For argument's sake, let's say BLM is EVIL.

Mac1958 I have found one of the undesirables. The great atheist roo, AtheismIsUnstoppable aka. Devon Tracey has been banned out of youtube for wrong-think. Hundreds of videos erased out of history. Sam Harris will likely soon follow. Facts are not to be allowed.

I will laugh when your house burns. Fucking laugh.
 
The GOP has run against brown people, or the Other - in one form or another - in every election since 1968. This one is no different.
With lowest unemployment in history, Opportunity Zones and First Step Act, President Trump has done more for American blacks than Born in Kenya Barack ever did

Trump kept employment gains on the same trend line Obama had them, until Trump confronted the first real problem not of his own making. You're bragging about numbers that no longer exist. "Lowest unemployment" is a fading memory.

The delusional buffoon - who lied to you that he had inherited a disaster - has delivered a disaster. Take a look for yourself. Don't rely on Trump's word for anything. At all.

Thank Obama for funding the Wuhan Flu

Also note how the American Taliban is cheering the unemployment

Ain't nobody cheering unemployment. Up to a minute ago, you were pretending it was at an all-time low. Get your story straight.
We KNOW blue state governors are. Mine is. She's determined to wipe out business in michigan
 
This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?
Nothing is going to solve our race issue in this country...except time. There will be no magic moment where it's OK. We have been so narrowly focused on the Black issue..that we have forgotten that there are other races in this country as well. Most of the Hispanics I've talked to are unimpressed with BLM....I don't see all that many other races walking in solidarity...lots of woke White people...but very few Asians or Hispanic folk.

They too want a piece of the pie..they too have their horror story history of White oppression.

this is going to be a long road..and probably won't end until everyone is brown with slanted eyes...LOL!

Let me guess what the "race issue" is according to you. It is that there are white people - who founded the country - still in the country.

I don't expect the race issue ever to get better when it seems that only whites are able to treat people based on the content of their character and not the amount of the melanin content. Others seem to be like you - portraying whites as evil oppressors despite being massively uplifted by their wealth - and themselves as owed a shake down.

Except it is not true. White people are no different than any other group except they hold cultural power in this country. That generally means they get to control the narratives and the rules. Other than that we all have our bigotires.

What you stated is outrageously blatant lie.

And yes, it is the white nation, what do you god damn think? What, are we supposed to have the Japanese narratives? Well, maybe that would actually be good idea, since Japanese people would accurately identify what you posted as total nonsense and lies.
What specifically is a lie?

It is a white majority nation because we took by force and deceit from it’s native inhabitants (a trait common to the human race as a whole). So what narratives are there? Those of the dominant white European culture, those of the descendents of black slaves who did not attain full rights under law until the civil rights act; the narratives of Japanese Americans who were interned during WW2, the narratives of our indiginous peoples who suffered through a history of broken treaties and land confiscation....and so many more. All make up America but for some reason acknowledging brings about an almost anaphylactic reaction from some in the dominant white culture.

Everything that was stated in your STUPID ASS text was a lie. There is a big difference between the races for starters, in almost any metric that is looked at.
There is a big difference, hmmmm.....well that might say more about you than me, I am thinking since “black” in America means anyone with any percentage of African blood...

As for how the nation was founded, who fucking cares. If you are not fine with it leave, it sounds like you weren't an American anyway. Chances are you won't come by any nation with less troubled past, but at least plenty will execute you for treason, the non-white ones especially.

Cool. Doesn’t mean you have the right to discount other American narratives ... nor, for that matter, dou you get to decide who is or is not an American.

As president Trump outlines in his speech, it is because of American achievement that you even have time to formulate the whinery you have just submitted. We dragged humanity out of disease, poverty and ignorance. No, not you, you have not achieved SHIT by the looks of the text. And no one with your destructive far-left mentality ever will. That is precisely why the whinery.

:lmao: That achievement was built by all Americans, including the descendents of Africans, you seem to imply are racially inferior, the many immigrants .... Irish, Polish, Mexican, Chinese, German, Lebanese, Somali, Cuban....more than I can think of off the top of my head, our indiginous peoples...all of us.

Coyote, you again display your fundamental confusions about what America is. See, I have the right to discount ANY narrative I want, for ANY reason. The anti-American narratives of yours will get placed in a dumpster. Finally, yes I can observe who is, and is not an American. You don't seem even half American.

You can learn about the achievements of African Americans all over Africa - they still have more slaves than were ever brought here - and don't even have drinking water in many places. It was mostly the Western Europeans for whom and by whom the nation was built, based on superior American values of freedom. Everything you state from start to finish is systematically NONSENSE.

Having been born and raised in this country, I have absolutely no confusion about this country and who built it nor am I confused about what constitutes an American.

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The country was more than 80% white for most of its history.

Not only were you confused then, you are still confused now. That picture might as well be from Africa, which looks very different from America, with very different ideals.
The country is changing, and that's the way it's going to be.

The fact that this makes people like you more paranoid and more miserable is perfectly fine.

This is your final primal scream, whether Trump wins or not. You really should be spending more time enjoying it.
..they are just like nazis--I've linked the many reasons why before--so you are ok with nazis?
I love this one.

Here you are, worshiping an arrogant, loud, egotistical, nationalist authoritarian of European descent who promises to "save" the country by ridding it of millions of undesirables, and you're tossing that word around.

Projection.

Name one 100% legal immigrant, with citizenship, what is being expelled from the country?

Trump is enforcing immigration laws. He is not getting rid of 'undesirables'. He's getting rid of criminals. The only people being deported, are people who broke the law to get here.

You can't break our laws.

Those on the left, on the other hand, are in fact acting like nazis. They are trying to control speech. Trying to rewrite history. Trying to dictate how everyone lives.

That is fascism. The term "political correct" itself, was from Fascism. When you promote a cancel culture... that's fascism.

There is nothing fascist about having legal immigration rules, and requiring people follow those rules.

And the real true irony of this discussion, like many others positions with the left-wing, is that when you ask legal immigrants, they support enforcing immigration laws.

I had a roommate that was living with me, while he saved up money for a house, and had his wife come from Bangladesh. I was genuinely curious about his position on this, and asked him straight up about Trump and immigration laws. He said openly he supported them. And this is a guy that had spent the 5 years in the US, in order to get his citizenship.

And I asked why he support it. He told me in his home country, they had huge immigration problems, from people just walking into their country, squatting on land, and then demanding they be taken care of. Huge problems.

And I've heard the same thing from dozens of immigrants. People from Somalia support immigration laws. People from Nepal. People from Colombia. People from Mexico. The only people who think we shouldn't have, or enforce immigration laws, are Americans.

By the way, same thing as voter ID laws. You talk to black people and minorities, and they all support voter ID laws. Only left-wing whites, claim it's racists or something to have voter ID laws.

It cracks me up by the way.... saying you don't want voter ID laws, and yet saying you are against Russian influence in the election. You realize that there are over 300,000 (on average), Russian 'visitors' in the US in a given year?

What if Putin, sent all those 'tourists' to swing states, and had them vote in the election directly? Don't need an ID... right? How would you know? You wouldn't.

You realize that we had 76 Million foreign visitors in the US, in just 2017. Honestly, without voter IDs, foreigners could vote in our election every 4 years, and swing every single one.

Left-wingers are just intellectually incoherent.
 
This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?
We first have to teach Blacks how to not resist an arrest and just obey the cops.
Good luck with that, otherwise when they are already taught ever since they were little that the mean white racist devil cops are out to get them. Even though they are caught doing something wrong, they immediately go into their "all white cops are racist black hating devils trying to set them up" mode.

This makes them forget about what they were doing in which caused them to be stopped, and therefore puts them into the thinking that the cop is more wrong than they are, so how dare him attempt to arrest me for what I've been doing says the criminal in his or her mind. He doesn't have the right, so I will resist this injustice, even fight back if I have too.

hmmmm...I wonder if you realize that THIS is in living memory...not some distant past....

Anyway, I do realize that you guys see this as a war between Good and Evil. That really is a shame.
It's a deadly struggle between the West and an authoritarian ideology that has decimated whatever it has
touched. Maybe if you weren't the smartest guy in the sixth grade and already knew everything you might
see this...but I doubt it.


Yet the west is now adopting rightwing authoritarian leaders....and that is somehow better?
 
It really isn't a "war" between "good and evil". Different people have different experiences and perspectives.

Life is complicated. Making long term assumptions is a bad idea. Conditions change.

Yes, it does feel like I'm having to communicate at a sixth grade level here. I wish I didn't have to.
You don't have to! You're just a self superior jackass who likes to feel like he's brightest guy around
when in reality...you are not!

If you don't think the West is superior to the authoritarian governments trapping millions under socialism, by almost any standard you can think of, then you aren't "smart" at all.
You are hopelessly asinine.
My goodness, I don't know much about you. I think you pay too much attention to my posts.

Anyway, I think we all know there is no one smarter than a Trumpster.

What's the matter Mac?

Are Nazis evil or not?
Yes, if there is such a thing as evil. Why do you ask?

Evil seemed to exist just fine when you made the title of the thread.

So are communists, the arch enemies of Americans evil?
Yes, I was being facetious, mocking Trumpsters and their goofy use of the word. I guess you didn't catch that.

Communists who do bad things may be. Communists who just want to be communists are not.

Was that too complicated?

The way they view it - Marxism = Communism and they both = Stalinsim. That is why we supported regimes every bit if not more awful over anything Marxist...and why we overturned an election in Iran that led to installing the Shah that led to ....what we see now.
 
Here you are, worshiping an arrogant, loud, egotistical, nationalist authoritarian of European descent who promises to "save" the country by ridding it of millions of undesirables, and you're tossing that word around
What has multiculturalism that you worship brought to the country. America's strength is in its UNITY, not its


DIVISION
 
Mac1958 I have found one of the undesirables. The great atheist roo, AtheismIsUnstoppable aka. Devon Tracey has been banned out of youtube for wrong-think. Hundreds of videos erased out of history. Sam Harris will likely soon follow. Facts are not to be allowed.

I will laugh when your house burns. Fucking laugh.

Feel the love.
 
Yet the west is now adopting rightwing authoritarian leaders....and that is somehow better?
Name one and explain how they are "authoritarian leaders"?

Victor Orbing, Hungary:

On Monday, under the pretext of addressing the COVID-19 public health emergency, Hungary's parliament gave green light to the Orban-led government to rule with unlimited power for an indefinite time. Prime Minister Viktor Orban can now suspend any existing law and implement others by decree, without parliamentary or judicial scrutiny. Elections have been suspended.

The law allows for new criminal penalties of five years in prison for publishing vaguely defined “false” or “distorted” facts – another blow to media freedom in the country. With this law, Hungary becomes the first country in the European Union to virtually abolish all democratic checks-and-balances.

How has it come to this? In the past 10 years, the government has spared no efforts to curb judicial independence, restrict civil society activities, and gain near full control over the media. Having repeatedly failed to appreciate the gravity of the situation, EU institutions risk making the same mistake again.
 
Here you are, worshiping an arrogant, loud, egotistical, nationalist authoritarian of European descent who promises to "save" the country by ridding it of millions of undesirables, and you're tossing that word around
What has multiculturalism that you worship brought to the country. America's strength is in its UNITY, not its


DIVISION
Nothing wrong with multi-culturalism, just as long as the cultures are bringing something good with them, and it is unifying the country instead of doing the opposite. I love diversity in cultures, just as long as it all understands what it is to be unified and American. The problem is when we see activism begin to infiltrate the various cultures, and it begins to teach hate towards the old culture, and against any new generational culture that might take on any aspects of the old culture that has been molded by the leftist as being something evil or totally evil now.
 
Yet the west is now adopting rightwing authoritarian leaders....and that is somehow better?
Name one and explain how they are "authoritarian leaders"?

Victor Orbing, Hungary:

On Monday, under the pretext of addressing the COVID-19 public health emergency, Hungary's parliament gave green light to the Orban-led government to rule with unlimited power for an indefinite time. Prime Minister Viktor Orban can now suspend any existing law and implement others by decree, without parliamentary or judicial scrutiny. Elections have been suspended.

The law allows for new criminal penalties of five years in prison for publishing vaguely defined “false” or “distorted” facts – another blow to media freedom in the country. With this law, Hungary becomes the first country in the European Union to virtually abolish all democratic checks-and-balances.

How has it come to this? In the past 10 years, the government has spared no efforts to curb judicial independence, restrict civil society activities, and gain near full control over the media. Having repeatedly failed to appreciate the gravity of the situation, EU institutions risk making the same mistake again.
Probably took notes from the leftist actions here, before realizing that they had best take action there before what they see happening here reaches there shores. The world might be seeing the left as being pure poisonous around the world now. Who knows.
 
You're assigning one small organization to an entire political philosophy. It's an excuse to keep screaming platitudes and pointing the finger.

You're the one that wants to discuss "one small organization"... One that's just lifted about $650 grand off of guilt ridden American Capitalist --- because they are "so small" and insignificant... Their NAME IN PAINT ALONE this past month surpasses the "mentions" mark for Joe Biden...

You a fan of Marxist inspired groups achieving "normalcy" by hiding behind a well crafted slogan?

Do you think this is harmless???
 
This isn't going well!

:laugh:

Think they're trying to tell you to "read up" on the founding of BLM and the leadership.. It's all an open secret about their principles and goals..

What's amazing to me is the COOPERATION of major American corporations to BACK such a group... It's right out of Atlas Shrugged... Prostrating your public owned company to secure protection from such a group is beyond foolhardy.. It's suicidal...

I'd LOVE to see a competing movement with ACTUALLY GENUINE goals to right wrongs.. But this farce has already gained enough traction to DESTROY those who raised them up...
It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group.
It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group.
It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group.
It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group. It's not about the group.

I'm confused.. What was this thread about??? THey TOOK THE NAME.. It belongs to a group where MOST of the founders are openly advertising their fellowship with Marxists...

I'm CRUSHED that a more responsible, rational pro-active group didn't get that name first.. But that is the REALITY here.. They are leveraging "respectability" from corporations they would CRUSH if they had the chance and the power...

You OK man??? I'm worried about you...
 
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The earliest hashtag for blacklivesmatter is registered to THREE co-founders... Here are TWO of them.. Go bing the 3rd yourself....

Patrice Cullors


“We are trained Marxists. We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk,” Cullors added in the interview with Jared Ball of The Real News Network.

While promoting her book “When They Call You a Terrorist: A Black Lives Matter Memoir” in 2018, Cullors described her introduction to and support for Marxist ideology.



Opal Tometi


In light of the prominence of Black Lives Matter – a global non-profit currently receiving millions in donations – photos have begun to circulate of Opal Tometi, a founder of the organization, hugging Maduro at the 2015 People of African Descent Leadership Summit in Harlem, New York, where several high-rank officials of the Venezuelan regime also participated. Maduro, currently banned from the United States, was in town for the annual United Nations General Assembly.

Tometi appears alongside Maduro on a Venezuelan government propaganda site’s news report from the event, raising a fist and embracing him. The photo appears to be taken in front of a giant photo of Maduro’s face.

Tometi spoke at the summit, standing in front of a Venezuelan flag for the speech and thanking Maduro’s government for the opportunity. Among her targets during the speech were the government of the Dominican Republic for deporting Haitians and “Western economic policies, land grabs, and neocolonial financial instruments like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund” for, she argued, creating the Mediterranean migrant crisis.

Note: If you WATCH the vid of that Maduro lovefest in Harlem -- Opal Tometi was the LEAD SPEAKER...
 
Communists who do bad things may be. Communists who just want to be communists are not.

Was that too complicated?

No.. Actually too simplistic.. They all read the same manuals.. They all have the same goals.. They don't become evil UNTIL their plans start failing and killing people.. Like that good old boy Maduro for instance...

If YOUR goal was to help "normalize" all this -- good luck with that...
 
As I read the Trumpsters' posts, I'm really beginning to think that they have become literally convinced that Trump is the only thing that stands between us and North Korea or Venezuela. It will just switch, and one day we'll all be destitute. Do or die. All or nothing. Peace or war. Pure good vs. pure evil. Joy vs. misery.

Why focus on Trump? You now have elected members of Congress who sport the Dem logo, but espouse deep socialist ideology and more than a little "love of power"... Like "I'm the boss now" AOC... If they are making any sense at the time...

I WISH there was a Black Lives Matter group that I COULD support.. But it's a non-starter for me, I'm ALL signed up for fixing some systemic law/justice problems, but I don't NEED democracy and capitalism REMOVED as a prerequisite...

You looking forward to dealing with all that????
 
It really isn't a "war" between "good and evil". Different people have different experiences and perspectives.

Life is complicated. Making long term assumptions is a bad idea. Conditions change.

Yes, it does feel like I'm having to communicate at a sixth grade level here. I wish I didn't have to.
You don't have to! You're just a self superior jackass who likes to feel like he's brightest guy around
when in reality...you are not!

If you don't think the West is superior to the authoritarian governments trapping millions under socialism, by almost any standard you can think of, then you aren't "smart" at all.
You are hopelessly asinine.
My goodness, I don't know much about you. I think you pay too much attention to my posts.

Anyway, I think we all know there is no one smarter than a Trumpster.

What's the matter Mac?

Are Nazis evil or not?
Yes, if there is such a thing as evil. Why do you ask?

Evil seemed to exist just fine when you made the title of the thread.

So are communists, the arch enemies of Americans evil?
Yes, I was being facetious, mocking Trumpsters and their goofy use of the word. I guess you didn't catch that.

Communists who do bad things may be. Communists who just want to be communists are not.

Was that too complicated?

Does the same apply to Nazis or communists only?
Well, I thought about it for Nazis, and I wonder if there were Nazis who didn't do or enable evil things (depending on one's definition of "evil"). So I guess that answer would have to be qualified somewhat.

I wonder how many questions you plan on asking. This is fairly boring.

Well if a man can't admit that communists are evil - he is a total moral failure, not to mention an enemy of the nation. You should have asked these questions from yourself before, since you have such a difficult time answering straight forward questions with definitive answers.

The wiggle waggle you give here is just an example of what a moral wreck you are.
So a person who was born, raised and lives in a communist country, and is perfectly content, is evil? Really?
.

I did not realize all people who lived in the communist country were communists. Who ended communism then?
You whine about me not answering questions, then you dodge.

Is a content person who lives under communism evil? Yes or no? I say no. Would you like to kill them? You must since they're evil.

Can I answer? I never hold citizens responsible for the evils of their govt because it's hard enough for citizens to hold THEIR OWN FREAKING govts responsible for much of anything... Don't want to KILL any No. Koreans.. They're barely SURVIVING under that crushing regime...

While all the Dems and Repubs had the citizens of IRAQ LOCKED UP WITH A MADMEN under punishing embargoes and daily bombings -- I was out there pushing to END those embargoes and stop KILLING Iraqis.. Even IF they had a shotgun wielding, maniacal leader that MIGHT have WMDs...

Kinda of a red herring to suggest that ANYONE has a gripe or wants to KILL VICTIMS of Deep socialism or Communism...,..
 
Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

Sorry Mac -- I'm as guilty as the rest of them.. Didn't get past your title and focus on BLM...
I found the MEAT in your OP above...


Can we do that TOMORROW???? Same time, same station??
 
Mac1958 I have found one of the undesirables. The great atheist roo, AtheismIsUnstoppable aka. Devon Tracey has been banned out of youtube for wrong-think. Hundreds of videos erased out of history. Sam Harris will likely soon follow. Facts are not to be allowed.

I will laugh when your house burns. Fucking laugh.

Feel the love.

No love for communist defenders.
 

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