How much lithium is needed to replace all internal combustion engines in the world?

[Cardinal Carminative]

I was going to ask you the same ... what do you believe is correct? .

I have a full EV car which I occasionally drive long distances because I can get 300 miles on a full charge. And there are charging stations around.

. have you ever driven an EV or Hybrid on any 3-digit logging roads

I haven't driven ANY car on a dirt logging road.

Are you of the opinion that EVERYONE ON THE PLANET needs a vehicle capable of driving on a dirt logging road?

You've just decimated any rational argument you COULD make now. Moron.

... and if you've lived in the Willamette Valley, you know exactly the roads I'm talking about ... the ones where packing a chainsaw is recommended ...

Go ahead and plug-in, no one's watching ...

LOLOL. You really are a dumbfuck ain't you?

 

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No one asked you, moron.

It's fun pointing it out.

 

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Literally no one cares what a school janitor thinks about ANY of this!

dunning effect

 

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Moron

textbook dunning effect

 

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You really are a dumbfuck ain't you?

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...you guessed it. Dunning effect.

 

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[ReinyDays]

There isn’t enough to replace 10%.

For every car battery, 500,000 pounds of dirt must be moved by diesel heavy equipment.

Lithium is extracted from salt water in South America ...

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Lithium is extracted from salt water in South America ...

Not all of it. Some comes from evaporite deposits like in South America and elsewhere, but some comes from hard-rock (igneous) rock mining. There are a number of Li ores like lepitolite and spodumene.

 

[ReinyDays]

I have a full EV car which I occasionally drive long distances because I can get 300 miles on a full charge.

Very strange answer to my question ... why do you think an EV is bad as a commute vehicle ... 20 to 50 miles a day five days a week ...

I haven't driven ANY car on a dirt logging road.

Ah ... pussy flatlander then ... what a waste ... you're missing some beautiful country by not driving across the forest floor ...

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Very strange answer to my question ... why do you think an EV is bad as a commute vehicle ... 20 to 50 miles a day five days a week ...

I never said it was. In fact I think quite the opposite. Having one I actually know what I'm talking about. Best investment I've made in a while.

Ah ... pussy flatlander then ... what a waste ... you're missing some beautiful country by not driving across the forest floor ...

What a strange response. To be expected I suppose. When your argument requires SO MANY CAVEATS that it is effectively pointless you have to resort to namecalling.

Fine, moron.

Go drive around the woods douchebag. I couldn't care less. But you don't know what you're talking about in general.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Lithium is extracted from salt water in South America ...

Sure. And how much energy consumed to get that .02 parts per million?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The application of intelligence, perhaps even AI.

I can see you lack application of natural intelligence. At present, AI is about as common as an EV battery that doesn't pollute the earth.

You would first have to develop the AI to solve the problem. How many years or decades are you willing to wait?

 

[San Souci]

Another question would be the environmental cost of all that large scale lithium mining, which primarily occurs in developing nations with minimal environmental standards.

Do we also become more dependent on China as they buy up interests in Lithium mines across the entire globe?

And when the batteries wear out? Where do they get DUMPED?

 

[petro]

And when the batteries wear out? Where do they get DUMPED?

Currently recycling really isn't happening.

https://cen.acs.org/materials/energy-storage/time-serious-recycling-lithium/97/i28

As the popularity of electric vehicles starts to grow explosively, so does the pile of spent lithium-ion batteries that once powered those cars. Industry analysts predict that by 2020, China alone will generate some 500,000 metric tons of used Li-ion batteries and that by 2030, the worldwide number will hit 2 million metric tons per year.
If current trends for handling these spent batteries hold, most of those batteries may end up in landfills even though Li-ion batteries can be recycled. These popular power packs contain valuable metals and other materials that can be recovered, processed, and reused. But very little recycling goes on today. In Australia, for example, only 2–3% of Li-ion batteries are collected and sent offshore for recycling, according to Naomi J. Boxall, an environmental scientist at Australia’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO). The recycling rates in the European Union and the US—less than 5%—aren’t much higher.


Most of the batteries that do get recycled undergo a high-temperature melting-and-extraction, or smelting, process similar to ones used in the mining industry. Those operations, which are carried out in large commercial facilities—for example, in Asia, Europe, and Canada—are energy intensive. The plants are also costly to build and operate and require sophisticated equipment to treat harmful emissions generated by the smelting process. And despite the high costs, these plants don’t recover all valuable battery materials.

 

[jc456]

OK
Is there that much lithium in the world?
How long would it take to mine it and turn it into batteries?
How much land will have to be strip mined?
Is there enough power grid to handle charging 200 million cars per day?

There you go

 

[sparky]

Any questions?

great thread for the 'saving the planet' sorts who>>>

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Ding is stuck at "Contradiction". But that's mostly because he only could make it through an associates degree and doesn't know how to use the literature.

Another textbook example of the dunning effect.

Elevate your game.

 

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The planet will be just fine. We aren't that powerful.

Actually it's a great thread that identifies the magnitude of the task.

 

[ReinyDays]

Sure. And how much energy consumed to get that .02 parts per million?

The evaporator pans don't use electricity ...

Edify yourself:

Brine mining - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Weatherman2020]

The evaporator pans don't use electricity ...

Edify yourself:

Brine mining - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Good grief. You really do think the 1/8 pound of lithium just walks out on its own from the pile of salt and puts itself into a jar ready to go into a battery without any energy.

And you think sea water just piles salt up without any energy from humans involved.

Yep. What I expect from the ‘science’ Leftards who can’t even tell what a woman is.