Florida Gov. drafts bill allowing citizens to shoot looters & rioters

I would rather the Dems move EAST. All of them. Or else ,I hope San Andreas cuts loose at 20 on the Richcter Scale.

The entire left coast is extremely liberal and Arizona not far behind. Plus the fact most of the border is at the west anyhow. They can let in all the South American immigrants they like. If we moved there, the battle to keep them out would continue.

On the east we have the dreaded northeast states. Once we take over those, cost of living would drop dramatically, and in spite of being ran by Democrats, many are still beautiful places to live.
So what happens to Texas?

It gets divided. Either that or we figure out the line based on square milage and make the tradeoff with other states on the line. I would like to keep Texas as the Republican side.
How about leavin' the COASTS to the Commiecrats. We sure don't need PMSachusettes. Who needs the Sea anyway? Maybe the Pig Libs can put floating Windmill farms out there.


We would still have the ports in the south......
 
DeSantis political career is over. He's an in-over-his head Trump bootlicker who right now has the virus spinning out of control in his state.
Take this cherry picking crap somewhere else hack.
So a guy from Vermont is gong to tell us Floridians all about what's going to happen in Florida, huh ?

I'm from NH snowflake. You're welcome for the geography lesson.
I have friends and relatives in FL. They are telling me of the incompetent clown show that is Ron DeSantis.
Again, he's all done.


Then the assholes are lying to you. DeSantis is a very popular governor. He is doing a great job.

Protectionist is right. The last thing we real Floridians need are some shitheads from a Commie State "upnorth" telling us how to run our state.
 
How about leavin' the COASTS to the Commiecrats. We sure don't need PMSachusettes. Who needs the Sea anyway? Maybe the Pig Libs can put floating Windmill farms out there.

Give them the ports and they would cutoff our energy exports to reduce fracking. We ship and receive a lot of overseas goods in this country by ship. As a former truck driver I can testify to that.
 
Is it really possible to divide the US into two countries (based on red and blue leaning). Except the West Coast, the 'blues' in addition to North-East will likely have the parts of Midvest. So, there are three parts which are divided from one another.

It could be fair to have three countries; one for the Independents since they are the majority of our voters. The thing is if we could ever do that, a lot of people would be moving around. We would have a national vote on who gets what side. I'm east so if the vote came out that I had to move west, I would move. Either that or continue living here under liberal rule. Think how awful that would be. I'd rather be dead. All of my friends and most of my family are conservative, so they would be moving with me.
 
They are allowed to be shot at even if they themselves are not armed with anything life threatening?

God bless you always!!!

Holly
you see a mob coming at you.
you've seen on tv the violence from these mobs and the destruction they leave behind on TV. well, some channels.
you've seen the videos of people getting beat up by the protesters and rioters
you've seen people shot during all of these.
you've seen explosives, guns, fire, bats, knives, and almost every from of violence used in the last 8 months.

now again - you see a mob coming at you. you have your kids with you and a mob is coming at your car.

what do you do if you have the ability to protect yourself?
 
^^^ Say no more. I already get it.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Of course when its one person versus a mountain worth of people, that one person has every right to do what they can to defend themselves, but when its just one person versus another, unless they are physically disabled in any way, then what?
 
^^^ Say no more. I already get it.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Of course when its one person versus a mountain worth of people, that one person has every right to do what they can to defend themselves, but when its just one person versus another, unless they are physically disabled in any way, then what?
my basic attitude is if someone is going to pick a fight with me, they don't get to pick how i choose to fight it. to be safe, stop picking fights with people and demanding YOUR WAY OR ELSE. (not you - them) :)
 
They are allowed to be shot at even if they themselves are not armed with anything life threatening?

God bless you always!!!

Holly
Some folks can kill you with their bare hands or feet.
Any able bodied person on earth can do it. A 13 year old child can beat an adult to death under the right circumstances.
I always silently laughed the the tough guy newbies at the prison who claimed they would rather get hands on with the convicts instead of use pepper spray. Most of those guys were fat, overweight morons who had no clue. I actually saw a convict take on four other convicts and beat them all.
 
Wow, so much for the idea of creeping towards authoritarianism by the right, it’s a straight out run.
 
Wow, so much for the idea of creeping towards authoritarianism by the right, it’s a straight out run.

I must not know what authoritarianism is, because I never thought that creating a law to deter crime would be considered authoritarian.
 
God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. Of course when its one person versus a mountain worth of people, that one person has every right to do what they can to defend themselves, but when its just one person versus another, unless they are physically disabled in any way, then what?

If two people are in a bar, get into an argument and end up outside for an agreed to fight, then no, you agreed to fight and take your loss like a man. But when one wants to use violence against another who does not want to use violence, that's an attack.

25 years ago if somebody attacked me, I would not have used a deadly weapon if they didn't have one. I was 35 years old, worked out with weights and a good build, a blackbelt, 6'3 and 240 lbs. Today I'm on disability and my conditions preclude me from being able to do much without taking physical risks. If I get attacked today by somebody much younger and stronger than I am, I'm shooting the son of a bitch.
 
Is it really possible to divide the US into two countries (based on red and blue leaning). Except the West Coast, the 'blues' in addition to North-East will likely have the parts of Midvest. So, there are three parts which are divided from one another.

It could be fair to have three countries; one for the Independents since they are the majority of our voters. The thing is if we could ever do that, a lot of people would be moving around. We would have a national vote on who gets what side. I'm east so if the vote came out that I had to move west, I would move. Either that or continue living here under liberal rule. Think how awful that would be. I'd rather be dead. All of my friends and most of my family are conservative, so they would be moving with me.
Wouldn't it be more practical not to divide the US, but to make a confederation out of it? To curb the power of the central government severely and to give it to the States. There will be common currency, trading and travelling area, defence and foreign policy, but all domestic issues the States will decide themselves.

Are you from Cleveland, that one in Ohio? I wouldn't assume that Ohio is too liberal state. Have you ever consider to move to more conservative one? I have read that Indiana fits this definition. Not too far away from you.
 
Of course when its one person versus a mountain worth of people, that one person has every right to do what they can to defend themselves, but when its just one person versus another, unless they are physically disabled in any way, then what?
my basic attitude is if someone is going to pick a fight with me, they don't get to pick how i choose to fight it. to be safe, stop picking fights with people and demanding YOUR WAY OR ELSE. (not you - them) :)
Actually in a way they do get to pick how you choose to fight by whatever it is that they decide to do first. The only question for them would be this one: How far are they willing to go with this?

Of course when its one person versus a mountain worth of people, that one person has every right to do what they can to defend themselves, but when its just one person versus another, unless they are physically disabled in any way, then what?
If two people are in a bar, get into an argument and end up outside for an agreed to fight, then no, you agreed to fight and take your loss like a man. But when one wants to use violence against another who does not want to use violence, that's an attack.

25 years ago if somebody attacked me, I would not have used a deadly weapon if they didn't have one. I was 35 years old, worked out with weights and a good build, a blackbelt, 6'3 and 240 lbs. Today I'm on disability and my conditions preclude me from being able to do much without taking physical risks. If I get attacked today by somebody much younger and stronger than I am, I'm shooting the son of a bitch.
And in my opinion for whatever it is worth, you would be well within your rights.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly
 
Of course when its one person versus a mountain worth of people, that one person has every right to do what they can to defend themselves, but when its just one person versus another, unless they are physically disabled in any way, then what?
my basic attitude is if someone is going to pick a fight with me, they don't get to pick how i choose to fight it. to be safe, stop picking fights with people and demanding YOUR WAY OR ELSE. (not you - them) :)
Actually in a way they do get to pick how you choose to fight by whatever it is that they decide to do first. The only question for them would be this one: How far are they willing to go with this?

Of course when its one person versus a mountain worth of people, that one person has every right to do what they can to defend themselves, but when its just one person versus another, unless they are physically disabled in any way, then what?
If two people are in a bar, get into an argument and end up outside for an agreed to fight, then no, you agreed to fight and take your loss like a man. But when one wants to use violence against another who does not want to use violence, that's an attack.

25 years ago if somebody attacked me, I would not have used a deadly weapon if they didn't have one. I was 35 years old, worked out with weights and a good build, a blackbelt, 6'3 and 240 lbs. Today I'm on disability and my conditions preclude me from being able to do much without taking physical risks. If I get attacked today by somebody much younger and stronger than I am, I'm shooting the son of a bitch.
And in my opinion for whatever it is worth, you would be well within your rights.

God bless you two always!!!

Holly
5he question should be, how far is, the person they are trying to fight willing to go?

:)
 
Wouldn't it be more practical not to divide the US, but to make a confederation out of it? To curb the power of the central government severely and to give it to the States. There will be common currency, trading and travelling area, defence and foreign policy, but all domestic issues the States will decide themselves.

Are you from Cleveland, that one in Ohio? I wouldn't assume that Ohio is too liberal state. Have you ever consider to move to more conservative one? I have read that Indiana fits this definition. Not too far away from you.

Technically Ohio is purple, but our state government has been in the hands of Republicans for quite a long time. We have a Republican Governor, he's pretty much a RINO, but not as bad as Kasich.

Your idea about state governments was how our founders designed this country. Every state was to operate like their own country and only convene with other states on federal matters. As time went on and we allowed politicians to make us more dependent on the federal government, we lost our individuality.

The Democrats are not for less power, they are for more power and control over our lives. The Republicans want smaller government but can never seem to achieve that with our bureaucracies and resistance from the left.

Here is the problem: the Democrat party keeps going more and more left. They are worse today than they were 10 years ago, and much worse than 20 years ago. There is no middle ground any longer. They went from Democrats to liberals, from liberals to progressives, from progressives to Socialist/ Democrat whatever the hell that is. They are going to keep pushing until they are plain Socialists, then Socialists/ Communists, and finally full fledged Communist.

If you ever want to look at something interesting, go to the US Communist Party website. Look at their issues and goals. You will find very few differences between their agenda and the Democrats.

Our idea is to divide the country so we can at least save half of it for future generations. If we don't do that, we will lose the entire thing. The Communists said many years ago they would takeover the United States, but do so without one bullet being fired. They will takeover from within, and we are witness to that today.
 
Wow, so much for the idea of creeping towards authoritarianism by the right, it’s a straight out run.
Wouldn't it be more practical not to divide the US, but to make a confederation out of it? To curb the power of the central government severely and to give it to the States. There will be common currency, trading and travelling area, defence and foreign policy, but all domestic issues the States will decide themselves.

Are you from Cleveland, that one in Ohio? I wouldn't assume that Ohio is too liberal state. Have you ever consider to move to more conservative one? I have read that Indiana fits this definition. Not too far away from you.

Technically Ohio is purple, but our state government has been in the hands of Republicans for quite a long time. We have a Republican Governor, he's pretty much a RINO, but not as bad as Kasich.

Your idea about state governments was how our founders designed this country. Every state was to operate like their own country and only convene with other states on federal matters. As time went on and we allowed politicians to make us more dependent on the federal government, we lost our individuality.

The Democrats are not for less power, they are for more power and control over our lives. The Republicans want smaller government but can never seem to achieve that with our bureaucracies and resistance from the left.

Here is the problem: the Democrat party keeps going more and more left. They are worse today than they were 10 years ago, and much worse than 20 years ago. There is no middle ground any longer. They went from Democrats to liberals, from liberals to progressives, from progressives to Socialist/ Democrat whatever the hell that is. They are going to keep pushing until they are plain Socialists, then Socialists/ Communists, and finally full fledged Communist.

If you ever want to look at something interesting, go to the US Communist Party website. Look at their issues and goals. You will find very few differences between their agenda and the Democrats.

Our idea is to divide the country so we can at least save half of it for future generations. If we don't do that, we will lose the entire thing. The Communists said many years ago they would takeover the United States, but do so without one bullet being fired. They will takeover from within, and we are witness to that today.
Your so filled with bullshit it would be funny if it wasn't pitiful.
 
DeSantis political career is over. He's an in-over-his head Trump bootlicker who right now has the virus spinning out of control in his state.
Take this cherry picking crap somewhere else hack.
So a guy from Vermont is gong to tell us Floridians all about what's going to happen in Florida, huh ?

I'm from NH snowflake. You're welcome for the geography lesson.
I have friends and relatives in FL. They are telling me of the incompetent clown show that is Ron DeSantis.
Again, he's all done.


Then the assholes are lying to you. DeSantis is a very popular governor. He is doing a great job.

Protectionist is right. The last thing we real Floridians need are some shitheads from a Commie State "upnorth" telling us how to run our state.
Yeah, why screw with "A guy in Florida..." stupidity.
 
Of course when its one person versus a mountain worth of people, that one person has every right to do what they can to defend themselves, but when its just one person versus another, unless they are physically disabled in any way, then what?
my basic attitude is if someone is going to pick a fight with me, they don't get to pick how i choose to fight it. to be safe, stop picking fights with people and demanding YOUR WAY OR ELSE. (not you - them) :)
Actually in a way they do get to pick how you choose to fight by whatever it is that they decide to do first. The only question for them would be this one: How far are they willing to go with this?
5he question should be, how far is, the person they are trying to fight willing to go?

:)
That is what I was saying in my message pretty much. Each person has a choice. My question is this, whoever it is that makes the first move, what kind of response are they hoping for? In other words, what makes them think that there won't be some form of retaliation at anytime?

God bless you always!!!

Holly
 

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