Father of Oregon killer blames GUNS, not son, for massacre?

[kaz]

Not sure what you're saying.

This kid would have run around with a knife, killing all those people?
.

Knife, ballbat. Molotov cocktail, machete, sword, pressure cooker filled with ball bearings.

What was going to stop him?

The unarmed guard?

I really, really doubt it, but that's your call.

After all the school slaughters we've seen with guns - when I see a kid commit mass murder with something other than a gun, I'll look at it.
.

You mean like Timothy McVeigh?

The trick though is keeping 310 million guns away from every whack job, good luck with that

So..... what? We quit? We just let the little terrorists win? That's sad, Man.

No...we let people defend themselves. What is wrong with you?

And how's that been working out? America is dying proof that arming a society does not make it a peaceful society.

Um...not following the situation, are you?

Shooters keep going to gun free zones where only the shooters are armed. That's your way, Holmes, not mine.

Shooting after shooting we follow your rules, and you think that's me getting my way? LOL, clueless

 

[kaz]

An armed society is a peaceful society

-Geaux

Dude... if that were true America wouldn't even have arguments on message boards. We are armed to the teeth.

Crap... Now I'm going to have to give some thought to your comment

Thanks

-Geaux

Thinking is what it's all about, no?

No one shooting back is what you call us being "armed to the teeth?" And you think that's "thinking?"

Have you noticed, the shooters don't follow your rules...

 

[AVG-JOE]

Knife, ballbat. Molotov cocktail, machete, sword, pressure cooker filled with ball bearings.

What was going to stop him?

The unarmed guard?

I really, really doubt it, but that's your call.

After all the school slaughters we've seen with guns - when I see a kid commit mass murder with something other than a gun, I'll look at it.
.

You mean like Timothy McVeigh?

The trick though is keeping 310 million guns away from every whack job, good luck with that

So..... what? We quit? We just let the little terrorists win? That's sad, Man.

No...we let people defend themselves. What is wrong with you?

And how's that been working out? America is dying proof that arming a society does not make it a peaceful society.

Um...not following the situation, are you?

Shooters keep going to gun free zones where only the shooters are armed. That's your way, Holmes, not mine.

Shooting after shooting we follow your rules, and you think that's me getting my way? LOL, clueless

I disagree. Shooting after shooting a well paid congress follows NRA / Gun Lobby rules and the resulting unfettered access to weapons leads inevitably to the next whack-job deciding that using the arsenal they've been collecting on the rest of us in a fucked-up suicide maneuver is a good idea, with daily mass shootings becoming business as usual as the result.

How's that working out for you?​

 

[Geaux4it]

I really, really doubt it, but that's your call.

After all the school slaughters we've seen with guns - when I see a kid commit mass murder with something other than a gun, I'll look at it.
.

You mean like Timothy McVeigh?

The trick though is keeping 310 million guns away from every whack job, good luck with that

So..... what? We quit? We just let the little terrorists win? That's sad, Man.

No...we let people defend themselves. What is wrong with you?

And how's that been working out? America is dying proof that arming a society does not make it a peaceful society.

Um...not following the situation, are you?

Shooters keep going to gun free zones where only the shooters are armed. That's your way, Holmes, not mine.

Shooting after shooting we follow your rules, and you think that's me getting my way? LOL, clueless

I disagree. Shooting after shooting a well paid congress follows NRA / Gun Lobby rules and the resulting unfettered access to weapons leads inevitably to the next whack-job deciding that using the arsenal they've been collecting on the rest of us in a fucked-up suicide maneuver is a good idea, with daily mass shootings becoming business as usual as the result.

How's that working out for you?​

Unfettered? That's a lie

Again, shootings are rare and an acceptable risk to live in America

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

What type investigation would you prefer?

How about the same kind of background check we do when someone applies for a job?

If someone had looked into this kid's background, they'd have found he was on psychotropic drugs. If they checked his facebook page, they'd have seen he was kind of nuts. Employers do both these days.

 

[JoeB131]

Unfettered? That's a lie

Again, shootings are rare and an acceptable risk to live in America

That would imply that countries with common sense gun laws are somehow less desirable to live in than America, and that just isn't the case.

 

[Geaux4it]

Unfettered? That's a lie

Again, shootings are rare and an acceptable risk to live in America

That would imply that countries with common sense gun laws are somehow less desirable to live in than America, and that just isn't the case.

I have never heard of a 'common sense gun law'

-Geaux

 

[jillian]

An armed society is a peaceful society

-Geaux

Dude... if that were true America wouldn't even have arguments on message boards. We are armed to the teeth.

Crap... Now I'm going to have to give some thought to your comment

Thanks

-Geaux

Thinking is what it's all about, no?

No one shooting back is what you call us being "armed to the teeth?" And you think that's "thinking?"

Have you noticed, the shooters don't follow your rules...

no. we should live in the wild west like you nutters want us to.

again, wackos, no other civilized country in the world has this problem. the real problem is rightwngnut obsession with guns and violence. the world you want to create and foster is insane.

the problem is not that we have some guns. the problem is the wackoworld obsession with being armed to the teeth because you're too afraid to function in real life.

 

[jillian]

Unfettered? That's a lie

Again, shootings are rare and an acceptable risk to live in America

That would imply that countries with common sense gun laws are somehow less desirable to live in than America, and that just isn't the case.

I have never heard of a 'common sense gun law'

-Geaux

that's because you wouldn't know anything sensible if it bit you.

your problem... not ours. but maybe you should stop listening to NRA and rightwngnut propaganda.

 

[Geaux4it]

Unfettered? That's a lie

Again, shootings are rare and an acceptable risk to live in America

That would imply that countries with common sense gun laws are somehow less desirable to live in than America, and that just isn't the case.

I have never heard of a 'common sense gun law'

-Geaux

that's because you wouldn't know anything sensible if it bit you.

your problem... not ours. but maybe you should stop listening to NRA and rightwngnut propaganda.

Unlike lefties and libbies such as yourself, I'm not a puppet master

But indeed, payday is coming and so another small token of support is in the mail to the NRA

You should consider doing the same

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

I have never heard of a 'common sense gun law'

That's because you lack common sense. You think you should own a gun to overthrow the government.

 

[Geaux4it]

I have never heard of a 'common sense gun law'

That's because you lack common sense. You think you should own a gun to overthrow the government.

No, I like to hunt and shoot empty pop cans for fun

-Geaux

 

[Theowl32]

Yeap, in their pathetic manner when I ask them to provide details on how they would go about banning guns, they deny they want to ban guns.

How about a list: Let's start with California, where certain weapons were first required to be registered, then banned and either had to be removed from the state, or be confiscated; New Orleans where, after Katrina, the Mayor and Chief of Police ordered all civilian firearms confiscated - there is even video of police bum-rushing an elderly woman and steal . . . er . . . confiscating her .38. It took going to court for the city to even admit it had even happened, and for people to attempt to have their firearms returned. Many are still waiting because there were no receipts issued by LEO.

Any state that has "banned" a firearm simply because of physical characteristics which have no effect on functioning.

How about the Brady Campaign for Firearms Safety, or whatever they're calling themselves today; they began life as the National Council to Control Handguns, and their stated goal was to end first handgun and then long-gun ownership by private citizens.

How about the state (California or New York, I don't have it at hand.) where they are coming to a home near you and confiscating firearms because someone claims that the owner of those firearms might be mentally unstable? Might be. No judicial proceeding, no interviews with mental health professionals to make a determination, just someone such as an upset mother-in-law who doesn't think her little girl should have married a particular person.

Well, William, need any more examples?

Let's face it, the so-called firearms safety folks, who used to have gun control in their names, 'till they changed them, have one primary goal: Take firearms out of the hands of civilians but leave them in the hands of Government organizations.

We are pretty much in a socialist nation as it is folks. Liberals are nothing but pawns for their communist masters. Do not get me started with the raids in Wisconsin on citizens who contributed to Walker. Where they were told they had no rights at all. They could not call a lawyer and their neighbors were told they cannot tell the press.

Liberals are fucking pigs. They deserve no respect. They deserve to be hated.

 

[frigidweirdo]

“I’m not trying to say that they’re to blame for what happened. But if Chris had not been able to get hold of 13 guns it wouldn’t have happened.”
CNN just interviewed the father of the murderer of nine people at Umpqua Community College this week, and though he claims he is not blaming guns, he spent most of the interview doing that exact thing.

“That’s what guns are. The killers. It’s as simple as that. It’s black and white,” he says. Guns are the killers. Not his son.



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Just another reason to hate liberals. Don't you just fucking hate them?

You have to love how the loser claims guns are not to blame, and then that is all he does.

Double talking ignorant hypocrite.

Now, when the morons post on this thread about how much they want to ban guns, just ask them to give their plan and provide details. That, shuts them up every time.

Do you know why? Cause liberals are fucking morons. They are hypocrites. They are nothing but pawns for their communists, better known as their democrat politicians. They are all losers.

Remember, ask them to give their details when they cry for gun control. It will make you laugh at how fucking moronic they are.

The guy had mental problems. He shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near guns. As it was he could buy an arsenal.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Because some people will drive drunk and kill people in auto accidents we should ban alcohol, that is your liberal gun control logic. And since alcohol kills far more people than guns banning alcohol should be the top priority, right?

Driving drunk is illegal, therefore no one could possibly be doing it.

I sense sarcasm..... but at least perpetrators can be pulled out of the mix before they kill anyone. There is that.

True, but you and I know that isn't always how it works out.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeap, in their pathetic manner when I ask them to provide details on how they would go about banning guns, they deny they want to ban guns.

How about a list: Let's start with California, where certain weapons were first required to be registered, then banned and either had to be removed from the state, or be confiscated; New Orleans where, after Katrina, the Mayor and Chief of Police ordered all civilian firearms confiscated - there is even video of police bum-rushing an elderly woman and steal . . . er . . . confiscating her .38. It took going to court for the city to even admit it had even happened, and for people to attempt to have their firearms returned. Many are still waiting because there were no receipts issued by LEO.

Any state that has "banned" a firearm simply because of physical characteristics which have no effect on functioning.

How about the Brady Campaign for Firearms Safety, or whatever they're calling themselves today; they began life as the National Council to Control Handguns, and their stated goal was to end first handgun and then long-gun ownership by private citizens.

How about the state (California or New York, I don't have it at hand.) where they are coming to a home near you and confiscating firearms because someone claims that the owner of those firearms might be mentally unstable? Might be. No judicial proceeding, no interviews with mental health professionals to make a determination, just someone such as an upset mother-in-law who doesn't think her little girl should have married a particular person.

Well, William, need any more examples?

Let's face it, the so-called firearms safety folks, who used to have gun control in their names, 'till they changed them, have one primary goal: Take firearms out of the hands of civilians but leave them in the hands of Government organizations.

We are pretty much in a socialist nation as it is folks. Liberals are nothing but pawns for their communist masters. Do not get me started with the raids in Wisconsin on citizens who contributed to Walker. Where they were told they had no rights at all. They could not call a lawyer and their neighbors were told they cannot tell the press.

Liberals are fucking pigs. They deserve no respect. They deserve to be hated.

Guy, do you think you can reduce your rants down to one or two salient points, and then maybe you can get a discussion?

The problem with your "gun Control never works" arguments is that it ignores all the countries that have gun control and it works just fine.

Instead, you concentrate on one city or one state that tried to limit one class of weapon and say, "See, see, that didn't work!"

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Yeap, in their pathetic manner when I ask them to provide details on how they would go about banning guns, they deny they want to ban guns.

How about a list: Let's start with California, where certain weapons were first required to be registered, then banned and either had to be removed from the state, or be confiscated; New Orleans where, after Katrina, the Mayor and Chief of Police ordered all civilian firearms confiscated - there is even video of police bum-rushing an elderly woman and steal . . . er . . . confiscating her .38. It took going to court for the city to even admit it had even happened, and for people to attempt to have their firearms returned. Many are still waiting because there were no receipts issued by LEO.

Any state that has "banned" a firearm simply because of physical characteristics which have no effect on functioning.

How about the Brady Campaign for Firearms Safety, or whatever they're calling themselves today; they began life as the National Council to Control Handguns, and their stated goal was to end first handgun and then long-gun ownership by private citizens.

How about the state (California or New York, I don't have it at hand.) where they are coming to a home near you and confiscating firearms because someone claims that the owner of those firearms might be mentally unstable? Might be. No judicial proceeding, no interviews with mental health professionals to make a determination, just someone such as an upset mother-in-law who doesn't think her little girl should have married a particular person.

Well, William, need any more examples?

Let's face it, the so-called firearms safety folks, who used to have gun control in their names, 'till they changed them, have one primary goal: Take firearms out of the hands of civilians but leave them in the hands of Government organizations.

We are pretty much in a socialist nation as it is folks. Liberals are nothing but pawns for their communist masters. Do not get me started with the raids in Wisconsin on citizens who contributed to Walker. Where they were told they had no rights at all. They could not call a lawyer and their neighbors were told they cannot tell the press.

Liberals are fucking pigs. They deserve no respect. They deserve to be hated.

Guy, do you think you can reduce your rants down to one or two salient points, and then maybe you can get a discussion?

The problem with your "gun Control never works" arguments is that it ignores all the countries that have gun control and it works just fine.

Instead, you concentrate on one city or one state that tried to limit one class of weapon and say, "See, see, that didn't work!"

But do they work just fine? Seems murders in those countries doesn't decrease all that dramatically, criminals just use other methods to kill.

 

[easyt65]

If this guy had not been insane...

If this guy had not wanted to kill people....

If this guy hadn't been able to legally buy guns...

If this guy had not chosen a 'Gun Free Zone where he knew no one would have guns and would not be in jeopardy of getting shot before he killed as many people as he could...

If the security guard had been armed....

There are a LOT of 'IF's...

But to blame guns in ANY WAY is the ultimate in 'Blame-Shifting' and is another great example of the Lack of Personal Accountability that has been set by the Obama administration.

If GUNS are responsible for this sick guy's shooting spree then Forks are responsible for FAT people and should be banned immediately.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

The FBI Crime in the United States reportfound 8,124 murders committed with firearms in 2014, down from 8,454 in 2013. That represents a 3.9 percent drop year over year and the lowest rate of any year included in the report.

320m population = 0.000025% gun homicide rate.

Its another "crisis" !!!!!!!!

 

[Theowl32]

If this guy had not been insane...

If this guy had not wanted to kill people....

If this guy hadn't been able to legally buy guns...

If this guy had not chosen a 'Gun Free Zone where he knew no one would have guns and would not be in jeopardy of getting shot before he killed as many people as he could...

If the security guard had been armed....

There are a LOT of 'IF's...

But to blame guns in ANY WAY is the ultimate in 'Blame-Shifting' and is another great example of the Lack of Personal Accountability that has been set by the Obama administration.

If GUNS are responsible for this sick guy's shooting spree then Forks are responsible for FAT people and should be banned immediately.

The worst part all of these debates is how the puppets (better known as the democrat voting base) do not realize this has little to nothing to do with guns. It is ALL about the government gaining power over we the people. When you think about it, it is truly a scary thought.

The fact that democrats truly want to get our guns (they will word any law with ambiguous language in order to justify mass confiscation) is rather telling. It is very scary too. It is amazing how the propagandists in the media pushing and hyping and using these tragedies to push agendas. What I cannot tell for sure is if the media talking heads are consciously aware of what they are doing, or if they are too stupid to understand how they are themselves are vital chess pieces for the socialists (pure socialism is communism.)

This is a very long piece, and I know the losers on the left will not watch it. I would recommend you watch this documentary on Stalin.



Watch what happens when they take over. Watch what happens.