Fannie and Freddie In Trouble

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Damn Clinton, he set this all up when he was in office.:lol:

I wonder if the CEOs will get a big bonus when they leave?:mad:

WASHINGTON - The government is expected to take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as soon as this weekend in a monumental move designed to protect the mortgage market from the failure of the two companies, which together hold or guarantee half of the nation's mortgage debt, a person briefed on the matter said Friday night.

Some of the details of the intervention, which could cost taxpayers billions, were not yet available, but are expected to include the departure of Fannie Mae CEO Daniel Mudd and Freddie Mac CEO Richard Syron, according to the source, who asked not to be named because the plan was yet to be announced.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and James Lockhart, the companies' chief regulator, met Friday afternoon with the top executives from the mortgage companies and informed them of the government's plan to put the troubled companies into a conservatorship.

Government may soon back troubled mortgage giants - Yahoo! News
 
I blame the idiot people that listened to the dumbasses that were yelling how this was the best economy ever and to go out and buy a house and all that other shit when they couldn't afford it.

"Here's your tax rebate check, it's your duty as an American to spend it on a big screen TV."

Morons.
 
Barack Obama Taps Former Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson to Help Choose Running Mate - May 22, 2008....
Johnson served as Fannie Mae CEO from 1991 to 1998 and has a long history in both Washington politics and business. ...... He was an executive assistant for Vice President Walter Mondale (1977-1981) and a U.S. Senate staff member. Johnson also helped screen running mates for Democratic presidential nominees Walter Mondale in 1984 and John Kerry in 2004. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2082944/posts
 
As CEO of Fannie Mae, Johnson... was the beneficiary of accounting in which Fannie Mae's earnings were manipulated so that executives could earn larger bonuses. The accounting manipulation for 1998 resulted in the maximum payouts to Fannie Mae's senior executives -- $1.9 million in Johnson's case -- when the company's performance that year would have otherwise resulted in no bonuses at all, according to reports in 2004 and 2006 by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight. Obama's Choice of Insider Draws Fire
 
The chiefs of the nation's two largest mortgage lenders reaped roughly $30 million in salary, incentives and other perks last year, despite setting their banks on courses which now may require government bailouts.

Daniel Mudd, the CEO of Fannie Mae, received $11.6 million in salary, stock and other compensation for 2007. Richard Syron, CEO of Freddie Mac, took home about $18.3 million last year.

In addition to Syron's salary, stock options and a $3.45 million bonus, Freddie Mac paid for a number of other perks for Syron, such as a car and driver, a home security system, travel costs for his wife, even $100,000 to pay his lawyer to negotiate his employment contract with the bank.

ABC News: CEO Salaries Weather Mortgage Crisis
 
Hmmm, Glock, missed this one.

If you want to know how Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have survived scandal and crisis, consider this: Over the past decade, they have spent nearly $200 million on lobbying and campaign contributions.

But the political tentacles of the mortgage giants extend far beyond their checkbooks.

The two government-chartered companies run a highly sophisticated lobbying operation, with deep-pocketed lobbyists in Washington and scores of local Fannie- and Freddie-sponsored homeowner groups ready to pressure lawmakers back home.

They’ve stacked their payrolls with top Washington power brokers of all political stripes, including Republican John McCain’s presidential campaign manager, Rick Davis;

Check out how much McCain was given. I guess it's easier to just glock Obama than be honest,
 
I blame the idiot people that listened to the dumbasses that were yelling how this was the best economy ever and to go out and buy a house and all that other shit when they couldn't afford it.

"Here's your tax rebate check, it's your duty as an American to spend it on a big screen TV."

Morons.

You don't blame the lobbyists and politicians that deregulated the industry knowing this would happen? Most state attorney generals warned the Bush regime back in 2002 that the predatory lending would occur and the Federal government over rid the states that said they didn't want sub prime loans in their states.

I have to admit, you are a smart guy from what I read, and even you are under informed about what the hell the GOP did from 2000-2006 when they ran it all.

Did the Federal Reserve bail out the home owners? No they did not. So are you saying you don't blame the banks that got bailed out? You don't blame the predatory lenders that sold the loan and then sold off the loans to the bigger banks and washed their hands of the bad loans they knew would turn into bad loans.

I blame the people who gave the original loans. Countrywide and Quicken type companies.

Do you really think they were innocent?
 
Hmmm, Glock, missed this one.



Check out how much McCain was given. I guess it's easier to just glock Obama than be honest,

Don't glock. Tell the truth. You are such a glockhead. Suck my glock. You don't know glock. Glock off. Kiss my glock.:lol:
 
TIME: 2003

Bush: this is gonna blow

Dems: stoopid boosh

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
By STEPHEN LABATON
The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates. ...

Mr. Snow said that Congress should eliminate the power of the president to appoint directors to the companies, a sign that the administration is less concerned about the perks of patronage than it is about the potential political problems associated with any new difficulties arising at the companies.

...

''The current regulator does not have the tools, or the mandate, to adequately regulate these enterprises,'' Mr. Oxley said at the hearing. ''We have seen in recent months that mismanagement and questionable accounting practices went largely unnoticed by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight,'' the independent agency that now regulates the companies.

''These irregularities, which have been going on for several years, should have been detected earlier by the regulator,'' he added.

...

''The regulator has not only been outmanned, it has been outlobbied,'' said Representative Richard H. Baker, the Louisiana Republican who has proposed legislation similar to the administration proposal and who leads a subcommittee that oversees the companies. ''Being underfunded does not explain how a glowing report of Freddie's operations was released only hours before the managerial upheaval that followed. This is not world-class regulatory work.''

...

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.


New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - New York Times
 
You don't blame the lobbyists and politicians that deregulated the industry knowing this would happen? Most state attorney generals warned the Bush regime back in 2002 that the predatory lending would occur and the Federal government over rid the states that said they didn't want sub prime loans in their states.

I have to admit, you are a smart guy from what I read, and even you are under informed about what the hell the GOP did from 2000-2006 when they ran it all.

Did the Federal Reserve bail out the home owners? No they did not. So are you saying you don't blame the banks that got bailed out? You don't blame the predatory lenders that sold the loan and then sold off the loans to the bigger banks and washed their hands of the bad loans they knew would turn into bad loans.

I blame the people who gave the original loans. Countrywide and Quicken type companies.

Do you really think they were innocent?

I'm not underinformed. I just don't blame the predatory lenders so much as I do the people for not doing their own homework. If someone couldn't figure out that going with a loan from a bank instead of paying $10,000 for a sub-prime loan just to save a point and a quarter is a bad deal than that's it's not the government's fault. There are predatory lenders everywhere from payday loans to countrywide to the used car dealer on the local corner lot. And now people like me, who've done their homework get screwed over because people can't do simple math. You gotta draw the line somewhere when it comes to personal responsibility.
 
the american dream was to own your own home..somewhere along the line...the american dream became to borrow heavily on your home. it was so encouraged by all types of interests....real estate brokers....apprasiers...bankers...etc. you had flipping shows..buy this house, flip it and make thousands...which you can do in the right market still. people counted on the continued appreciation of their homes. refinancing every time they could. Doing a few thousand worth of renovacations then getting an apprasiel upping the homes value by more than 10%. On a $250.000. home that is quite a nice sum of cash. buying large screens, atv,s , going on real nice vacations..all the while banking on future apprecaiton of their homes. Seeing their house payments inch up slowly but nothing they couldnt handle....till the bubble popped and they are now upside down with their house. They are struggling to make payments and pay expenses of daily living.
 
the american dream was to own your own home..somewhere along the line...the american dream became to borrow heavily on your home. it was so encouraged by all types of interests....real estate brokers....apprasiers...bankers...etc. you had flipping shows..buy this house, flip it and make thousands...which you can do in the right market still. people counted on the continued appreciation of their homes. refinancing every time they could. Doing a few thousand worth of renovacations then getting an apprasiel upping the homes value by more than 10%. On a $250.000. home that is quite a nice sum of cash. buying large screens, atv,s , going on real nice vacations..all the while banking on future apprecaiton of their homes. Seeing their house payments inch up slowly but nothing they couldnt handle....till the bubble popped and they are now upside down with their house. They are struggling to make payments and pay expenses of daily living.

Welcome to planet earth; it's full of people.

srsly when have people NOT tried to turn a fast easy buck? Wouldn't you if you had a reasonable idea it was safe, easy and legal? Wouldn't you try to provide better for you family?

I'm not excusing the flippers; it's just a variation on a Ponzi scheme b/c the people who come to the party late are going to buy properties that are over-valued and they won't be able to move them. Unlike a traditional Ponzi scheme there actually was real commodities involved. There is oversight, i.e. appraisers, underwriters, etc but every system has its weaknesses. Alas, you can't do anything about that. History shows any effort to control prices actually leads to higher inflation and a shortage of goods.
 
the american dream was to own your own home..somewhere along the line...the american dream became to borrow heavily on your home. it was so encouraged by all types of interests....real estate brokers....apprasiers...bankers...etc. you had flipping shows..buy this house, flip it and make thousands...which you can do in the right market still. people counted on the continued appreciation of their homes. refinancing every time they could. Doing a few thousand worth of renovacations then getting an apprasiel upping the homes value by more than 10%. On a $250.000. home that is quite a nice sum of cash. buying large screens, atv,s , going on real nice vacations..all the while banking on future apprecaiton of their homes. Seeing their house payments inch up slowly but nothing they couldnt handle....till the bubble popped and they are now upside down with their house. They are struggling to make payments and pay expenses of daily living.

The punishment of the greedy. Those who still insist there is such a thing as a free lunch and that money can buy you security and happiness,. How many will learn the lesson this time ?
 
At the top of the list we must place Franklin D. Raines, chairman and chief executive officer of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2004. Raines, who served as director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Clinton, had previously worked at Fannie Mae as vice chairman. Before that, he worked on the Clinton transition team following the 1992 election. Before that, he was a general partner at Lazard Freres & Co. Raines, as the Wall Street Journal reported, was forced to leave Fannie Mae in 2004, when regulators discovered it had broken accounting rules "in an effort to conceal fluctuations in profit and hadn't maintained adequate risk controls." The New York Times reported two year ago that regulators "have said that of the $90 million paid to Mr. Raines from 1998 to 2003 at least $52 million—more than half—was tied to bonus targets that were reached by manipulating accounting." Raines agreed to a $24.7 million settlement with a federal regulator in exchange for charges being dropped, but he admitted no wrongdoing.

Next up is Jamie S. Gorelick, whose official résumé describes her as "one of the longest serving Deputy Attorneys General of the United States," a position she held during the Clinton administration. Although Gorelick had no background in finance, she joined Fannie Mae in 1997 as vice chair and departed in 2003. For her trouble, Gorelick collected a staggering $26.4 million in total compensation, including bonuses. Federal investigators (PDF) would later say that "Fannie Mae's management directed employees to manipulate accounting and earnings to trigger maximum bonuses for senior executives from 1998 to 2003." The New York Times would call the manipulations an "$11 billion accounting scandal." Gorelick, it should be noted, has never been charged with any wrongdoing.

http://www.slate.com/id/2200160/
 

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