FDR cow towed to Stalin and the Russians.

[The Sage of Main Street]

I thought this was a thread about FDR's cow.....and how he was towed to Stalin....

Red Squirrel in the Center of Ma's Cow

It might as well be, with all these Netwit blind conformists parroting the misinformation the ruling class wants us to believe about World War II and the Cold War.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was Stalin's sock puppet. There was no need for Eastern Europe to fall under Stalin, that was FDR and later Truman "just following orders"

Read the thread first Frank. OP actually sits here and thinks FDR (who was dead then btw) "GAVE" East Germany to the country that had already conquered it.

What a maroon.

He did, you moron.


At the time, Patton understood the tragedy of this event and wrote, “We promised the Europeans freedom. It would be worse than dishonorable not to see that they have it. This might mean war with the Russians, but what of it?”


As with Prague, Patton’s request to secure Berlin was denied. Sadly, after Patton finally reached the ravaged city, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945,” for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed.”




In the end, yes Patton was a genius commander such as are many today within the purged ranks of military leadership but never forget, Roosevelt was ultimately the string puller and hence, Russia got its way and the libtards destroyed the face of the planet for the next 50 years until the dissolution of the Soviet machine."
The Foresight of Patton FrontPage Magazine


FDR followed Stalin's orders to the letter!!!

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, it was our fear of Communism that led to those wars.

LOL!!! Typical you blame US for it, and not the Empire that had a stated ideology of world conquest and sent men and materials to kill our people.

It was an overreaction on our part that cost us 100,000 lives

OUr part? What about them parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe? Does that strike you as a responsible and restrained move?

Neither North Korea or North Vietnam ever parked 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe

YOur cowardly dodge of my point is noted. My point stands.


You give them a pass for parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe, but blame US for overreacting.


You are not a reasonable person.

Are you talking about the Soviets?
We WERE talking about US involvement in Korea and Vietnam

But since you brought up 10,000 tanks, you want the US to go up against those tanks just because we don’t like Commies?
Didn’t work out well for Hitler

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Soviets won 90 percent of the war against Germany
We won 90 percent of the war against Japan

Why did Stalin insist that we land at Normandy at the cost of many many US soldiers?
Who liberated Europe???????

BINGO!!!


Get a sense of the time from the NYTimes...


" ALLIED FRONT IN ITALY NOT SO FAR FROM REICH; In Other Words, It Is Just as Close to Germany From Any Peninsula Point As It Is From Dnieper THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE"

By EDWIN L. JAMES
September 12, 1943
http://spiderbites.nytimes.com/pay_1943/articles_1943_09_00003.html

6. The point made by the Times' Russia correspondent was that the distance from the toe of Italy to Germany's southern border was about the same as from Russia's western edge, the Dnieper River, and Germany's eastern border.
So, if the Allies proceeded from Italy, "the British and Americans are in a position to get to Germany just as rapidly as are the Russians." And, he opined, there was no longer reason for concern among "those addicted especially to worry about Moscow government's role in post war affairs..." and that "Moscow would gain control of Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and France."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The Soviets paid 20 million lives for that territory
What do you propose FDR should have done to remove the Red Army?

My advice, if he had asked, would have been to declare the Soviets cobelligerents, not allies.


That would have made it clearer to the people that the Soviets were not friends. And no lend lease for them.


When the war ended, with the nuking of Berlin, the Iron Curtain would have ended up being a few miles outside of Moscow. The Cold War would have been like a still breeze, instead of 80 years of nuclear terror.

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

The seeds of the Vietnam war were planted during the Wilson administration when we chose to ignore Ho Chi Minh and shoved him aside in favor of French imperialists. From there it festered until LBJ blew the fucking top off of it however every president between Wilson and LBJ had a hand in escalating that mess and sucking up to the friggin frogs.
Or problem in Vietnam was backing the wrong horse from the get go. Ho was more of a nationalist than he was anything else. He was however desperate for help and we turned him down first. Some folks think it odd that he even based Vietnam's constitution on ours.

The problem with Vietnam was we refused to stop supporting colonialism and then we turned a resulting civil war into a Cold War

Chickenhawks Committed Capital Treason. Their Class Owes Us 60,000 Lives.


The purpose of that war was to kill off or take the fight out of the bravest of those born in the working class. Mission Accomplished.

 

[PoliticalChic]

He gave them East Germany, Poland, and the other Eastern European countries.

He kept saying, "Good ole Joe."

FDR was a babe in a forest of haters.

Are you trying to say kowtow?
If ever in doubt look shit up before propagating ignorance.

Why did Stalin insist that we land at Normandy at the cost of many many US soldiers?
Who liberated Europe???????

Stalin didn't insist on Normandy. Normandy was our idea. Stalin only wanted a second front because millions of Soviets were being killed by Hitler while the other allies were pretty much skating in comparison.
Lord knows there's enough WWII history out there if you only look. Its probably the most documented war in all of history including every war before and since. There is likely as much on WWII alone as there is every other war in history put together.

Nay, nay, Dickie.....Stalin insisted on it so that his Red Army could occupy half of Europe upon cessation of hostilities.


Check out Eisenhower's comment before he was 'bribed.'

1. As to the question of Eisenhower's preference in attacking Fortress Europa, he stated in 1948: "My own recommendation, then as always, was that no operation should be taken in the Mediterranean except as a directly supporting move for the Channel attack and our planned deployment [of troops out of Italy] should proceed with all possible speed." Eisenhower, "Crusade in Europe," p.198-200

a. But, in 1943, before he was offered another star:
"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO. In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would be closer to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961

Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....

" In December 1943, it was announced that Eisenhower would be Supreme Allied Commander in Europe." Military career of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He received his fifth star December 20, 1944....four days after Marshall received his.

 

[Syriusly]

He gave them East Germany, Poland, and the other Eastern European countries.

He kept saying, "Good ole Joe."

FDR was a babe in a forest of haters.

I want to hear more about this cow that FDR towed.

 

[22lcidw]

FDR fought a perfect strategy in WWII that minimized US deaths

1. He held back our forces in Europe and made the Soviets do most of the fighting and dying

2. He approved the Manhattan Project which created the bomb to end the war in the Pacific without US invasion

But with zero thought to the post war situation.

The postwar situation where the US emerged with the worlds strongest economy and a military Super Power?

What You Worship as DOCuments Are Called That Because They've Been DOCtored


Truman should have threatened to nuke Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad unless the Red Army went back home. Our historians and commentariat are no different from Stalin's, just more sophisticated in their lying. Also, they're shallow; so they wouldn't know the truth even if they were paid to tell us the truth.

At the time, were we newer at this world player thing? Spy agencies and all. Now those organizations are so entrenched in our government that there has to be major influence on our politicians.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stalin was a murderous dictator, far worse than Hitler.

By every metric.


Did you know he taught Hitler to build concentration camps?


"The Soviet NKVD trained the SS, taught them how to build concentration camps, as they had been operating for 20 years before the origin of the Nazis." Viktor Suvorov, former Soviet Military Intelligence Officer. "According to Suvorov, Stalin planned to use Nazi Germany as a proxy (the “Icebreaker”) against the West. For this reason Stalin provided significant material and political support to Adolf Hitler, while at the same time preparing the Red Army to “liberate” the whole of Europe from Nazi occupation."
Viktor Suvorov - Wikipedia


World War II left over 27 million Soviet citizens dead....but only a fraction of them were killed by the Germans. Yet throughout the West. 'war crimes' is a phrase only attacked to the Nazis. When the Red Army marched, an NKVD army marched behind, with its own tanks, machine guns, firing forward....never allowing retreat. More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army.
"The Secret Betrayal" by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The postwar situation where the US emerged with the worlds strongest economy and a military Super Power?

And with the soviet ruling a commie alliance that stretched from the Elbe to South China Sea.


Not exactly a great End Game there.

The Soviets paid 20 million lives for that territory
What do you propose FDR should have done to remove the Red Army?

My advice, if he had asked, would have been to declare the Soviets cobelligerents, not allies.


That would have made it clearer to the people that the Soviets were not friends. And no lend lease for them.


When the war ended, with the nuking of Berlin, the Iron Curtain would have ended up being a few miles outside of Moscow. The Cold War would have been like a still breeze, instead of 80 years of nuclear terror.

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

The godfather of the Democrat Party:
1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin


2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations


3. He extended the Depression by years.


4. He disposed of the Constitution


5. He imposed Mussolini's Fascist policies and called it 'the New Deal


6. He turned over command of our military actions in WWII to Stalin, and cost multiple thousands of US soldiers' deaths.


7. He made certain that communism survived the war, and thrived afterwards.


8. Without his efforts, there would be no Red China, no Korean War, and no Vietnamese War


9. ...and he is the proximate explanation for the cultural Marxism prevalent in society today.


10. He was a racist and a bigot how wanted only those ‘with the right sort of blood.’ Sounds like a Nazis, huh?

 

[rightwinger]

FDR played both Stalin and Hitler correctly

He minimized US losses and positioned the US as the dominant nation on earth.

One reason why he is our greatest President

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR fought a perfect strategy in WWII that minimized US deaths

1. He held back our forces in Europe and made the Soviets do most of the fighting and dying

2. He approved the Manhattan Project which created the bomb to end the war in the Pacific without US invasion

But with zero thought to the post war situation.

The postwar situation where the US emerged with the worlds strongest economy and a military Super Power?

What You Worship as DOCuments Are Called That Because They've Been DOCtored


Truman should have threatened to nuke Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad unless the Red Army went back home. Our historians and commentariat are no different from Stalin's, just more sophisticated in their lying. Also, they're shallow; so they wouldn't know the truth even if they were paid to tell us the truth.

At the time, were we newer at this world player thing? Spy agencies and all. Now those organizations are so entrenched in our government that there has to be major influence on our politicians.

FDR had no spy agencies...he invited Stalin's spies into his administration.

After the war, we used former Nazis who had a network of spies in Russia.


"Reinhard Gehlen (3 April 1902 – 8 June 1979) was a German general who served as chief of the Foreign Armies East (FHO) military intelligence unit during World War II, and who later became leader of the Gehlen Organization and the first president of theFederal Intelligence Service (Bundesnachrichtendienst) (BND) during the Cold War. Gehlen is considered one of the most legendary Cold War spymasters."
Reinhard Gehlen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Founded our CIA during the Cold War.

 

[Correll]

LOL!!! Typical you blame US for it, and not the Empire that had a stated ideology of world conquest and sent men and materials to kill our people.

It was an overreaction on our part that cost us 100,000 lives

OUr part? What about them parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe? Does that strike you as a responsible and restrained move?

Neither North Korea or North Vietnam ever parked 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe

YOur cowardly dodge of my point is noted. My point stands.


You give them a pass for parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe, but blame US for overreacting.


You are not a reasonable person.

Are you talking about the Soviets?
We WERE talking about US involvement in Korea and Vietnam

But since you brought up 10,000 tanks, you want the US to go up against those tanks just because we don’t like Commies?
Didn’t work out well for Hitler

You are jumping around to avoid serious discussion.

 

[rightwinger]

It was an overreaction on our part that cost us 100,000 lives

OUr part? What about them parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe? Does that strike you as a responsible and restrained move?

Neither North Korea or North Vietnam ever parked 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe

YOur cowardly dodge of my point is noted. My point stands.


You give them a pass for parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe, but blame US for overreacting.


You are not a reasonable person.

Are you talking about the Soviets?
We WERE talking about US involvement in Korea and Vietnam

But since you brought up 10,000 tanks, you want the US to go up against those tanks just because we don’t like Commies?
Didn’t work out well for Hitler

You are jumping around to avoid serious discussion.

You are the one who distorts history and can’t keep your story straight

 

[rightwinger]

FDR fought a perfect strategy in WWII that minimized US deaths

1. He held back our forces in Europe and made the Soviets do most of the fighting and dying

2. He approved the Manhattan Project which created the bomb to end the war in the Pacific without US invasion

But with zero thought to the post war situation.

The postwar situation where the US emerged with the worlds strongest economy and a military Super Power?

What You Worship as DOCuments Are Called That Because They've Been DOCtored


Truman should have threatened to nuke Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad unless the Red Army went back home. Our historians and commentariat are no different from Stalin's, just more sophisticated in their lying. Also, they're shallow; so they wouldn't know the truth even if they were paid to tell us the truth.

At the time, were we newer at this world player thing? Spy agencies and all. Now those organizations are so entrenched in our government that there has to be major influence on our politicians.

FDR had no spy agencies...he invited Stalin's spies into his administration.

After the war, we used former Nazis who had a network of spies in Russia.


"Reinhard Gehlen (3 April 1902 – 8 June 1979) was a German general who served as chief of the Foreign Armies East (FHO) military intelligence unit during World War II, and who later became leader of the Gehlen Organization and the first president of theFederal Intelligence Service (Bundesnachrichtendienst) (BND) during the Cold War. Gehlen is considered one of the most legendary Cold War spymasters."
Reinhard Gehlen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Founded our CIA during the Cold War.

If we had no spies, how did we break the codes of both Germany and Japan?

 

[Correll]

OUr part? What about them parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe? Does that strike you as a responsible and restrained move?

Neither North Korea or North Vietnam ever parked 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe

YOur cowardly dodge of my point is noted. My point stands.


You give them a pass for parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe, but blame US for overreacting.


You are not a reasonable person.

Are you talking about the Soviets?
We WERE talking about US involvement in Korea and Vietnam

But since you brought up 10,000 tanks, you want the US to go up against those tanks just because we don’t like Commies?
Didn’t work out well for Hitler

You are jumping around to avoid serious discussion.

You are the one who distorts history and can’t keep your story straight

Nope. You are jumping around to avoid serious discussion.

 

[rightwinger]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

Close.

He was afraid that Hitler might damage his BFF, Stalin.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Imagine if FDR had followed PCs advise on fighting the war.....
Western Europe would still be under Nazi Control, Hitlers grandson would be in power

 

[Correll]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

Close.

He was afraid that Hitler might damage his BFF, Stalin.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Imagine if FDR had followed PCs advise on fighting the war.....
Western Europe would still be under Nazi Control, Hitlers grandson would be in power

nope. 1945, Berlin goes boom. The Nazis surrender. Europe as a whole is free. Maybe a rump Russia stays red.

 

[rightwinger]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

Close.

He was afraid that Hitler might damage his BFF, Stalin.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Imagine if FDR had followed PCs advise on fighting the war.....
Western Europe would still be under Nazi Control, Hitlers grandson would be in power

nope. 1945, Berlin goes boom. The Nazis surrender. Europe as a whole is free. Maybe a rump Russia stays red.

PC wanted us to make peace with the Nazis in 1942 while they controlled all of Europe

Hitler sympathizer

 

[Correll]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

Close.

He was afraid that Hitler might damage his BFF, Stalin.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Imagine if FDR had followed PCs advise on fighting the war.....
Western Europe would still be under Nazi Control, Hitlers grandson would be in power

nope. 1945, Berlin goes boom. The Nazis surrender. Europe as a whole is free. Maybe a rump Russia stays red.

PC wanted us to make peace with the Nazis in 1942 while they controlled all of Europe

Hitler sympathizer

I wonder if what you are saying it true. You have no credibility. You lie a lot. Like all the time.