Finland Study: Not enough Lithium & Cobalt in world to replace every EV battery every ten years

[theHawk]

The Green Hoax is falling apart more and more everyday.

https://tupa.gtk.fi/raportti/arkisto/42_2021.pdf

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UK says it would cost 500,000 pounds from every household to achieve “Net Zero”.

Nearly £500,000 From Every U.K. Household to Pay for Net Zero – The Daily Sceptic

It's clear that the citizenry has no idea of the scale of the task to achieve Net Zero in 30 years – estimated at £100,000 per household, £450,000 if developed nations have to pay for the rest of the world as well.

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Total nonsense and pie in the sky fantasies by the radical left.

We would have to drastically increase electric power generation as well, which there is no plan for.

 

[theHawk]

It seems the radical left want to outlaw gas vehicles, so we’d all have EVs within a decade, then they would run out of batteries so we’d have nothing at that point. Is that their end goal? Take away our freedom to have vehicles?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It's a fool's errand.

 

[Lastamender]

It's a fool's errand.

We are never going to run out of fools.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Well, I guess neither the OP nor their link takes into account the fact that both cobalt and lithium can be recycled, and the tech for doing so is getting better year by year.

 

[Votto]

The Green Hoax is falling apart more and more everyday.

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UK says it would cost 500,000 pounds from every household to achieve “Net Zero”.

Nearly £500,000 From Every U.K. Household to Pay for Net Zero – The Daily Sceptic

It's clear that the citizenry has no idea of the scale of the task to achieve Net Zero in 30 years – estimated at £100,000 per household, £450,000 if developed nations have to pay for the rest of the world as well.

dailysceptic.org

Total nonsense and pie in the sky fantasies by the radical left.

We would have to drastically increase electric power generation as well, which there is no plan for.

Like health care, when democrats implement a policy it is not designed to fix a problem, rather, it is designed to fail spectacularly in order to usher in crisis and change we would otherwise object to.

Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of 'emergency'. It was the tactic of Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini. In the collectivist sweep over a dozen minor countries of Europe, it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback. And 'emergency' became the justification of the subsequent steps. This technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement that demagoguery attains.

-Herbert Hoover

 

[SassyIrishLass]

We are never going to run out of fools.

No seriously, there's not enough lithium, the grid can't handle it, EV batteries last five, six years at best.

What dumbass thinks this is viable?

 

[1srelluc]

Ten years? No worries, they will have all caught afire by then.

 

[ABikerSailor]

No seriously, there's not enough lithium, the grid can't handle it, EV batteries last five, six years at best.

What dumbass thinks this is viable?

If manufacturers of the batteries would have spent time at the beginning to see if they could recycle them, we wouldn't even be talking about this. But, instead of looking into ways to recycle the materials, scientists and technicians instead focused on making them smaller and more efficient, as well as able to hold a longer charge. But, at least, now it's being seen that just developing better battery tech without looking into recycling the materials used to build them was kinda shortsighted. Yes, the difficulty and expense of recycling at first was thought to be not efficient, but now, it's starting to look like a viable business model, and now, scientists and technicians are starting to look into ways to recycle and reuse the batteries. As time goes on, the tech will only get better, and soon, it WILL be efficient as well as profitable to recycle the batteries.

https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-recycling-lithium/97/i28

 

[SassyIrishLass]

If manufacturers of the batteries would have spent time at the beginning to see if they could recycle them, we wouldn't even be talking about this. But, instead of looking into ways to recycle the materials, scientists and technicians instead focused on making them smaller and more efficient, as well as able to hold a longer charge. But, at least, now it's being seen that just developing better battery tech without looking into recycling the materials used to build them was kinda shortsighted. Yes, the difficulty and expense of recycling at first was thought to be not efficient, but now, it's starting to look like a viable business model, and now, scientists and technicians are starting to look into ways to recycle and reuse the batteries. As time goes on, the tech will only get better, and soon, it WILL be efficient as well as profitable to recycle the batteries.

https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-recycling-lithium/97/i28

It's a fool's errand. And another prime example of democrats fcking things up

 

[ABikerSailor]

It seems the radical left want to outlaw gas vehicles, so we’d all have EVs within a decade, then they would run out of batteries so we’d have nothing at that point. Is that their end goal? Take away our freedom to have vehicles?

Nobody wants to outlaw gas vehicles. They just want them to start being used to help curb the emissions that we are currently putting out. And, as the tech becomes better, eventually, electric vehicles WILL replace and be more widely used than gas.

When the automobile first came out, people said they would never replace horses, but look where we are just a little over a hundred years from when that argument was going on.

We also thought that coal was the way to power trains, but, then the tech got better for other sources, which is why gas and diesel are widely used now. Give it a few more years, and the tech for electric will be better than what gas is right now.

 

[ABikerSailor]

It's a fool's errand. And another prime example of democrats fcking things up

If it's such a fool's errand, then why are so many companies and scientists looking at it as a viable business plan? Look at the link in post 9, and you will see that it is now being seriously considered since there is a lot of money to be made doing so. Even though the tech for recycling is still kinda new (they didn't consider it when the batteries first came out), it's looking more and more viable, and will only continue to get better.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

If it's such a fool's errand, then why are so many companies and scientists looking at it as a viable business plan? Look at the link in post 9, and you will see that it is now being seriously considered since there is a lot of money to be made doing so. Even though the tech for recycling is still kinda new (they didn't consider it when the batteries first came out), it's looking more and more viable, and will only continue to get better.

Go buy an EV and hope you can get where you're going, be able to charge it and pray your environmental battery destroying doesn't crap out.

I don't really care

 

[Yarddog]

If manufacturers of the batteries would have spent time at the beginning to see if they could recycle them, we wouldn't even be talking about this. But, instead of looking into ways to recycle the materials, scientists and technicians instead focused on making them smaller and more efficient, as well as able to hold a longer charge. But, at least, now it's being seen that just developing better battery tech without looking into recycling the materials used to build them was kinda shortsighted. Yes, the difficulty and expense of recycling at first was thought to be not efficient, but now, it's starting to look like a viable business model, and now, scientists and technicians are starting to look into ways to recycle and reuse the batteries. As time goes on, the tech will only get better, and soon, it WILL be efficient as well as profitable to recycle the batteries.

https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-recycling-lithium/97/i28

I'm all for future technology and what improvements lies ahead but "starting to look like". is not a solid foundation for politicians to be announcing they want to have us off of fossil fuels in X number of years.
Its reckless when you can see what it does to the economy and the price of oil. These people dont even take into account , the number of items in our life that are derived from the petrolium industry... its not just gas and diesel. The cost of everything will go up even more than it has now if they don't let supply and demand drive the change.

 

[theHawk]

Well, I guess neither the OP nor their link takes into account the fact that both cobalt and lithium can be recycled, and the tech for doing so is getting better year by year.

The Lithium cannot be recycled.

 

[theHawk]

If manufacturers of the batteries would have spent time at the beginning to see if they could recycle them, we wouldn't even be talking about this. But, instead of looking into ways to recycle the materials, scientists and technicians instead focused on making them smaller and more efficient, as well as able to hold a longer charge. But, at least, now it's being seen that just developing better battery tech without looking into recycling the materials used to build them was kinda shortsighted. Yes, the difficulty and expense of recycling at first was thought to be not efficient, but now, it's starting to look like a viable business model, and now, scientists and technicians are starting to look into ways to recycle and reuse the batteries. As time goes on, the tech will only get better, and soon, it WILL be efficient as well as profitable to recycle the batteries.

https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-recycling-lithium/97/i28

Bullshit. The manufacturers are being forced into it and they are being paid by the government to do so.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Green Hoax is falling apart more and more everyday.

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UK says it would cost 500,000 pounds from every household to achieve “Net Zero”.

Nearly £500,000 From Every U.K. Household to Pay for Net Zero – The Daily Sceptic

It's clear that the citizenry has no idea of the scale of the task to achieve Net Zero in 30 years – estimated at £100,000 per household, £450,000 if developed nations have to pay for the rest of the world as well.

dailysceptic.org

Total nonsense and pie in the sky fantasies by the radical left.

We would have to drastically increase electric power generation as well, which there is no plan for.

The Little Green Men Gonna Cry

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Green Hoax is falling apart more and more everyday.

https://tupa.gtk.fi/raportti/arkisto/42_2021.pdf

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UK says it would cost 500,000 pounds from every household to achieve “Net Zero”.

Nearly £500,000 From Every U.K. Household to Pay for Net Zero – The Daily Sceptic

It's clear that the citizenry has no idea of the scale of the task to achieve Net Zero in 30 years – estimated at £100,000 per household, £450,000 if developed nations have to pay for the rest of the world as well.

dailysceptic.org

Total nonsense and pie in the sky fantasies by the radical left.

We would have to drastically increase electric power generation as well, which there is no plan for.

Oh, but now they are going to shift to a titanium-based battery, so everything should be fine, right?

You know, titanium being one of the more abundant resources on earth. Easy to obtain and process.

 

[Mac-7]

Well, I guess neither the OP nor their link takes into account the fact that both cobalt and lithium can be recycled, and the tech for doing so is getting better year by year.

Recycling is not 100% efficient

And libs are planning for gar more batteries in the fiture than we have now

Which is a problem that can be fixed

But not by idiot greenies in california and the EU through mandates

And certainly not on the lib schedule

 

[Ralph Norton]

The Lithium cannot be recycled.

That's what I was thinking (as a non-science person).
If it could, why would the batteries "wear out" in the first place?