Why Gun Control Cant stop school and workplace shootings

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The age-old bumper sticker still applies and always will: if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns

 

[Winston]

Then why dont they focus on the process which is the violent person. They only care about the gun and the violent person is still there. Why dont they want to remove all violence? They never talk about that because all they care about is the gun. They will increase violence

At a Glance: Key Defensive Gun Use Figures​

• Studies estimate between 60,000 and 2.5 million instances of defensive gun use each year.
• The annual average of reported DGUs is approximately 1.82 million, compared to 1.1 million reported criminal offenses.
• Around 2.07 million Americans carry firearms regularly for self-defense.
• A person is 85% more likely to defend themselves with a gun than to be fatally shot by one.
• The typical defensive shooting occurs at a distance of three yards.

You are fooling no one. Focus on the process. Oh, you mean like treating the mentally ill? Great, how about we improve that situation, especially for our young children. Like Medicaid spending, you guys are worried about illegal immigrants getting benefits, but some orphaned or abandoned child with perhaps a slight behavioral problem is kept for years in an institution, at a cost to Medicaid of eight grand a flippin month. In terrible conditions, with horrendous treatment, often neglected, certainly abused, virtually up.

But come on, even within the adult population, those Medicaid cuts in the big beautiful bill, you know who is going to feel them first, as states struggle to replace lost funding and are forced to cut some programs. Why it is the programs for the mentally ill. And don't get me wrong. We have an epidemic in this country. COVID visibly did a number on our children, but it also affected every generation. But let's just say, it is no surprise some young, white, male, has went zonkers on some school children with an assault rifle, or a knife, or a ******* car.

So yeah, let's start with the process. I mean how do we create a mass shooter? But I know, you don't really care to have that discussion.

And then you got to spew out those nonsense defense use of a firearm statistics. I mean they all come from one place, one study. I believe it was Lott. The study itself is comical in it's lack of acceptance of almost every kind of bias out there. It was a phone study. Kind of went like this. Do you own a gun. Yes. Have you used it, in defensive of yourself or another, in the last year? Hell yeah hoss. Wasn't but a few months ago, heard something banging on the window late at night. Got old Bessie out, went toward the front porch, and I heard em, running towards the woods. I let her loose, I know I hit one of em. I was defending my home.

Well, problem is, it was a few months ago, it was a few years ago. And second, it was nothing more than a branch from the old Oak tree brushing up against the window in high winds. And third, if you took the numbers, and the responses, on face value, the number of gunshot victims that should have shown up in emergency rooms exceeds the total number of emergency room visits for ANYTHING, that happen in one year. Confine it to gunshot wounds and it is laughable.

But the worst part. You total unwillingness to even initiate any action. Assault rifles. I think the numbers are pretty clear. Mass shootings were down during the ban. And it is not just the numbers, it is the fatality rate, the damage done. There is no place for the assault rifle, and we can gauge that definition on bullet velocity and magazine size. That is not a stepping stone. It is a reality check.

Gun registration. Yes, damn Skippy. Ought to be universal. No "gun show" exemption,which really means, out of the trunk of my car, cash only, see you later. No, it is not going to work that way. Want to pass on a gun, fine, but it is going to be no different than a car, we got to have registration information, ownership information. Otherwise, well, yeah, we take your gun.

Both assault weapons bans and mandatory background checks and registration, are reasonable measures that should be taken to curtail gun violence. Same for magazine limitations. And I got to be honest. It is time to get real here. You are visiting some mental health professional, or at least your child is, and they have some real issues. You got guns? Where the **** are they? A line of responsibility should be drawn.

I believe, what we are really seeing, is a lack of respect. In the first part, for life. If we are talking about mass shootings, and school shootings, we have to acknowledge it. There is a subset, within our young males, almost exclusively white, they have no respect for life. And that can manifest itself in two ways. Their life, which they don't value, or the lives of those they condone, condemn, feel hurt by.

But what hurts most of all, the lack of respect for the "gun". I mean maybe I will write that book. About a gun. One ******* gun, that made this nation. But there is no respect for the gun anymore. Look at the process? No, look at the gun, where is the respect?

 

[Winco]

The age-old bumper sticker still applies and always will: if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns

Too Funny,

there is the exact same amount of Truth in these two Statements:

1). The Left wants A complete and Total Ban on Guns in the USA, take them ALL away., go door to door and just take them. LOLLLOLLLOLLL

2). Trump has moral character, he is an honest man, he is transparent in every way, he is a devout Christian man of Faith, and he shakes a lot of hands and that is 100% the reason he has bruises on his right hand. LOLLLLOOLLLOLL

Both Statements are complete fabrications.

Problem is, the CULT believes everything about statement #1 is true, and the CULT also believes everything about statement #2 is true.

 

[Independent thinker]

I learned a valuable lesson in graduate school from a teacher everyone hated but he was brilliant with 2 PhDs in psychology and divinity. I had an assignment to analyze a family conflict. So I bring back my paper he reads it tells me its worthless and tosses it in my direction like garbage. He did stuff like that. After I suppressed the desire to punch his lights out I asked whats wrong with it. He said its all observable behavior whats the process. Thats whats really going on causing the behavior numbskull. I pause to suppress my initial desire. Then the light bulb went off in my head. Now for my point.

The anti gun mind sees a man shooting people and blames the gun. Their solution take the gun away. Thats observable behavior but not process. We are still left with the killer.

The process is a determined mentally ill person who in many cases intends to die is doing the killing. We address the process by stopping him in advance. That can be done because in most cases they expose themselves or have a long history of violence and mental illness. We need the ability to mandate long term or treatment for life. (That doesnt mean locking people up).

To those who claim well a gun makes it easy. How about running people over with a car. Should we take all the cars away. Pressure cooker bomb like they used in Boston. Address the process not the tool you can see

Amen. About the stupidest thing the left does is let criminals run around loose and then try to keep guns out of their hands.

 

[Doc7505]

I learned a valuable lesson in graduate school from a teacher everyone hated but he was brilliant with 2 PhDs in psychology and divinity. I had an assignment to analyze a family conflict. So I bring back my paper he reads it tells me its worthless and tosses it in my direction like garbage. He did stuff like that. After I suppressed the desire to punch his lights out I asked whats wrong with it. He said its all observable behavior whats the process. Thats whats really going on causing the behavior numbskull. I pause to suppress my initial desire. Then the light bulb went off in my head. Now for my point.

The anti gun mind sees a man shooting people and blames the gun. Their solution take the gun away. Thats observable behavior but not process. We are still left with the killer.

The process is a determined mentally ill person who in many cases intends to die is doing the killing. We address the process by stopping him in advance. That can be done because in most cases they expose themselves or have a long history of violence and mental illness. We need the ability to mandate long term or treatment for life. (That doesnt mean locking people up).

To those who claim well a gun makes it easy. How about running people over with a car. Should we take all the cars away. Pressure cooker bomb like they used in Boston. Address the process not the tool you can see

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The same can be said for knives or cutting edged tools.
Do we blame the knife, machete, axe, or even a blunt instrument like a hammer or bat/Cricket bat for the destruction wrought by the wielder?
Do we like Japan and now the UK regulate the length of cutting instruments?
Japan has strict regulations on knives, particularly regarding blade length. Knives with blades longer than 15 cm (approximately 5.9 inches) are generally prohibited for public carry.
In the UK, it is illegal to carry most knives in public without a "good reason." This includes knives with blades longer than 3 inches (7.62 cm) unless they are folding knives that do not lock.
While knife control laws in both countries are designed to curb violence, their actual impact remains limited. The effectiveness of these laws is often questioned, as they may not address underlying societal issues that contribute to knife-related violence.

 

[Doc7505]

Amen. About the stupidest thing the left does is let criminals run around loose and then try to keep guns out of their hands.

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Actually, criminals have more access to guns and firearms through black market channels that the average person.
Criminals often obtain firearms through black market channels, which provide easier access compared to legal purchases. A significant percentage of crime & terrorist firearms are sourced from illegal markets.
More than 45% of the guns reported by criminals were bought on the black market...
The conclusion is; Criminals have greater access to firearms through black market channels compared to the average person, primarily due to illegal purchases and trafficking from licensed dealers. This access contributes to the high rates of gun violence and crime in many communities.
Despite the laws the average citizen is required to follow..

 

[Independent thinker]

<~~~~~~>
Actually, criminals have more access to guns and firearms through black market channels that the average person.
Criminals often obtain firearms through black market channels, which provide easier access compared to legal purchases. A significant percentage of crime & terrorist firearms are sourced from illegal markets.
More than 45% of the guns reported by criminals were bought on the black market...
The conclusion is; Criminals have greater access to firearms through black market channels compared to the average person, primarily due to illegal purchases and trafficking from licensed dealers. This access contributes to the high rates of gun violence and crime in many communities.
Despite the laws the average citizen is required to follow..

Yup, not to mention if you are a criminal wanting a gun all you have to do is break into homes, cars, or gun stores. So, the left's solution it to continue letting criminals run around loose and take everyone else's guns away.

 

[M14 Shooter]

AI disagrees with the OP. The Assault Weapons ban was working.
During the 1994-2004 Federal Assault Weapons Ban (FAWB), the rate of mass shootings and related fatalities decreased, while general homicide rates also fell. The trend for mass shootings reversed, rising steeply, after the ban was allowed to expire in 2004.

Why do you believe correlation proves causation?

Here's proof your claim is unmitigated bullshit:

-The 1994 AWB did not result in the confiscation confiscate a single firearm; as such, it did nothing to take 'assault weapons; off the street. This means there was no reduction in the number of 'assault weapons' in private hands during the ban.
-The 1994 AWB did nothing to curtail the production and sale of 'assault weapons'; as such, it did nothing to reduce the availability of 'assault weapons' to the public. This means the number of 'assault weapons' in private hands increased during the ban.
-Given these facts, it is impossible to soundly;y argue the 1994 AWB had any reductive effect on mass shootings, or its expiry resulted in an increase in mass shootings.

For those who need pictures:

I await your response with great anticipation.

I accept your surrender.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

Do you have to register every knife you own?

That is a good question when a lot of people keep plenty of knives in their kitchen.

God bless you always!!!

Holly

P.S. I don't know how many are currently in mine.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Here is a thought, every gun in this country should be registered, just like a car.

They should make a policy that everyone in this country has one year from the day the policy is signed to register their guns. After that if you are caught with an unregistered gun it is a mandatory 5yr jail sentence, if you are caught committing a crime with an unregistered gun it should be a mandatory 10yrs added to your sentence.

Or we can NOT do that.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Same tried and tiresome LAME ass argument.
To completely disarm Americans....... nice try.

But sure, repeat the LIE once again, the gun nuts love this LIE.

No, rather the grabbers like to lie, your just mad your lies dont work anymore.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

No American is more of a gun-grabber than the current President, Donald J. Trump....

User Clip: I like taking the guns early

Trump likes banning guns

www.c-span.org

And you ignored the actions Biden did because your dishonest, a leftists, and a useful idiot.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

Tell the LIE again.

Find ONE poster on this board that has suggested "A Total and Complete Disarming of Americans."

You may be able to find some random obscure article written by a left wing loon, but nobody else is suggesting that.

What you forget or ignore is people in power want this. And are actively trying to get it.

No many dems have openly said it.

 

[IM2]

I learned a valuable lesson in graduate school from a teacher everyone hated but he was brilliant with 2 PhDs in psychology and divinity. I had an assignment to analyze a family conflict. So I bring back my paper he reads it tells me its worthless and tosses it in my direction like garbage. He did stuff like that. After I suppressed the desire to punch his lights out I asked whats wrong with it. He said its all observable behavior whats the process. Thats whats really going on causing the behavior numbskull. I pause to suppress my initial desire. Then the light bulb went off in my head. Now for my point.

The anti gun mind sees a man shooting people and blames the gun. Their solution take the gun away. Thats observable behavior but not process. We are still left with the killer.

The process is a determined mentally ill person who in many cases intends to die is doing the killing. We address the process by stopping him in advance. That can be done because in most cases they expose themselves or have a long history of violence and mental illness. We need the ability to mandate long term or treatment for life. (That doesnt mean locking people up).

To those who claim well a gun makes it easy. How about running people over with a car. Should we take all the cars away. Pressure cooker bomb like they used in Boston. Address the process not the tool you can see

It's funny how some people see process only in certain instances. Taking the tool away is part of the process. Not everybody who does these mass shootings is crazy.

Par·a·noi·a
/ˌperəˈnoiə/

noun

• 1.unjustified suspicion and mistrust of other people or their actions:"I got into a state of paranoia about various night noises which in daylight seems utterly silly"
• 2.the unwarranted or delusional belief that one is being persecuted, harassed, or betrayed by others, occurring as part of a mental condition.

Paranoia tells right-wingers they must always be armed because they might have to defend themselves against invaders or the government. Being a right-winger is a mental disorder.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Same tried and tiresome LAME ass argument.
To completely disarm Americans....... nice try.

But sure, repeat the LIE once again, the gun nuts love this LIE.

And, I'm going to keep on saying it, over and over and over.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

It's funny how some people see process only in certain instances. Taking the tool away is part of the process. Not everybody who does these mass shootings is crazy.

Par·a·noi·a
/ˌperəˈnoiə/

noun

• 1.unjustified suspicion and mistrust of other people or their actions:"I got into a state of paranoia about various night noises which in daylight seems utterly silly"
• 2.the unwarranted or delusional belief that one is being persecuted, harassed, or betrayed by others, occurring as part of a mental condition.

Paranoia tells right-wingers they must always be armed because they might have to defend themselves against invaders or the government. Being a right-winger is a mental disorder.

The suspicion and mistrust of leftists is NOT unfounded, your side is very open with your desire to disarm us so you can murder us.

Your side doesn’t get any benefit of any doubt anymore, we see you as what you are, the enemy, because you are.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

You are fooling no one. Focus on the process. Oh, you mean like treating the mentally ill? Great, how about we improve that situation, especially for our young children. Like Medicaid spending, you guys are worried about illegal immigrants getting benefits, but some orphaned or abandoned child with perhaps a slight behavioral problem is kept for years in an institution, at a cost to Medicaid of eight grand a flippin month. In terrible conditions, with horrendous treatment, often neglected, certainly abused, virtually up.

But come on, even within the adult population, those Medicaid cuts in the big beautiful bill, you know who is going to feel them first, as states struggle to replace lost funding and are forced to cut some programs. Why it is the programs for the mentally ill. And don't get me wrong. We have an epidemic in this country. COVID visibly did a number on our children, but it also affected every generation. But let's just say, it is no surprise some young, white, male, has went zonkers on some school children with an assault rifle, or a knife, or a ******* car.

So yeah, let's start with the process. I mean how do we create a mass shooter? But I know, you don't really care to have that discussion.

And then you got to spew out those nonsense defense use of a firearm statistics. I mean they all come from one place, one study. I believe it was Lott. The study itself is comical in it's lack of acceptance of almost every kind of bias out there. It was a phone study. Kind of went like this. Do you own a gun. Yes. Have you used it, in defensive of yourself or another, in the last year? Hell yeah hoss. Wasn't but a few months ago, heard something banging on the window late at night. Got old Bessie out, went toward the front porch, and I heard em, running towards the woods. I let her loose, I know I hit one of em. I was defending my home.

Well, problem is, it was a few months ago, it was a few years ago. And second, it was nothing more than a branch from the old Oak tree brushing up against the window in high winds. And third, if you took the numbers, and the responses, on face value, the number of gunshot victims that should have shown up in emergency rooms exceeds the total number of emergency room visits for ANYTHING, that happen in one year. Confine it to gunshot wounds and it is laughable.

But the worst part. You total unwillingness to even initiate any action. Assault rifles. I think the numbers are pretty clear. Mass shootings were down during the ban. And it is not just the numbers, it is the fatality rate, the damage done. There is no place for the assault rifle, and we can gauge that definition on bullet velocity and magazine size. That is not a stepping stone. It is a reality check.

Gun registration. Yes, damn Skippy. Ought to be universal. No "gun show" exemption,which really means, out of the trunk of my car, cash only, see you later. No, it is not going to work that way. Want to pass on a gun, fine, but it is going to be no different than a car, we got to have registration information, ownership information. Otherwise, well, yeah, we take your gun.

Both assault weapons bans and mandatory background checks and registration, are reasonable measures that should be taken to curtail gun violence. Same for magazine limitations. And I got to be honest. It is time to get real here. You are visiting some mental health professional, or at least your child is, and they have some real issues. You got guns? Where the **** are they? A line of responsibility should be drawn.

I believe, what we are really seeing, is a lack of respect. In the first part, for life. If we are talking about mass shootings, and school shootings, we have to acknowledge it. There is a subset, within our young males, almost exclusively white, they have no respect for life. And that can manifest itself in two ways. Their life, which they don't value, or the lives of those they condone, condemn, feel hurt by.

But what hurts most of all, the lack of respect for the "gun". I mean maybe I will write that book. About a gun. One ******* gun, that made this nation. But there is no respect for the gun anymore. Look at the process? No, look at the gun, where is the respect?

Nope. Shall not be infringed. Don’t like it? Leave.

“There is a subset, within our young males, almost exclusively white, they have no respect for life. And that can manifest itself in two ways. Their life, which they don't value, or the lives of those they condone, condemn, feel hurt by.”

Yeah ignore the crime commit by black males 16-35, ignore how most mass shooters are not White, ignore how your awful policies have made life needlessly harder, worse, and dangerous for straight, White, Men, take away their rights, and wonder why people see you as the enemy, because you are.

Our rights don’t get to be stripped away because you hate the idea of people being free or it scares you, go be a slave somewhere else.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

This also points out the fallacy of Red Flag laws, where firearms are taken from someone who might be a threat to himself or others.
Take the gun, ignore the threat.

Because their goal is to disarm political opponents.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

I don't think you can buy a new weapon in the US without filling out a federal firearms form for a background check--the weapon is noted on the form, so I guess that is a form of registration.

Private sales exist.

 

[Concerned American]

Private sales exist.

You're missing the point. New sales still register guns. Legal private sales in some states have the same requirements. CA and WA are two that require that.