, obviously, amongst that group, but that does not mean most Americans (a majority) do not believe in science, because we do. Democrats fail at all of their messaging so them trying to make Americans care about this worsening, world wide problem does not inspire confidence, to say nothing of offering solutions, the same ones Trump killed.

Trump's path of destruction will be the gift that keeps on giving in many respects, including this one.

We have no way to know where we are in the global warming cycle, and so all dire future predictions are baseless. There is no "science" that can predict the next spin of the roulette wheel.

 

[task0778]

We have no way to know where we are in the global warming cycle, and so all dire future predictions are baseless. There is no "science" that can predict the next spin of the roulette wheel.

And, as yet there is no science that can definitively tell us how much of the current GW/CC problem is anthropogenically caused, all we see is somebody's educated guess based on possibly questionable data. I say questionable cuz it's been wrong so far for the past 35-40 years. We've seen prophesies and projections come and go that were totally wrong.

Nor is there any science that can tell us definitively what we can actually do that moves the needle. Solutions that move beyond politics and big money. Past history of environmental policies and programs have proven to be largely ineffective relative to their cost. Example: that effing high speed rail in CA, typical democrat BS. I would bet serious money that the biggest benefactors for that project are all democrat donors and supporters. So, who should I trust here?

 

[wist43]

There is no GW Climate Change problem.

We are in a natural warming period, emerging from a LIA.

The observed modern warming began in the 1880's - before the onset of mass industrialization.

Thank God we are not living in an era of lower global temps. Enjoy your summer folks

 

[Sunsettommy]

Thoughts?

He the brother of Paul Ehrlich?

 

[Mushroom]

We have no way to know where we are in the global warming cycle, and so all dire future predictions are baseless. There is no "science" that can predict the next spin of the roulette wheel.

Actually, that is both correct and incorrect.

Part of the problem is that this interglacial is like none others on record. We know this has been an extremely cold interglacial, the geological record proves that. Something in the system "broke" back in the Younger Dryas around 13kya, and instead of continuing to warm as it had in the past the planet slid right back into Ice Age temperatures. And every time since we had a few hundred years of warming, it jumped right back to Ice Age temperatures again.

And this is not "speculation", this is a cold hard fact. We know what the geological record shows previous interglacials are like, the evidence of them is all over the planet. Like in Florida.

Now that is harder to tell on the US West Coast, because of the high mountain range just inland of the current coastline. But we know from examining the ocean fauna how much warmer it is now than it was during the last interglacial.

We also have a damned good idea what Northern Europe was like in the last interglacial.

The inescapable and undeniable geological proof screams that previous interglacials have been significantly warmer than this one has been, this one is extremely cold and the geological record proves it. One reason we have been able to date so many of them so accurately is actually due to ocean sediment cores and Miami.

The first image I presented is the coastline of Florida in the last interglacial. And Miami is literally built on top of multiple ancient coral reefs laid down during interglacials. They have drilled into this and sampled the ages, and it corresponds to multiple interglacial cycles.

The fact is, we are over half way through our current interglacial if the timeline of cycles remains the same. So at this point the map of Florida should resemble the top one so that the coral reefs under and around the city there now can rebuild. However, it is not like that at all. We are seeing islands in the Pacific eroding away that have survived multiple ice ages, because by this time they should be underwater and the reefs being rebuilt. But they are not underwater, so the ocean is wearing down what little remains above the water.

This is why geologists tend to piss off these "climatology morons". We can point to the clear and undeniable evidence of previous interglacials, and every single one of them screams this one is extremely cold, not warm.

 

[Mushroom]

Thank God we are not living in an era of lower global temps. Enjoy your summer folks

But we are in an era of lower global temperatures.

And if things do not change soon and the planet start warming a hell of a lot faster than it does, the next glacial cycle may be an extinction event for multiple species as huge areas of North America north of Kansas and much of Europe north of the Alps will be uninhabitable and under ice.

 

[EMH]

But we are in an era of lower global temperatures.

And if things do not change soon and the planet start warming a hell of a lot faster than it does, the next glacial cycle may be an extinction event for multiple species as huge areas of North America north of Kansas and much of Europe north of the Alps will be uninhabitable and under ice.

Thread '"Interglacials" are 100% refuted by ice cores'

Oct 28, 2025

CO2 FRAUD is 100% about getting science invalids to believe planet Earth warms and cools as a whole. That conclusion was completely blown out of the water by the fact that Greenland froze while North America thawed during the past 1 million years.

The "interglacial" is part of CO2 FRAUD's attempt to mislead on that issue.

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[EMH]

proof was that water vapour strongly absorbed infrared radiation

.... which oh by the way minor issue is EXTREMELY WEAK AND STATISTICALLY IRRELEVANT from Sun's EM.

Ozone absorbs UV, 10k more powerful than weak IR