Florida Gov. drafts bill allowing citizens to shoot looters & rioters

[hadit]

I love our Governor. He has the right set of values. If that BLM and ANTIFA filth brings their terrorism here they are going to get more than they bargained for.

Florida DeSantis moves to allow citizens to shoot looters and rioters

Gov. Ron DeSantis has drafted 'anti-mob' legislation that would expand Florida's Stand Your Ground law. It would allow armed citizens to shoot suspected looters or anyone engaged in rioting.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis 'to allow armed citizens to shoot suspected looters and rioters' who target businesses in an expansion of the state's Stand Your Ground law

• Gov Ron DeSantis drafted 'anti-mob' legislation that would expand Florida's Stand Your Ground law
• It would allow armed citizens to shoot suspected looters or anyone engaged in 'criminal mischief' that disrupts a business
• The proposal came in response to months of protests against police brutality which have sometimes been accompanied by violence and looting
• It would also make it a third-degree felony to block traffic during a protest
• Drivers who claim to have unintentionally killed or injured protesters who block traffic would be immune from prosecution
• DeSantis pledged in September to crack down on 'violent and disorderly assemblies' that occurred after the death of George Floyd killed by a white cop
• His proposal sparked outcry from critics who called it dangerous, unconstitutional and 'clearly political'

Such is the authoritarian right and conservatives’ contempt for the First Amendment; and yet another reprehensible example of Republicans seeking to compel conformity and silence dissent.

Looting and rioting are not first amendment activities. You know that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your so filled with bullshit it would be funny if it wasn't pitiful.

So what do you find as bullshit?

 

[Flash]

I love our Governor. He has the right set of values. If that BLM and ANTIFA filth brings their terrorism here they are going to get more than they bargained for.

Florida DeSantis moves to allow citizens to shoot looters and rioters

Gov. Ron DeSantis has drafted 'anti-mob' legislation that would expand Florida's Stand Your Ground law. It would allow armed citizens to shoot suspected looters or anyone engaged in rioting.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis 'to allow armed citizens to shoot suspected looters and rioters' who target businesses in an expansion of the state's Stand Your Ground law

• Gov Ron DeSantis drafted 'anti-mob' legislation that would expand Florida's Stand Your Ground law
• It would allow armed citizens to shoot suspected looters or anyone engaged in 'criminal mischief' that disrupts a business
• The proposal came in response to months of protests against police brutality which have sometimes been accompanied by violence and looting
• It would also make it a third-degree felony to block traffic during a protest
• Drivers who claim to have unintentionally killed or injured protesters who block traffic would be immune from prosecution
• DeSantis pledged in September to crack down on 'violent and disorderly assemblies' that occurred after the death of George Floyd killed by a white cop
• His proposal sparked outcry from critics who called it dangerous, unconstitutional and 'clearly political'

Such is the authoritarian right and conservatives’ contempt for the First Amendment; and yet another reprehensible example of Republicans seeking to compel conformity and silence dissent.

Looting and rioting are not first amendment activities. You know that.

You have to remember that these asshole Libtards think BLM, ANTIFA, Moon Bats and every ghetto Negro has a right to loot, burn and destroy. You know, for social justice reasons.

 

[ESay]

Wouldn't it be more practical not to divide the US, but to make a confederation out of it? To curb the power of the central government severely and to give it to the States. There will be common currency, trading and travelling area, defence and foreign policy, but all domestic issues the States will decide themselves.

Are you from Cleveland, that one in Ohio? I wouldn't assume that Ohio is too liberal state. Have you ever consider to move to more conservative one? I have read that Indiana fits this definition. Not too far away from you.

Technically Ohio is purple, but our state government has been in the hands of Republicans for quite a long time. We have a Republican Governor, he's pretty much a RINO, but not as bad as Kasich.

Your idea about state governments was how our founders designed this country. Every state was to operate like their own country and only convene with other states on federal matters. As time went on and we allowed politicians to make us more dependent on the federal government, we lost our individuality.

The Democrats are not for less power, they are for more power and control over our lives. The Republicans want smaller government but can never seem to achieve that with our bureaucracies and resistance from the left.

Here is the problem: the Democrat party keeps going more and more left. They are worse today than they were 10 years ago, and much worse than 20 years ago. There is no middle ground any longer. They went from Democrats to liberals, from liberals to progressives, from progressives to Socialist/ Democrat whatever the hell that is. They are going to keep pushing until they are plain Socialists, then Socialists/ Communists, and finally full fledged Communist.

If you ever want to look at something interesting, go to the US Communist Party website. Look at their issues and goals. You will find very few differences between their agenda and the Democrats.

Our idea is to divide the country so we can at least save half of it for future generations. If we don't do that, we will lose the entire thing. The Communists said many years ago they would takeover the United States, but do so without one bullet being fired. They will takeover from within, and we are witness to that today.

The thing is I dont think that American left will ever turn to be full scale Communists or Socialists. There has never been a truly communist country on the earth, and now even China and Vietnam cant be called socialist any more in the full sense of the word.

What the Dems are pushing for is so called social democracy, the way much of Western Europe has chosen.

I understand what you are trying to say - that two opposing social and economic models can't exist in the frame of a single country. But this country would more resemble trading and military bloc, with virtually independent states in internal matters.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The thing is I dont think that American left will ever turn to be full scale Communists or Socialists. There has never been a truly communist country on the earth, and now even China and Vietnam cant be called socialist any more in the full sense of the word.

What the Dems are pushing for is so called social democracy, the way much of Western Europe has chosen.

I understand what you are trying to say - that two opposing social and economic models can't exist in the frame of a single country. But this country would more resemble trading and military bloc, with virtually independent states in internal matters.

Communism and Socialism are subjective. You have people here that claim we already are mostly a Socialist country citing our many social programs and the fact we support physically and mentally capable people who have no desire to get a job and work. No matter how one defines it, both Socialism and Communism is surrendering power and freedom to government.

Our founders feared the day (and the days ahead) this movement would contaminate this wonderful place they created called the USA. This is mostly due to dependency on the federal government.

It's Ray of Cleveland's raccoon theory: You see a hungry raccoon digging in a garbage can. In empathy, you fetch that nice meaty half of ham you were going to throw away at the end of the week anyhow. You give it to the animal and he eats in delight. Now give it about 20 seconds and try to take that hambone away and see what happens.

Politicians, particularly the Democrats have known this theory of mine for generations. They may not use the same exact example, but they knew if you can get people to depend on the federal government, you could control their lives. And this is why it's impossible for states to be like our founders intended.

 

[ESay]

The thing is I dont think that American left will ever turn to be full scale Communists or Socialists. There has never been a truly communist country on the earth, and now even China and Vietnam cant be called socialist any more in the full sense of the word.

What the Dems are pushing for is so called social democracy, the way much of Western Europe has chosen.

I understand what you are trying to say - that two opposing social and economic models can't exist in the frame of a single country. But this country would more resemble trading and military bloc, with virtually independent states in internal matters.

Communism and Socialism are subjective. You have people here that claim we already are mostly a Socialist country citing our many social programs and the fact we support physically and mentally capable people who have no desire to get a job and work. No matter how one defines it, both Socialism and Communism is surrendering power and freedom to government.

Our founders feared the day (and the days ahead) this movement would contaminate this wonderful place they created called the USA. This is mostly due to dependency on the federal government.

It's Ray of Cleveland's raccoon theory: You see a hungry raccoon digging in a garbage can. In empathy, you fetch that nice meaty half of ham you were going to throw away at the end of the week anyhow. You give it to the animal and he eats in delight. Now give it about 20 seconds and try to take that hambone away and see what happens.

Politicians, particularly the Democrats have known this theory of mine for generations. They may not use the same exact example, but they knew if you can get people to depend on the federal government, you could control their lives. And this is why it's impossible for states to be like our founders intended.

The thing is I dont think that American left will ever turn to be full scale Communists or Socialists. There has never been a truly communist country on the earth, and now even China and Vietnam cant be called socialist any more in the full sense of the word.

What the Dems are pushing for is so called social democracy, the way much of Western Europe has chosen.

I understand what you are trying to say - that two opposing social and economic models can't exist in the frame of a single country. But this country would more resemble trading and military bloc, with virtually independent states in internal matters.

Communism and Socialism are subjective. You have people here that claim we already are mostly a Socialist country citing our many social programs and the fact we support physically and mentally capable people who have no desire to get a job and work. No matter how one defines it, both Socialism and Communism is surrendering power and freedom to government.

Our founders feared the day (and the days ahead) this movement would contaminate this wonderful place they created called the USA. This is mostly due to dependency on the federal government.

It's Ray of Cleveland's raccoon theory: You see a hungry raccoon digging in a garbage can. In empathy, you fetch that nice meaty half of ham you were going to throw away at the end of the week anyhow. You give it to the animal and he eats in delight. Now give it about 20 seconds and try to take that hambone away and see what happens.

Politicians, particularly the Democrats have known this theory of mine for generations. They may not use the same exact example, but they knew if you can get people to depend on the federal government, you could control their lives. And this is why it's impossible for states to be like our founders intended.

Well, we will see what happens in the future. I think that in our generation we will witness a deep transformation of the US. And who knows where this will end.

As far as I am aware, in January the Senate elections are due to be held in Georgia and they will have a critical impact on the balance of votes in Senate.

On the one hand, Georgia can give the Republicans the majority in Senate, and Biden will be constrained in his 'reforms'. On the other, the Biden administration alongside with the Dems' majorities in the Congress can give an impulse to conservatives for some real actions. We'll see.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, we will see what happens in the future. I think that in our generation we will witness a deep transformation of the US. And who knows where this will end.

As far as I am aware, in January the Senate elections are due to be held in Georgia and they will have a critical impact on the balance of votes in Senate.

On the one hand, Georgia can give the Republicans the majority in Senate, and Biden will be constrained in his 'reforms'. On the other, the Biden administration alongside with the Dems' majorities in the Congress can give an impulse to conservatives for some real actions. We'll see.

Sadly it will either end in a civil war or a separation of the country; having two countries instead of one. Separating the country is something I support. I know this by watching the progression of the Democrat party. 20 years ago AOC would have never been elected yet alone reelected. Sanders wouldn't have come close to being nominated. I never followed it that closely, but plenty of people believe the only reason Sander's didn't get the nomination is because the Democrat party rigged the election for Hillary to win. So we can see the direction their party continues on.

As for the Senate, the country will be totally screwed if we don't keep that leadership. Increasing taxes on our job producers, getting rid of fracking, destroying the suburbs, opening the border and giving people instant citizenship are all plots to destroy this country. Yes, the Republicans can stop some of it, but not all of it. If they don't have a strong hold of the Senate, we won't be able to stop any of it.