First SNAP Ban on Candy and Soda Set To Become Law

[toobfreak]

Paternalistic actions implemented against a class of people solely because of their financial status.
It takes a little piece of the poor person's freedom away..and creates a subtle social difference.
Choice is freedom...and it is not up to the Govt. to police people's food purchases.

Well stated! I do not think I have ever agreed with you before, but you nailed it exactly.

IMO, if a person qualifies for $200 worth of public assistance, that should mean they are free to use it however they best see fit. The government sets aside a certain amount of money just for that purpose.

I know, it is very tempting to want to say that if a person needs public assistance, then they should only spend it on things which others deem "essential," but in a society based on freedom, liberty, individual rights and self-determination, each individual must be free to make that decision for themselves as what is important to one person isn't important to another.

As such, if you need to use that money to put towards candy, pop, cigarettes or liquor, or something to eat hot or cold, cooked or fresh, that should be YOUR CHOICE.

Either way, it is no skin off anyone else's nose as $200 is still $200.

I've heard horror stories in CA and NY what people go through just trying to buy and carry a gun--- I do not wish that kind of unamerican statism to get worse nor spread to other states much less my own. I'm an avowed allodial citizen and I have a real problem with others trying to impose on my individual liberty.

I guess I just wouldn't make a good European or Canadian.

 

[Lisa558]

Those pennies add up to a government food allowance that almost guarantees obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, dental problems, and God only knows what else.

And then, because they’re on Medicaid, we have to pay to treat all that as well.

 

[MisterBeale]

True, but TANF is what is classically known as welfare.

Again, that's not true.

Unemployment and AFDC are classically known as welfare.

. . . and unemployment is largely funded by the corporations and businesses that do the employing.

". . . Wisconsin in 1932, and the federal Social Security Act of 1935 created programs nationwide that are administered by state governments. The constitutionality of the program was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1937.

Each of the 50 U.S. states, as well as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands, administer their own unemployment insurance programs. Benefits are generally paid by state governments, funded in large part by state and federal payroll taxes levied on employers, to workers who have become unemployed through no fault of their own. . . "

Unemployment insurance in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TEMPORARY assistance to needy families, (TANF,) is a program designed for emergencies to poor families, and is usually a one time shot.

Like to cover a new furnace when the alcoholic head of the household spends all family resources on booze and drugs.

 

[tahuyaman]

Why? Why stop there? We all use services paid for by taxpayers. So why let ANYONE purchase anything which is in any way unhealthy?

Also, tell me how you measure the unhealthiness of a few candy bars, snacks, or cans of pop a week? When do they become unhealthy? How? And if they are so bad, why were they ever allowed on the market in the first place for anyone?

Do please let us know when you switch to eating nothing but berries and green leafy vegetable for every meal three times a day and drinking nothing but spring water. I mean, not only is that healthy, but it is all you really need to stay alive.

I just love how people here are so anxious to take away self-determination from people for no good reason and place it in the hands of bureaucrats who don't know the first thing about what you want, need or like nor how you even use them.

This tells me that sooner or later, this country will fall to total statism.

If your subsistence is provided by the taxpayer, it’s not inappropriate to exclude non staples.

 

[Rawley]

USDA will reject it. They don't give a shit about health.

We'll see. Seems Secretary Rollins and Secretary Kennedy are working together on that.

RFK Jr. could take aim at the food industry with coming dietary guidelines

HHS Secretary Kennedy says updated dietary guidelines will prioritize public health over special interests

qz.com

 

[OldFlame]

....

I know, it is very tempting to want to say that if a person needs public assistance, then they should only spend it on things which other deem "essential," but in a society based on freedom, liberty, individual rights and self-determination, each individual must be free to make that decision for themselves as what is important to one person isn't important to another.

...

That's just pure bullshit, if you believe in those principles, then I have a right to not provide the money that I worked hard for so others can sit on their asses all day, or decide to throw their lives away on drugs. There is nothing 'free', 'individual', or 'self-determining' about having my money forcefully taken away from me in order for someone else to use it to live on. As a matter of fact, it is the complete antithesis of everything you just said.

 

[tahuyaman]

Again, that's not true.

Unemployment and AFDC are classically known as welfare.

. . . and unemployment is largely funded by the corporations and businesses that do the employing.

". . . Wisconsin in 1932, and the federal Social Security Act of 1935 created programs nationwide that are administered by state governments. The constitutionality of the program was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1937.

Each of the 50 U.S. states, as well as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands, administer their own unemployment insurance programs. Benefits are generally paid by state governments, funded in large part by state and federal payroll taxes levied on employers, to workers who have become unemployed through no fault of their own. . . "

Unemployment insurance in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TEMPORARY assistance to needy families, (TANF,) is a program designed for emergencies to poor families, and is usually a one time shot.

Like to cover a new furnace when the alcoholic head of the household spends all family resources on booze and drugs.

TANF is a form of welfare. Only its intended to be temporary.

 

[Lisa558]

Again, that's not true.

Unemployment and AFDC are classically known as welfare.

. . . and unemployment is largely funded by the corporations and businesses that do the employing.

". . . Wisconsin in 1932, and the federal Social Security Act of 1935 created programs nationwide that are administered by state governments. The constitutionality of the program was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1937.

Each of the 50 U.S. states, as well as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands, administer their own unemployment insurance programs. Benefits are generally paid by state governments, funded in large part by state and federal payroll taxes levied on employers, to workers who have become unemployed through no fault of their own. . . "

Unemployment insurance in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TEMPORARY assistance to needy families, (TANF,) is a program designed for emergencies to poor families, and is usually a one time shot.

Like to cover a new furnace when the alcoholic head of the household spends all family resources on booze and drugs.

It’s not a one-time shot. It pays out for up to 60 months, and depending on the size of the family, as much as $1000 a month. That is addition to the free food, free health care, and subsidized housing.

They can buy their own damn sodas if they want them.

 

[Lisa558]

TANF is a form of welfare. Only its intended to be temporary.

As I pointed out above, the payments can go for 60 months.

 

[Woodznutz]

Why don't you say that to the top 1% rich? They are the ones taking the most from others and giving it to themselves. Candy and soda are not largesse. Yachts and summer residences are.

Yachts and summer homes are durable assets that provide jobs for skilled workers.

 

[IM2]

Those pennies add up to a government food allowance that almost guarantees obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, and God only knows what else, which thanks to our largess means we also be paying those medical bills.

I pay the same two pennies and people have the freedom to eat what they want. You aren't paying for anything more than I am, so stop pretending your tax money is so much more important than everyone else's. You pay more money to give to those who have enough money to pay taxes nd still be rich, but like the mark you are, you fall for the bait they throw out about the poor.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Requiring that the poor feed their children properly with tax-payer donated food, is NOT a punishment.

For many? I can see how discouraging entitled behavior IS a punishment though. . . .

Excellent Wonka meme.

 

[IM2]

Yachts and summer homes are tangible assets that provide jobs for skilled workers. Candy and soda are quickly pissed away and result in only providing jobs in the medical industry.

Candy and soda also create jobs. Stop making excuses.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Again, that's not true.

Unemployment and AFDC are classically known as welfare.

. . . and unemployment is largely funded by the corporations and businesses that do the employing.

". . . Wisconsin in 1932, and the federal Social Security Act of 1935 created programs nationwide that are administered by state governments. The constitutionality of the program was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1937.

Each of the 50 U.S. states, as well as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands, administer their own unemployment insurance programs. Benefits are generally paid by state governments, funded in large part by state and federal payroll taxes levied on employers, to workers who have become unemployed through no fault of their own. . . "

Unemployment insurance in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

TEMPORARY assistance to needy families, (TANF,) is a program designed for emergencies to poor families, and is usually a one time shot.

Like to cover a new furnace when the alcoholic head of the household spends all family resources on booze and drugs.

Unemployment has NEVER been considered welfare. I have been unemployed several times and everything I received came from my state. I have received unemployment from 3 states. Usually for a few months at a time.

We haven't even discussed AFDC, which is a longer-term form of TANF.

 

[OldFlame]

I pay the same two pennies and people have the freedom to eat what they want. You aren't paying for anything more than I am, so stop pretending your tax money is so much more important than everyone else's. You pay more money to give to those who have enough money to pay taxes nd still be rich, but like the mark you are, you fall for the bait they throw out about the poor.

How do you know you paid the same thing he/she did? What was your federal tax bill for 2024?

 

[Woodznutz]

The USDA is run by a Republican and a farmer.

News at eleven.

 

[IM2]

"Requiring that the poor feed their children properly with tax-payer donated food, is NOT a punishment."

This is one of the most retarded comments ever made here.

 

[MisterBeale]

TANF is a form of welfare. Only its intended to be temporary.

Of course.

But the admiral and I were having a disagreement as to what society TRADITIONALLY considered. . . "welfare."

. . . the classic term which the administration of FDR started, was AFDC.

TANF was not even started till 1997.

You telling me no one in this nation used the term, "welfare," to describe goberment payments till '97?

Aid to Families with Dependent Children - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[toobfreak]

The question isn't whether anyone should be allowed to smoke or drink, but what the taxpayers should be paying for.

So in other words, by your line of thinking, it really IS about whether anyone should be allowed to smoke or drink! And at first opportunity, you can't wait to give up that individual choice and turn it over to the state so long as it is someone else and NOT YOURSELF.

As to what taxpayers are paying for, they are paying for /public assistance./ The assistance is the money allotted, and that does not change regardless of how the money is spent, so long as it is legal. So, no taxpayer is paying for candy bars or pop, they are paying for the monetary assistance.

Used to be that you had to commit a crime to justify taking away a person's freedom and rights. Interesting how some people now are willing to justify doing so to people who've done nothing wrong other than run into some misfortune.

The measure of a society is not what people do when it is easy or folks are looking, but by how that society treats people when it isn't so easy and no one is watching.

Bottom line: the rationalization that just because a person becomes a ward of the state, the state has the right to discriminate against them and lord it over them taking their liberty away. Truth is that we are all the recipient of taxpayer-funded government services.

Maybe you don't mind the government running your life but I do. I want the government out of my life as much as possible.

 

[Woodznutz]

Candy and soda also create jobs. Stop making excuses.

Candy and soda don't create lasting wealth. All the effort is wasted if it just makes people sick. The corn used to sweeten those drinks could be used to fatten up some livestock. We need the protein, and the earth needs the manure.