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OK Section 8 authorizes UNIFORM taxes - which Article section clause authorizes GRADUATED TAXES -

Which Article section clause authorizes congress to EXEMPT certain Americans from excise taxation?!?!?!?!?!?


In Liberty,

Contumacious H. Freeman

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My understanding is that by uniform they meant that all states would be taxed the same. But of course I could be wrong. Please feel free to research it and let us know.

It actually was nice to see someone from the right that did some research even if I wasn't sure where you were going with it. For that I commend you.

BTW I'm probably the wrong person to ask about taxes, I'm probably more confused that most of the people here.

:lol::lol::lol: says the one posting all the graphs and swearing they be true. :lol:

How interesting. So you think that if someone knows about something, they must know about everything? This really interests me. Do you think that someone should never admit they don't know something? I learn something new everyday. Does that make what I learned suspect? This really is an interesting look at how you think.

I didn't make the graphs up, but I trust the source. I have also said if the right can come up with data that refutes the numbers I've put up I would love to see it. The problem is rather then deal with what is true, you all have put it into your mythology even though it isn't true. So go ahead and laugh. Heaven knows you all have given me plenty of laughs today.
 
so what?

if you are dissatisfied with your station in life, income etc. then, have at it- education, ambition and motivation.

the world is your oyster.

So what?

I'm tired of socialism for the rich.
I'm tired of paying for corporations to build war machines to persecute wars against people that did nothing to us.
I'm tired of the rich deciding the outcomes of US elections via court appointments and unlimited funding.

That was never the way the founding fathers intended it. In fact they fought tooth and nail against that very outcome.

I'm tired of paying for corporations to build war machines to persecute wars against people that did nothing to us.

sing it brother!!

‪Black Sabbath - War Pigs‬‏ - YouTube


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Good song.

You should take the lyrics to heart.
 
My understanding is that by uniform they meant that all states would be taxed the same. But of course I could be wrong. Please feel free to research it and let us know.

It actually was nice to see someone from the right that did some research even if I wasn't sure where you were going with it. For that I commend you.

BTW I'm probably the wrong person to ask about taxes, I'm probably more confused that most of the people here.

:lol::lol::lol: says the one posting all the graphs and swearing they be true. :lol:

How interesting. So you think that if someone knows about something, they must know about everything? This really interests me. Do you think that someone should never admit they don't know something? I learn something new everyday. Does that make what I learned suspect? This really is an interesting look at how you think.

I didn't make the graphs up, but I trust the source. I have also said if the right can come up with data that refutes the numbers I've put up I would love to see it. The problem is rather then deal with what is true, you all have put it into your mythology even though it isn't true. So go ahead and laugh. Heaven knows you all have given me plenty of laughs today.

CARPE DIEM: U.S. Has Most Progressive Tax System for OECD-24


I for one don't trust the CBO.. all they do is regurgitate the shit the dimocrats tell them to regurgitate,, and before you squeal like a stuck pig it'll be that way when the Republicans are in power too.
 
The problem for the country right now is how do we get money that is being hoarded by individuls, banks, companies and corporations back into circulation allowing it to be spent, creating a demand for goods and services therefore creating a demand for jobs to produce those goods and services. As more and more money is being sucked out of society and hoarded, the closer to economic death the US comes.
 
The problem for the country right now is how do we get money that is being hoarded by individuls, banks, companies and corporations back into circulation allowing it to be spent, creating a demand for goods and services therefore creating a demand for jobs to produce those goods and services. As more and more money is being sucked out of society and hoarded, the closer to economic death the US comes.

write your congressman, write obiedoodle, tell them to create a business friendly enviornment. stop demonizing business and capitalism.. start there.
 
Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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OK Section 8 authorizes UNIFORM taxes - which Article section clause authorizes GRADUATED TAXES -

Which Article section clause authorizes congress to EXEMPT certain Americans from excise taxation?!?!?!?!?!?


In Liberty,

Contumacious H. Freeman

.


My understanding is that by uniform they meant that all states would be taxed the same. But of course I could be wrong. Please feel free to research it and let us know.

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I thought you would never ask:


"The income tax law under consideration is marked by discriminating features which affect the whole law. It discriminates between those who receive an income of $4,000 and those who do not. It thus vitiates, in my judgment, by this arbitrary discrimination, the whole legislation. Hamilton says in one of his papers (the Continentalist): 'The genius of liberty reprobates everything arbitrary or discretionary in taxation. It exacts that every man, by a definite and general rule, should know what proportion of his property the state demands; whatever liberty we may boast of in theory, it cannot exist in fact while [arbitrary] assessments continue.' 1 Hamilton's Works (Ed. 1885) 270. The legislation, in the discrimination it makes, is class legislation. Whenever a distinction is made in the burdens a law imposes or in the benefits it confers on any citizens by reason of their birth, or wealth, or religion, it is class legislation, and leads inevitably to oppression and abuses, and to general unrest and disturbance in society. "


U.S. Supreme Court
POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895)


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The problem for the country right now is how do we get money that is being hoarded by individuls, banks, companies and corporations back into circulation allowing it to be spent, creating a demand for goods and services therefore creating a demand for jobs to produce those goods and services. As more and more money is being sucked out of society and hoarded, the closer to economic death the US comes.

This is a damn good question and sadly one that I think is probably unanswerable.
 
The problem for the country right now is how do we get money that is being hoarded by individuls, banks, companies and corporations back into circulation allowing it to be spent, creating a demand for goods and services therefore creating a demand for jobs to produce those goods and services. As more and more money is being sucked out of society and hoarded, the closer to economic death the US comes.

This is a damn good question and sadly one that I think is probably unanswerable.

Shows are dumb you are
 
OK Section 8 authorizes UNIFORM taxes - which Article section clause authorizes GRADUATED TAXES -

Which Article section clause authorizes congress to EXEMPT certain Americans from excise taxation?!?!?!?!?!?


In Liberty,

Contumacious H. Freeman

.

My understanding is that by uniform they meant that all states would be taxed the same. But of course I could be wrong. Please feel free to research it and let us know.

.

I thought you would never ask:


"The income tax law under consideration is marked by discriminating features which affect the whole law. It discriminates between those who receive an income of $4,000 and those who do not. It thus vitiates, in my judgment, by this arbitrary discrimination, the whole legislation. Hamilton says in one of his papers (the Continentalist): 'The genius of liberty reprobates everything arbitrary or discretionary in taxation. It exacts that every man, by a definite and general rule, should know what proportion of his property the state demands; whatever liberty we may boast of in theory, it cannot exist in fact while [arbitrary] assessments continue.' 1 Hamilton's Works (Ed. 1885) 270. The legislation, in the discrimination it makes, is class legislation. Whenever a distinction is made in the burdens a law imposes or in the benefits it confers on any citizens by reason of their birth, or wealth, or religion, it is class legislation, and leads inevitably to oppression and abuses, and to general unrest and disturbance in society. "


U.S. Supreme Court
POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895)


FindLaw | Cases and Codes

I'm sorry Contumacious, I just don't care enough about a hundred yr old court case that has since been nullified by the 16th amendment to dig in and read all the info on it, and there is plenty of info. It was a 5/4 decision so there are undoubtedly all kinds of things written about it. This is long over and there are things I'm much more interested in.
 
The problem for the country right now is how do we get money that is being hoarded by individuls, banks, companies and corporations back into circulation allowing it to be spent, creating a demand for goods and services therefore creating a demand for jobs to produce those goods and services. As more and more money is being sucked out of society and hoarded, the closer to economic death the US comes.

Businesses aren't hiring or expanding because of the simple economic reality that demand isn't there. It has virtually nothing to do with taxes, regulation, who's in the Whitehouse, blah blah blah.
 
Considering the wealthy and corporations have never had more cash on hand, absolutely bloated, with their lowest tax rates since their bloated 1920's, it's obvious to everyone but brainwashed Pub dupes and the terminally greedy that they should be taxed more, as the country's non-rich and infrastructure are collapsing...pfffft!! TY Pub propaganda machine and cowardly corporate media....
 
My understanding is that by uniform they meant that all states would be taxed the same. But of course I could be wrong. Please feel free to research it and let us know.

.

I thought you would never ask:


"The income tax law under consideration is marked by discriminating features which affect the whole law. It discriminates between those who receive an income of $4,000 and those who do not. It thus vitiates, in my judgment, by this arbitrary discrimination, the whole legislation. Hamilton says in one of his papers (the Continentalist): 'The genius of liberty reprobates everything arbitrary or discretionary in taxation. It exacts that every man, by a definite and general rule, should know what proportion of his property the state demands; whatever liberty we may boast of in theory, it cannot exist in fact while [arbitrary] assessments continue.' 1 Hamilton's Works (Ed. 1885) 270. The legislation, in the discrimination it makes, is class legislation. Whenever a distinction is made in the burdens a law imposes or in the benefits it confers on any citizens by reason of their birth, or wealth, or religion, it is class legislation, and leads inevitably to oppression and abuses, and to general unrest and disturbance in society. "


U.S. Supreme Court
POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895)


FindLaw | Cases and Codes

I'm sorry Contumacious, I just don't care enough about a hundred yr old court case that has since been nullified by the 16th amendment to dig in and read all the info on it, and there is plenty of info. It was a 5/4 decision so there are undoubtedly all kinds of things written about it. This is long over and there are things I'm much more interested in.

Why do you believe that socialism/fascism is/are the answer?

Those parasitic socioeconomic systems will work so long as geese are laying golden eggs.

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Considering the wealthy and corporations have never had more cash on hand, absolutely bloated, with their lowest tax rates since their bloated 1920's, it's obvious to everyone but brainwashed Pub dupes and the terminally greedy that they should be taxed more, as the country's non-rich and infrastructure are collapsing...pfffft!! TY Pub propaganda machine and cowardly corporate media....

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Atlas Shrugged i The book explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by society.

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In the 70s, big business and the wealthy captured the Republican party, and then, eventually, they captured the Democrats ("Blue Dogs"). One of their primary goals was to lower labor costs. They proceeded to ship manufacturing jobs to human-rights-abusing dictatorships in Asia. They effectively cut the working classes out of the loop. They pocketed unprecedented amounts of wealth (while partnering with and thereby making evil countries stronger) - and then they had their own taxes lowered while -- wait for it -- complaining that workers (whose jobs and benefits had been destroyed) didn't pay enough taxes. Brilliant.

(Only a FOX News moron stuck inside the GOP message machine could buy into this)

[PSST: Orwell is rolling over in his grave: In the front of the house the GOP was screaming "Borders, Language, Culture", while in the back of the house they were partnering with Mexico, Communist China, and terrorist petrol states. Please recall Reagan's Amnesty Bill -- the largest amnesty bill ever passed in the united states -- which was done to break organized Labor in California. Reagan -- the father of modern conservatism -- pried open the border to Mexico, while the "Social Conservatives" (who now occupy talk radio and FOX News) fomented a nativist fear of illegals and hatred of communists (the very communists that American capital was partnering with). In the back of the house the GOP destroyed this country's borders in order to give capital greater access to the 3rd world's labor and resources; while in the front of the house they used those very open borders as a political football. How did they do it? Talk Radio and Fox News lied to useful morons. The same GOP hoax happened with oil and terrorism. In the back of the house, the GOP formed deep oil partnerships with Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein, the Shaw, the Taliban, and the Mujahideen, while in the front of the house they scared the morons with evil doer rhetoric - the same evil doers who they were doing business with. Brilliant.

The United States has spent 30 years lowering the wages, benefits, and entitlements of working Americans in order to give capital cheaper operating costs and the wealthy lower taxes. As a consequence, wages have been frozen, while solid jobs have been shipped to sweatshops in evil-doer-countries. The GOP's financial platform is just like Reagan's as Governor of California: partner with the evil doers in the back of the house, while fighting evil doers in the front of the house.

Oh yeah, my point. If you want the people who don't pay taxes to contribute, you have to restore their jobs, wages, and benefits. People who work for the country's largest employer -- Walmart -- are living in urban slums. They are part of an underemployed temp workforce which cannot afford routine dental work. [And you think you're gonna get taxes from the toothless hordes?]

The main problem with the GOP "cheap labor revolution" in America is that by lowering wages, they effectively "fired" consumers and taxpayers. If the wealthy make most of the money, they shouldn't be surprised to pay most of the taxes

(But they don't really pay as much taxes as is popularly claimed - and everybody but FOX News viewers knows this)

The average middle class worker pays higher taxes than the wealthy -- who only pay %15 on capital gains.

First you drive down the wages of workers, so they don't have enough money to survive, raise a family, or go to college (like they did during the postwar years when the liberals were in charge and more Americans had upward mobility). Then you give tax breaks to the only people actually making real money.

(and then you complain that poor people -- whose wages and benefits you've cut -- don't pay taxes)

(wow, just wow)
 
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Because our Federal elected reps. have failed to create rules and regs to properly deal with the situation of societys money ending up hoarded by just a few, the problem has been dealt with improperly. We tried to borrow money and use as a stimulus but that money was quickly sucked out of society and hoarded. Same with newly printed money. HOW DOES OUR SOCIETY KEEP ENOUGH MONEY CONTINOUSLY CIRCULATING, BEING TAXED, CREATING JOBS, PREVENTING FINANCIAL DISASTER?
 
Considering the wealthy and corporations have never had more cash on hand, absolutely bloated, with their lowest tax rates since their bloated 1920's, it's obvious to everyone but brainwashed Pub dupes and the terminally greedy that they should be taxed more, as the country's non-rich and infrastructure are collapsing...pfffft!! TY Pub propaganda machine and cowardly corporate media....

AtlasShrugged.jpg


Atlas Shrugged i The book explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by society.

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I first read it back in my 20's after it just came out. Then life happened and I didn't reread it until my 40's. I was astounded at how absolutely awful it is. And ode to selfishness. Notice there aren't any children in it? How could there be, people need to take care of children and her people only want to take care of themselves.

I sincerely wish that everyone who likes this book and thinks her philosophy is viable would please go Galt and come back when you've grown up. Believe me, we won't miss you.
 
I thought you would never ask:


"The income tax law under consideration is marked by discriminating features which affect the whole law. It discriminates between those who receive an income of $4,000 and those who do not. It thus vitiates, in my judgment, by this arbitrary discrimination, the whole legislation. Hamilton says in one of his papers (the Continentalist): 'The genius of liberty reprobates everything arbitrary or discretionary in taxation. It exacts that every man, by a definite and general rule, should know what proportion of his property the state demands; whatever liberty we may boast of in theory, it cannot exist in fact while [arbitrary] assessments continue.' 1 Hamilton's Works (Ed. 1885) 270. The legislation, in the discrimination it makes, is class legislation. Whenever a distinction is made in the burdens a law imposes or in the benefits it confers on any citizens by reason of their birth, or wealth, or religion, it is class legislation, and leads inevitably to oppression and abuses, and to general unrest and disturbance in society. "


U.S. Supreme Court
POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895)


FindLaw | Cases and Codes

I'm sorry Contumacious, I just don't care enough about a hundred yr old court case that has since been nullified by the 16th amendment to dig in and read all the info on it, and there is plenty of info. It was a 5/4 decision so there are undoubtedly all kinds of things written about it. This is long over and there are things I'm much more interested in.

Why do you believe that socialism/fascism is/are the answer?

Those parasitic socioeconomic systems will work so long as geese are laying golden eggs.

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I can tell you are really sincere, but you know, most people aren't tied into any weird ideologies. I thank God every day I didn't have to live under Mussolini or Hitler, both fascists. Why would any thinking American consider this an answer? And a better question is...why would you think they do?

But I think if you really look at our constitution we have had partial socialism from the very beginning. We banded together to build roads and the post office for example. We tax each other to pay for parks, cops, fire fighters and such. I'm fine with these and probably some others I didn't think of at the moment. So, when the socialist tag is being thrown around I have to laugh. It's obvious to me that the person using it, thinking it is an insult is just uneducated.

Don't you think it's possible that some Americans (like me) just want our country to be the best it can be and wouldn't dream of trying to change much about it.

If you really want to read something interesting, read about the country from about 1900 to WWII. I think it is a miracle that communism didn't make any inroads. It was actually a time of hunger and there were really commies that believed. Remember this was before we knew for certain that communism was a failed doctrine. People really believed but in the long run, our people decided they liked the government we already had. I found the whole story fascinating. And why I don't get upset by the idiots throwing around the commie label. Just more uneducated people IMO.

And btw, if the parasitic socioeconomic systems didn't work before, why are you afraid of them now?
 

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