Florida Gov. drafts bill allowing citizens to shoot looters & rioters

[2aguy]

They are allowed to be shot at even if they themselves are not armed with anything life threatening?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People are beaten/raped/murdered by people who aren’t wielding a weapon. You know that, right?
Just so we are clear... people looting your store/house, and/or burning it down should be allowed to do their thing without you intervening unless they are armed with a gun or knife. That’s your position?

My position is we have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and Regulate them Well!

better yet, regulate criminals and stop releasing them like you criminals are doing daily.

If people like yourself would stop arming these idiots they probably wouldn`t have been in jail to begin with. As soon as they`re released they`ll have another gun and that`s on you and your fellow gun fondlers.

No, moron, letting them out over and over again is on you guys....we catch them, you let them go....that is the problem...

Normal people who own and carry guns don't cause gun murder or gun crime...as 27 years of experience show....the crap hole democrat party run cities have high gun murder rates because they keep letting violent criminals out of jail and prison...



Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

They are allowed to be shot at even if they themselves are not armed with anything life threatening?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People are beaten/raped/murdered by people who aren’t wielding a weapon. You know that, right?
Just so we are clear... people looting your store/house, and/or burning it down should be allowed to do their thing without you intervening unless they are armed with a gun or knife. That’s your position?

My position is we have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and Regulate them Well!

better yet, regulate criminals and stop releasing them like you criminals are doing daily.

If people like yourself would stop arming these idiots they probably wouldn`t have been in jail to begin with. As soon as they`re released they`ll have another gun and that`s on you and your fellow gun fondlers.

We keep arming them?
Interesting theory. Absolutely retarded, but interesting.
Tell me, it is illegal for felons to possess a firearm, right?
So they aren’t buying them from gun stores. They can’t get them online. And I’ve never known a single person who has sold a gun to somebody shady.
Most funded by felons are stolen or smuggled.
Why would hun owners, probably the most law abiding group of people you can find, “arm” criminals?

Who gives us thousands of unenforceable gun laws? Nation`s Real Assholes.

Are you drunk or high or both? Your posts are generally stupid, but these posts are incredibly stupid....

 

[Roudy]

Can't believe that wasn't already the law in every state.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

More winning from the Sunshine State. It must be nice to have a Governor who isn't a nutless POS like the one we got stuck with.

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has drafted “anti-mob” legislation that would expand the state’s Stand Your Ground law – a move that some worry would allow armed citizens to shoot and potentially kill anyone they suspect of looting...."

"It also allows for death to be the punishment for a property crime..."

"The draft legislation also includes measures that would make protesting which disrupts the public by blocking traffic, a third degree felony..."

"Additionally the law would allow the state to withhold funds from local governments that cut police budgets..."

Florida's DeSantis moves to allow citizens to shoot looters, rioters targeting businesses

DeSantis can do anything he wants. After his handling of the virus and the number of deaths in the state, his political career is OVER.
And a bill like this has NO chance of passing. Rotsa ruck, Ron!

You are such a lying piece of shit.....Desantis did a better job than cuomo.......same populations, more seniors in Florida and cuomo in New York killed over 30,000 people in nursing homes....you asshole.

DeSantis political career is over. He's an in-over-his head Trump bootlicker who right now has the virus spinning out of control in his state.
Take this cherry picking crap somewhere else hack.

 

[miketx]

They are allowed to be shot at even if they themselves are not armed with anything life threatening?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People are beaten/raped/murdered by people who aren’t wielding a weapon. You know that, right?
Just so we are clear... people looting your store/house, and/or burning it down should be allowed to do their thing without you intervening unless they are armed with a gun or knife. That’s your position?

My position is we have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and Regulate them Well!

better yet, regulate criminals and stop releasing them like you criminals are doing daily.

If people like yourself would stop arming these idiots they probably wouldn`t have been in jail to begin with. As soon as they`re released they`ll have another gun and that`s on you and your fellow gun fondlers.

No, moron, letting them out over and over again is on you guys....we catch them, you let them go....that is the problem...

Normal people who own and carry guns don't cause gun murder or gun crime...as 27 years of experience show....the crap hole democrat party run cities have high gun murder rates because they keep letting violent criminals out of jail and prison...



Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Fact! All those vermin scum trolls do is lie!

 

[miketx]

Finally. Time to practice the FIRST part of the 2nd Amendment. Form Militias of Regular Americans.

If a state were to pass a law that required every law-abiding citizen of the state over the age of 18 own an AR-15 and at least 50 rounds of ammunition ...
Then dutifully enforced the law ... That my friends would be a Well Regulated Militia, without infringing on anyone's rights to own a firearm.

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No, it would not. It would be a buncha dumb-ass amateur rednecks with guns.

Hey sh*t weasel, I've carried a gun everyday for nearly 30 years, most of that time with a license. Never shot anybody or myself or had an accidental discharge. Looks like us "amatuer rednecks" are smarter than all you fools in the dem cesspools after all. Shill commie thug.

Only bad thing that happened though was it took me nearly 20 minutes one time to get this girls bra off. I never should have put the GD thing on!

 

[ESay]

They are allowed to be shot at even if they themselves are not armed with anything life threatening?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

People are beaten/raped/murdered by people who aren’t wielding a weapon. You know that, right?
Just so we are clear... people looting your store/house, and/or burning it down should be allowed to do their thing without you intervening unless they are armed with a gun or knife. That’s your position?

People are also killed because some nut thinks they "look threatening".

I’m fairly certain shooting someone who “looks threatening” is not allowed in this or any other law.
The justification of “he Looked threatening” better also be accompanied by “as he threw a brick at me”, or “as they smashed in my front windows”, or “as they lit my car on fire”.

I’ll tell you up front, I am about as pro second amendment as it gets. But make no mistake, I sure as hell don’t take shooting someone lightly. I believe strongly in people’s individual rights, all of them. First and foremost they have the right to their lives. They also have a right to their free speech, even if I despise what they are saying.
Somebody “looking threatening” isn’t a reason or justification for someone else to punch that person. It certainly isn’t justification enough to shoot someone. Not in my opinion.

Maybe 'looks threatening' isn't suffice justification. But what if there may be 'supposed' deeds which can harm you.

As an example, two guys come to Mike on the street and demand money. They are not armed, they dont throw anything and dont beat anyone. But they threaten to cut Mike's guts if he won't obey them. Mike draws a gun and shoots one of them when this guy makes a step toward him, and then shoots the other. There are no witnesses.

What the odds are that Mike will go to prison?

 

[Bulletbob]

That's good! In my case I wouldn't shoot someone over some minor incident but if they put me in fear of my or my wifes life or they are breaking in, trying to steal my car, etc, too bad. You gonna get shot.

Blocking the street? Hmmmmm... Sorry ,Officer. My Brake musta slipped! (snicker)

blocking the streets interferes with commerce, people going to doctors work and so much more it should be a felony

 

[protectionist]

Maybe 'looks threatening' isn't suffice justification. But what if there may be 'supposed' deeds which can harm you.

As an example, two guys come to Mike on the street and demand money. They are not armed, they dont throw anything and dont beat anyone. But they threaten to cut Mike's guts if he won't obey them. Mike draws a gun and shoots one of them when this guy makes a step toward him, and then shoots the other. There are no witnesses.

What the odds are that Mike will go to prison?

All depends on who the judge or jury is. Conservative or liberal. One good reason to never live in a blue state or city if you can help it.

 

[Bulletbob]

Finally. Time to practice the FIRST part of the 2nd Amendment. Form Militias of Regular Americans.

If a state were to pass a law that required every law-abiding citizen of the state over the age of 18 own an AR-15 and at least 50 rounds of ammunition ...
Then dutifully enforced the law ... That my friends would be a Well Regulated Militia, without infringing on anyone's rights to own a firearm.

.

No, it would not. It would be a buncha dumb-ass amateur rednecks with guns.

Hey sh*t weasel, I've carried a gun everyday for nearly 30 years, most of that time with a license. Never shot anybody or myself or had an accidental discharge. Looks like us "amatuer rednecks" are smarter than all you fools in the dem cesspools after all. Shill commie thug.

Only bad thing that happened though was it took me nearly 20 minutes one time to get this girls bra off. I never should have put the GD thing on!

I to have carried a gun for decades both personally and professionally , I have never fired one professionally but did have to draw it on 4 occasions as for privately , I never had to draw it one time .
I plook at carrying a gun much like a condom its better to have one and not need it then to need it and not have it.

 

[protectionist]

blocking the streets interferes with commerce, people going to doctors work and so much more it should be a felony

Blocking streets can KILL people. In the cars all jammed up and unable to move, there could be a pregnant woman on the way to the hospital to give birth. Could be somebody going to the hospital also, bleeding badly. Could be an ambulance in a hurry. Could be a fire truck on the way to a fire. Could be a police car on a call, with people in trouble waiting for the police to arrive. Or could even be people in a car with no AC, roasting in the HOT Florida sun.

If I were a mayor I would order the cops to announce an order to disperse. If they don't move, start beating the daylights out of them with billy clubs. They'll move.

 

[ESay]

Maybe 'looks threatening' isn't suffice justification. But what if there may be 'supposed' deeds which can harm you.

As an example, two guys come to Mike on the street and demand money. They are not armed, they dont throw anything and dont beat anyone. But they threaten to cut Mike's guts if he won't obey them. Mike draws a gun and shoots one of them when this guy makes a step toward him, and then shoots the other. There are no witnesses.

What the odds are that Mike will go to prison?

All depends on who the judge or jury is. Conservative or liberal. One good reason to never live in a blue state or city if you can help it.

IMO, this situation is basically a test whether a right to defend oneself exists or not. The right to use arms when someone intrudes your house or car etc is understandable and should be a given.

And if a person can protect themselves in such a dubious situation as described above and can be cleared from charge after that (even if possibility is 50/50), then this shows that the right effectively works.

 

[protectionist]

DeSantis political career is over. He's an in-over-his head Trump bootlicker who right now has the virus spinning out of control in his state.
Take this cherry picking crap somewhere else hack.

So a guy from Vermont is gong to tell us Floridians all about what's going to happen in Florida, huh ?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

DeSantis political career is over. He's an in-over-his head Trump bootlicker who right now has the virus spinning out of control in his state.
Take this cherry picking crap somewhere else hack.

So a guy from Vermont is gong to tell us Floridians all about what's going to happen in Florida, huh ?

I'm from NH snowflake. You're welcome for the geography lesson.
I have friends and relatives in FL. They are telling me of the incompetent clown show that is Ron DeSantis.
Again, he's all done.

 

[BlackSand]

I'm from NH snowflake. You're welcome for the geography lesson.
I have friends and relatives in FL. They are telling me of the incompetent clown show that is Ron DeSantis.
Again, he's all done.

Didn't the Republicans flip both the State House and Senate this time around in your State?
If you are so concerned about things, you might ought to look a little closer to home than Florida ...

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[Bulletbob]

DeSantis political career is over. He's an in-over-his head Trump bootlicker who right now has the virus spinning out of control in his state.
Take this cherry picking crap somewhere else hack.

So a guy from Vermont is gong to tell us Floridians all about what's going to happen in Florida, huh ?

I'm from NH snowflake. You're welcome for the geography lesson.
I have friends and relatives in FL. They are telling me of the incompetent clown show that is Ron DeSantis.
Again, he's all done.

sorry but Rons done a great job , part of why florida is growing at such a huge rate , you family and friends must be liberal commie socialist morons

 

[Turtlesoup]

More winning from the Sunshine State. It must be nice to have a Governor who isn't a nutless POS like the one we got stuck with.

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has drafted “anti-mob” legislation that would expand the state’s Stand Your Ground law – a move that some worry would allow armed citizens to shoot and potentially kill anyone they suspect of looting...."

"It also allows for death to be the punishment for a property crime..."

"The draft legislation also includes measures that would make protesting which disrupts the public by blocking traffic, a third degree felony..."

"Additionally the law would allow the state to withhold funds from local governments that cut police budgets..."

Florida's DeSantis moves to allow citizens to shoot looters, rioters targeting businesses

I live in Florida. Our Governor is outstanding.

Flor-I-DUH. America's largest trailer park/retirement community with a beach. Horrible, dumb people.

Actually sunny Florida------where many houses have their own swimming pools and are on canals to go fishing or take boat rides with....and now I get run over attackers who would try to block me in and attack me. I knew I bought the SUV for some reason. The fun never ends in florida.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm from NH snowflake. You're welcome for the geography lesson.
I have friends and relatives in FL. They are telling me of the incompetent clown show that is Ron DeSantis.
Again, he's all done.

And I would suppose they are Independents like you, huh?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

I'm from NH snowflake. You're welcome for the geography lesson.
I have friends and relatives in FL. They are telling me of the incompetent clown show that is Ron DeSantis.
Again, he's all done.

And I would suppose they are Independents like you, huh?

No. Half and half. But even the Trump supporters acknowledge the shit show that Florida's become.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Maybe 'looks threatening' isn't suffice justification. But what if there may be 'supposed' deeds which can harm you.

As an example, two guys come to Mike on the street and demand money. They are not armed, they dont throw anything and dont beat anyone. But they threaten to cut Mike's guts if he won't obey them. Mike draws a gun and shoots one of them when this guy makes a step toward him, and then shoots the other. There are no witnesses.

What the odds are that Mike will go to prison?

An attacker needs not be armed for a licensed CCW carrier to use deadly force. Usually when somebody pulls out a firearm for protection, that's enough to stop any aggression. In over 99% of the cases where a carrier pulls out his or her weapon, they never have to fire it once.

If there are no witnesses then it's just a matter of the victim claiming his or her belief of being in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. There is no legal definition of what serious bodily harm means. There are age factors too. I'm 60 years old and am no match for two or three 20 year old punks that attack me.

Your scenario is extremely unlikely. If these two people are making a threat towards another person and he or she pulls out a gun, what will mostly likely happen is they raise their arms to the side of their head and walk backwards quickly until they get enough distance to safely run away.