Flashback: John Kerry Predicts The Arctic Will Be "Ice Free" By 2014 (This Is From June 25, 2009)

[LordBrownTrout]

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then...

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We're but a pinprick. Glowarm has occurred many many many times in geological cycles.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

I have a slightly different take... humans are affecting climate but not because of the GHG effect of CO2 - which is over exaggerated due to flawed models which more than triple the GHG effect of CO2 through nebulous claims of net positive feedback - but because of deforestation and urbanization which affect albedo. But there's no money to be made off of that because no one has the stomach to swallow that medicine or the courage to speak out about it. So instead they preach to western industrialized nations about the evils of CO2 when their emissions have been declining for almost two decades and ignore where the real growth of carbon emissions are occurring; developing and emerging countries with low per capita carbon emissions. There's way too much bias and emotion in the climate science community which is clouding their ability to be objective.

your bias and emotions are showing

so it's about western civilizations being blamed?

 

[Dante Reawakened]

We're but a pinprick. Glowarm has occurred many many many times in geological cycles.

quote: The Dunning-Kruger effect effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence. By contrast, this effect also causes those who excel in a given area to think the task is simple for everyone, and underestimate their relative abilities as well.

 

[Sunsettommy]

the problems isn't just your failure to comprehend anything. It's also your willful ignorance, guided by hatred and anger (lonely meaningless life?), towards others you view as enemies for some reason

now, lesson 1:
question): What does an ice free summer mean?

answer): Scientists have various ways of defining what “ice free” actually means, but the most common definition refers to a point at which Arctic sea ice cover at the end of summer falls to below one million square kilometres.

then there is this: try and comprehend what you read here, and try not to inject your own misguided and ignoramt thoughts: Arctic summer sea ice could be gone by as early as 2035

Dante, the arctic region has already gone through periods of little to ZERO summer ice and here we are today with a lot of Polar Bears and increasing life biota in the Arctic waters today.

Now the arctic ice cover decline stopped after 2007 still above the 3.5 million sq. miles level.

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You need to catch on published science papers and reports.

Little to no Summer ice in the Arctic

LINK

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Warmist/alarmists have been wrong repeatedly showing IN THEIR OWN WORDS their idiotic predictions.

Ice-Free Arctic Forecasts​

LINK

 

[Sunsettommy]

quote:

What does an ice free summer mean?


Scientists have various ways of defining what “ice free” actually means, but the most common definition refers to a point at which Arctic sea ice cover at the end of summer falls to below one million square kilometres.

Rational people would understand the phrase "Ice Free" means ZERO ice.

 

[Sunsettommy]

no one disputes that.

Its the human contribution that was lacking before. Conflating natural events with this shit leaves you stinking

No, the rise is very slow and far less than long periods of time when it was rising rapidly yet here, we are today.

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The Holocene Sea Level Highstand​

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Sea level was actually declining up to about 1860 when it started going back up.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Rational people would understand the phrase "Ice Free" means ZERO ice.

nope. Ignorant ones would

The phrase used was "ice free, arctic summer' -- it being in discussion of what Kerry said 'scientists predict': makes it a scientific definition, of what scientists mean by the phrase "ice free, arctic summer'

The fact that people like you have such trouble with comprehension is beside the point. Kerry was not stating scientists predict the arctic will have zero ice that summer

 

[Dante Reawakened]

No, the rise is very slow and far less than long periods of time when it was rising rapidly yet here, we are today.

LINK

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The Holocene Sea Level Highstand​

LINK

Sea level was actually declining up to about 1860 when it started going back up.

again:

The Dunning-Kruger effect effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

again:

The Dunning-Kruger effect effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence.

all you do is take things out of fuller contexts -- posit them as premises, in order to back up a conclusion you've already held to be true

you have conclusions in search of premises

 

[Sunsettommy]

This is a single Greenland ice core. This is a temperature history of a single spot in Greenland. Big fucking whoop.

You wrote this I had responded to:

I think the study, discussed in another thread, that showed no Antarctic sea ice shelf for any period with CO2 above 400 ppm, at the very least suggests no Arctic sea ice either.

bolding mine

It never got above 300 ppm level you stated 400 ppm a big difference stop trying to lie your way out if this!

 

[Sunsettommy]

again:

The Dunning-Kruger effect effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence.

I posted actual science chart with source and your come back with nothing,

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Dante, the arctic region has already gone through periods of little to ZERO summer ice and here we are today with a lot of Polar Bears and increasing life biota in the Arctic waters today.

Now the arctic ice cover decline stopped after 2007 still above the 3.5 million sq. miles level.

LINK

===

You need to catch on published science papers and reports.

Little to no Summer ice in the Arctic

LINK

===

Warmist/alarmists have been wrong repeatedly showing IN THEIR OWN WORDS their idiotic predictions.

Ice-Free Arctic Forecasts​

LINK

I'll go with experts in their fields, over Keyboard Scientists any day

 

[Sunsettommy]

I'll defer to experts in the field of climate change

You don't know.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

I posted actual science chart with source and your come back with nothing,

you're arguing against the scientific community. You're not arguing with me. You can take anything out of context and build an argument around that.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I'll go with experts in their fields, over Keyboard Scientists any day

I posted the link to several published science papers and a report from Meier who is a prominent scientist on Sea ice.

Your prejudice is preventing you from learning that is why you post empty posts.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

You don't know.

The charts and links you post to are parts of the science. If you agree with the science shown in the charts, but disagree with the conclusions of the people who are responsible for the science behind those charts? What does that say about your arguments and you?

 

[Sunsettommy]

you're arguing against the scientific community. You're not arguing with me. You can take anything out of context and build an argument around that.

You show no evidence that I take anything out of context.

You are laughable at this.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

The charts and links you post to are parts of the science. If you agree with the science shown in the charts, but disagree with the conclusions of the people who are responsible for the science behind those charts? What does that say about your arguments and you?

here's a scientific update:

An Updated Assessment of the Changing Arctic Sea Ice Cover | Oceanography

tos.org

 

[Sunsettommy]

The charts and links you post to are parts of the science. If you agree with the science shown in the charts, but disagree with the conclusions of the people who are responsible for the science behind those charts? What does that say about your arguments and you?

You are just babbling since you never actually looked in the links I posted some are straight from what the scientists themselves states.

You have NO argument at all, just deflect, deflect and more deflections.

 

[Sunsettommy]

here's a scientific update:

An Updated Assessment of the Changing Arctic Sea Ice Cover | Oceanography

tos.org

I have seen many papers never disputed the ice declines you idiot as I made clear just a bit ago, but that chart and link you ignored are from SII and Masie showing the decline stopped after 2007 which is OBVIOUS from the data.