FDR cow towed to Stalin and the Russians.

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Current events?

 

[Pogo]

And with the soviet ruling a commie alliance that stretched from the Elbe to South China Sea.


Not exactly a great End Game there.

The Soviets paid 20 million lives for that territory
What do you propose FDR should have done to remove the Red Army?

My advice, if he had asked, would have been to declare the Soviets cobelligerents, not allies.


That would have made it clearer to the people that the Soviets were not friends. And no lend lease for them.


When the war ended, with the nuking of Berlin, the Iron Curtain would have ended up being a few miles outside of Moscow. The Cold War would have been like a still breeze, instead of 80 years of nuclear terror.

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

The seeds of the Vietnam war were planted during the Wilson administration when we chose to ignore Ho Chi Minh and shoved him aside in favor of French imperialists. From there it festered until LBJ blew the fucking top off of it however every president between Wilson and LBJ had a hand in escalating that mess and sucking up to the friggin frogs.
Or problem in Vietnam was backing the wrong horse from the get go. Ho was more of a nationalist than he was anything else. He was however desperate for help and we turned him down first. Some folks think it odd that he even based Vietnam's constitution on ours.

Well said, good to see somebody knows their way around history. Ho appealed to Wilson's supposed concern for self-determination only to have it fall on deaf ears. Then he was our ally against Japan.

 

[Pogo]

The Soviets paid 20 million lives for that territory
What do you propose FDR should have done to remove the Red Army?

My advice, if he had asked, would have been to declare the Soviets cobelligerents, not allies.


That would have made it clearer to the people that the Soviets were not friends. And no lend lease for them.


When the war ended, with the nuking of Berlin, the Iron Curtain would have ended up being a few miles outside of Moscow. The Cold War would have been like a still breeze, instead of 80 years of nuclear terror.

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

The seeds of the Vietnam war were planted during the Wilson administration when we chose to ignore Ho Chi Minh and shoved him aside in favor of French imperialists. From there it festered until LBJ blew the fucking top off of it however every president between Wilson and LBJ had a hand in escalating that mess and sucking up to the friggin frogs.
Or problem in Vietnam was backing the wrong horse from the get go. Ho was more of a nationalist than he was anything else. He was however desperate for help and we turned him down first. Some folks think it odd that he even based Vietnam's constitution on ours.

IF not for the global threat of communism, we would not have been involved.

You mean if not for the global thread of the Dulles Brothers.

Fixed it for ya AGAIN.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Did you mean "kowtow"?

Postmodern Grammar Proves That College Education Is a Fraud and Should Not Be Rewarded


I actually thought it meant that FDR had a favorite cow that was towed to Russia after he died, as a tribute to the alliance that won the war.

The first time I heard the illogical and mind-destroying usage of "they" with the singular, I thought the dumbed-down speaker was referring to a third party, as in, "If a lawyer does that, they will lose the case," meaning that his clients would lose, when the Illiterate Liberal Language Lords want it to mean that the lawyer will lose.

Usages like that are the real-life version of Orwell's "NewSpeak." The reason the Power Elite allowed 1984 to be published is that it is so exaggerated people won't see that our enforced new grammar is as stupid as the obvious "doubleplus ungood" in that fake dystopia.

 

[rightwinger]

And with the soviet ruling a commie alliance that stretched from the Elbe to South China Sea.


Not exactly a great End Game there.

The Soviets paid 20 million lives for that territory
What do you propose FDR should have done to remove the Red Army?

My advice, if he had asked, would have been to declare the Soviets cobelligerents, not allies.


That would have made it clearer to the people that the Soviets were not friends. And no lend lease for them.


When the war ended, with the nuking of Berlin, the Iron Curtain would have ended up being a few miles outside of Moscow. The Cold War would have been like a still breeze, instead of 80 years of nuclear terror.

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

The seeds of the Vietnam war were planted during the Wilson administration when we chose to ignore Ho Chi Minh and shoved him aside in favor of French imperialists. From there it festered until LBJ blew the fucking top off of it however every president between Wilson and LBJ had a hand in escalating that mess and sucking up to the friggin frogs.
Or problem in Vietnam was backing the wrong horse from the get go. Ho was more of a nationalist than he was anything else. He was however desperate for help and we turned him down first. Some folks think it odd that he even based Vietnam's constitution on ours.

The problem with Vietnam was we refused to stop supporting colonialism and then we turned a resulting civil war into a Cold War

 

[rightwinger]

The Soviets paid 20 million lives for that territory
What do you propose FDR should have done to remove the Red Army?

My advice, if he had asked, would have been to declare the Soviets cobelligerents, not allies.


That would have made it clearer to the people that the Soviets were not friends. And no lend lease for them.


When the war ended, with the nuking of Berlin, the Iron Curtain would have ended up being a few miles outside of Moscow. The Cold War would have been like a still breeze, instead of 80 years of nuclear terror.

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

Actually, it was our fear of Communism that led to those wars.

LOL!!! Typical you blame US for it, and not the Empire that had a stated ideology of world conquest and sent men and materials to kill our people.

It was an overreaction on our part that cost us 100,000 lives

 

[Correll]

My advice, if he had asked, would have been to declare the Soviets cobelligerents, not allies.


That would have made it clearer to the people that the Soviets were not friends. And no lend lease for them.


When the war ended, with the nuking of Berlin, the Iron Curtain would have ended up being a few miles outside of Moscow. The Cold War would have been like a still breeze, instead of 80 years of nuclear terror.

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

The seeds of the Vietnam war were planted during the Wilson administration when we chose to ignore Ho Chi Minh and shoved him aside in favor of French imperialists. From there it festered until LBJ blew the fucking top off of it however every president between Wilson and LBJ had a hand in escalating that mess and sucking up to the friggin frogs.
Or problem in Vietnam was backing the wrong horse from the get go. Ho was more of a nationalist than he was anything else. He was however desperate for help and we turned him down first. Some folks think it odd that he even based Vietnam's constitution on ours.

IF not for the global threat of communism, we would not have been involved.

You mean if not for the global thread of the Dulles Brothers.

Fixed it for ya AGAIN.

Are you denying the global threat of communism, post wwii?

 

[Correll]

My advice, if he had asked, would have been to declare the Soviets cobelligerents, not allies.


That would have made it clearer to the people that the Soviets were not friends. And no lend lease for them.


When the war ended, with the nuking of Berlin, the Iron Curtain would have ended up being a few miles outside of Moscow. The Cold War would have been like a still breeze, instead of 80 years of nuclear terror.

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

Actually, it was our fear of Communism that led to those wars.

LOL!!! Typical you blame US for it, and not the Empire that had a stated ideology of world conquest and sent men and materials to kill our people.

It was an overreaction on our part that cost us 100,000 lives

OUr part? What about them parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe? Does that strike you as a responsible and restrained move?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

"Good ole Joe" after the war.

Why did he give Poland and other Eastern countries to Stalin after the war was over?
Oh and we were the only super power in the world.
We fought and won the wars on two fronts, and we had the only nuke bomb in the world.
If not for US the Russians would be speaking German today.

Consequences of Electing a Lightweight From Crooked Machine Politics


First of all, it was Truman who gave away Eastern Europe, just like he later gave away North Korea. The military-industrial complex needed the Soviet Union to expand and become a more believable threat. So the John Birch Society was right for the wrong reason.

 

[rightwinger]

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

Actually, it was our fear of Communism that led to those wars.

LOL!!! Typical you blame US for it, and not the Empire that had a stated ideology of world conquest and sent men and materials to kill our people.

It was an overreaction on our part that cost us 100,000 lives

OUr part? What about them parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe? Does that strike you as a responsible and restrained move?

Neither North Korea or North Vietnam ever parked 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe

 

[Pogo]

We did not have a nuke until three months after the war with Germany was over.

Any war with the Soviets was going to be bloody. Hard to sell on the home front. For what purpose?
They eventually collapsed in 40 years and it cost us no lives

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

The seeds of the Vietnam war were planted during the Wilson administration when we chose to ignore Ho Chi Minh and shoved him aside in favor of French imperialists. From there it festered until LBJ blew the fucking top off of it however every president between Wilson and LBJ had a hand in escalating that mess and sucking up to the friggin frogs.
Or problem in Vietnam was backing the wrong horse from the get go. Ho was more of a nationalist than he was anything else. He was however desperate for help and we turned him down first. Some folks think it odd that he even based Vietnam's constitution on ours.

IF not for the global threat of communism, we would not have been involved.

You mean if not for the global thread of the Dulles Brothers.

Fixed it for ya AGAIN.

Are you denying the global threat of communism, post wwii?

Yeah I've never been much into comic books.

You know why we were sold all that song and dance?

And are you denying the global threat of John Foster Dulles? Wanna talk about where his statue (bust) ended up?

 

[Correll]

Well, would have avoided A. the Korean War. B. the Vietnam War. C generations of fear of nuclear holocaust. and D. generations of oppression of Eastern Europe.

Actually, it was our fear of Communism that led to those wars.

LOL!!! Typical you blame US for it, and not the Empire that had a stated ideology of world conquest and sent men and materials to kill our people.

It was an overreaction on our part that cost us 100,000 lives

OUr part? What about them parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe? Does that strike you as a responsible and restrained move?

Neither North Korea or North Vietnam ever parked 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe

YOur cowardly dodge of my point is noted. My point stands.


You give them a pass for parking 10,000 tanks in the middle of Europe, but blame US for overreacting.


You are not a reasonable person.

 

[Pogo]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

"Good ole Joe" after the war.

Why did he give Poland and other Eastern countries to Stalin after the war was over?
Oh and we were the only super power in the world.
We fought and won the wars on two fronts, and we had the only nuke bomb in the world.
If not for US the Russians would be speaking German today.

Consequences of Electing a Lightweight From Crooked Machine Politics


First of all, it was Truman who gave away Eastern Europe, just like he later gave away North Korea. The military-industrial complex needed the Soviet Union to expand and become a more believable threat. So the John Birch Society was right for the wrong reason.

Truman was certainly a lightweight and an easily malleable unremarkable and incurious little man, but again, Eastern Europe was never his to "give away" in the first place.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

Close.

He was afraid that Hitler might damage his BFF, Stalin.


" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

 

[Correll]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

"Good ole Joe" after the war.

Why did he give Poland and other Eastern countries to Stalin after the war was over?
Oh and we were the only super power in the world.
We fought and won the wars on two fronts, and we had the only nuke bomb in the world.
If not for US the Russians would be speaking German today.

Consequences of Electing a Lightweight From Crooked Machine Politics


First of all, it was Truman who gave away Eastern Europe, just like he later gave away North Korea. The military-industrial complex needed the Soviet Union to expand and become a more believable threat. So the John Birch Society was right for the wrong reason.

Truman was certainly a lightweight and an easily malleable unremarkable and incurious little man, but again, Eastern Europe was never his to "give away" in the first place.

And it was Stalin's to viciously oppress, because why exactly?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

FDR fought a perfect strategy in WWII that minimized US deaths

1. He held back our forces in Europe and made the Soviets do most of the fighting and dying

2. He approved the Manhattan Project which created the bomb to end the war in the Pacific without US invasion

But with zero thought to the post war situation.

The postwar situation where the US emerged with the worlds strongest economy and a military Super Power?

What You Worship as DOCuments Are Called That Because They've Been DOCtored


Truman should have threatened to nuke Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad unless the Red Army went back home. Our historians and commentariat are no different from Stalin's, just more sophisticated in their lying. Also, they're shallow; so they wouldn't know the truth even if they were paid to tell us the truth.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

"Good ole Joe" after the war.

Why did he give Poland and other Eastern countries to Stalin after the war was over?
Oh and we were the only super power in the world.
We fought and won the wars on two fronts, and we had the only nuke bomb in the world.
If not for US the Russians would be speaking German today.

Now, now.....Adolf never would have won the war against his former ally, Stalin.


"Between June 22, 1941, and January 31, 1942, the Germans had lost 6,000 airplanes and more than 3,200 tanks and similar vehicles; and no less than 918,000 men had been killed, wounded, or gone missing in action, amounting to 28.7 percent of the average strength of the army, namely, 3,2 million men.[33]

(In the Soviet Union, Germany would lose no less than 10 million of its total 13.5 million men killed, wounded, or taken prisoner during the entire war; and the Red Army would end up claiming credit for 90 per cent of all Germans killed in the Second World War.)
Clive Ponting, 'Armageddon: The Second World War,' p. 130; Stephen E. Ambrose 'Americans at War,' p. 72. ”



And this, the only logical conclusion:

"....realistically middle sized Germany could not defeat the much larger Ussr in the long term. Germany would have eventually surrendered to the western allies to prevent total occupation by the USSR ..."
So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence (comment)


Clearly, any explanation of Roosevelt's pro-Soviet policy cannot rely on the fear of Stalin quitting the war.

So...one more Liberal myth put to rest......yet the worship of Roosevelt continues unabated.


Liberalism is based on the unthinking acceptance of myth and fabrication.

Always.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The US back then was war weary and not the super power it is today.
I think FDR was afraid of Hitler.

"Good ole Joe" after the war.

Why did he give Poland and other Eastern countries to Stalin after the war was over?
Oh and we were the only super power in the world.
We fought and won the wars on two fronts, and we had the only nuke bomb in the world.
If not for US the Russians would be speaking German today.

Good thread....too few recognize the truth about FDR.

Roosevelt has always intended to 'award' Europe to Stalin.


Evidence can be seen in a document which Stalin's spy living with Roosevelt, Harry Hopkins, took with him to the Quebec conference in August, 1943, entitled "Russia's Position," quoted as follows in Robert Sherwood's book, "Roosevelt and Hopkins: An Intimate History,":

"Russia's post-war position in Europe will be a dominant one. With Germany crushed, there is no power in Europe to oppose her tremendous military forces."

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was Stalin's sock puppet. There was no need for Eastern Europe to fall under Stalin, that was FDR and later Truman "just following orders"

Good ole Joe.

 

[Borillar]

FDR had a cow? And he had it towed to Russia? That’s very nice of him. Must have helped a field kitchen spread out their shchi for a few days.