Zone1 False Preacher Claims That We're Equal to Jesus

Yeah, but aren't we above the angels though? Don't they serve us?
No. We are definitely NOT. In the future the resurrected saints will be.

But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man that thou visitest him?

7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him
 
Revelation 22:6-9
6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
 
An interesting read in the Bible is the story of the two angels who visited Lot before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. These two angels were also called men and they also had supper with Lot and his family.

Genesis 19:1-16
1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a fest, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.
10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door.
11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.
12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place:
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord; and the Lord hath sent us to destroy it.
14 And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the Lord will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law.
15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.
16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

These angels of God were either translated beings or living men on the earth. A translated being is a person whom God has allowed to live on without suffering death. The reason I believe this is because these men ate with Lot and his family. Premortal angels could not eat because they didn't have a body yet. Enoch was and may still be a translated being. Nobody before Christ had ever resurrected on this earth.

Hebrews 11:5
5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
 
I see your point, but Christians trying to act like Jesus isn't exactly the same thing as being equal to Jesus. Although my fiancée made a great point to me earlier. I think we are higher up or are supposed to be higher up than the angels but I can't remember if that's true or what scripture that's from. 🤔



I'm only a little bit familiar with him. I just found out about him a few days ago in a freaky things that have happened on camera video and supposedly in this video he became demonically possessed but honestly it just sounds like babbling to me.






It doesn't matter what you believe you're going to see that that's true comes next year.


Since I don't have a preacher on speed dial, I asked a computer (AI) :laughing0301:

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I see your point, but Christians trying to act like Jesus isn't exactly the same thing as being equal to Jesus. Although my fiancée made a great point to me earlier. I think we are higher up or are supposed to be higher up than the angels but I can't remember if that's true or what scripture that's from. 🤔

Jesus commanded us (he didn't suggest it) to "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt 5:48).

Now, is he giving us commandments we can't keep (that hardly seems right).

Or is he looking at the bigger (beyond mortality) picture because he knows something we don't (or didn't) ?
 
Since I don't have a preacher on speed dial, I asked a computer (AI) :laughing0301:

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So united with Christ still seems different than me saying I'm equal to Christ as that still sounds blasphemous to me. Plus I don't trust AI.. like... at all.


Jesus commanded us (he didn't suggest it) to "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt 5:48).

Now, is he giving us commandments we can't keep (that hardly seems right).

Or is he looking at the bigger (beyond mortality) picture because he knows something we don't (or didn't) ?


I'm not sure but Jesus was the only one who was ever perfect and that's all I know.
 
I'm not sure but Jesus was the only one who was ever perfect and that's all I know.

So, again, I'll ask....was he giving a commandment he knew we could not fulfill ?

And was he perfect from the start ? I give you Hebrews 5:8-9. He was certainly sinless, guiltless, innocent, without blemish. Is that the same as perfect ?

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

What does that mean ?
 
So united with Christ still seems different than me saying I'm equal to Christ as that still sounds blasphemous to me. Plus I don't trust AI.. like... at all.
I John 3:2-3 (we are purified....what is your take on sactification ?)

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
 
Jesus is God made man.

All men are created equal.

Therefore, if we are both men, we are both equal.

However, maybe the flip side is true.

Maybe if because, like Jesus, I am a man, then I am equal to Jesus in another way.

Maybe all men are also necessarily God.

(I use “man” and “men” in the old fashioned way. Substitute “person” or “people,” instead and the meaning doesn’t change.).
 
Jesus commanded us (he didn't suggest it) to "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matt 5:48).

Now, is he giving us commandments we can't keep (that hardly seems right).

Or is he looking at the bigger (beyond mortality) picture because he knows something we don't (or didn't) ?
It is helpful to go back to the etymology of the word now translated as "perfect". In both Aramaic and Hebrew the better translation is 'wholeness' or 'completeness'. Before Jesus uses the word 'perfect', Jesus is talking about love of enemies, those we don't agree with, those who persecute us and our beliefs. God is love and He loves everyone. Therefore, the wholeness of human love is to extend to those we find hard to love. Jesus is teaching us to become whole and complete in how and who we love.
 
It is helpful to go back to the etymology of the word now translated as "perfect". In both Aramaic and Hebrew the better translation is 'wholeness' or 'completeness'. Before Jesus uses the word 'perfect', Jesus is talking about love of enemies, those we don't agree with, those who persecute us and our beliefs. God is love and He loves everyone. Therefore, the wholeness of human love is to extend to those we find hard to love. Jesus is teaching us to become whole and complete in how and who we love.
It is fine to take this under consideration, but the verse does not say whole or complete....it says perfect.

And it calls into question what was said in Hebrews 5 about him being made perfect.

Regardless of the word's ultimate meaning, in Matthew we are commanded to become something and that something is what he became.

If we are not using the word perfect in the bible the same way that we use it today, then just what did Jesus become (being made "perfect" through the things that he suffered) ? What is the difference ?
I'm not sure but Jesus was the only one who was ever perfect and that's all I know.

What does that mean to you ? Perfect in todays language or something else as described above ?
 
Here in Ephesians, we see that the purpose of the organized church is to accomplish an objective:

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

And once again, we see the use of the word perfect and perfecting (become perfect). The objective is to come unto the measure of the fullnes of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

Wouldn't it be great to have someone in authority to tell us just what these things mean.
 
It is fine to take this under consideration, but the verse does not say whole or complete....it says perfect.

And it calls into question what was said in Hebrews 5 about him being made perfect.

Regardless of the word's ultimate meaning, in Matthew we are commanded to become something and that something is what he became.

If we are not using the word perfect in the bible the same way that we use it today, then just what did Jesus become (being made "perfect" through the things that he suffered) ? What is the difference ?
This is where etymology, the study of words, comes into play. For example, the English 'perfect' did not come to mean 'without flaws' until the fourteenth century. New Testament books were were written in the first century. In Hebrew, Aramaic, and Latin, the word that was later translated into English as 'perfect', based on the Latin (perfectus) meant complete of whole. The Greek word (téleios) translated into English as 'perfect' had that same definition as complete, whole, but additionally, it meant completed or fulfilled its purpose. Jesus certainly was known for fulfilling the purpose for which he came.

It is common for English words to change meaning overtime. That is not true of Hebrew, and happens less in Latin/Greek.
 
This is where etymology, the study of words, comes into play. For example, the English 'perfect' did not come to mean 'without flaws' until the fourteenth century. New Testament books were were written in the first century. In Hebrew, Aramaic, and Latin, the word that was later translated into English as 'perfect', based on the Latin (perfectus) meant complete of whole. The Greek word (téleios) translated into English as 'perfect' had that same definition as complete, whole, but additionally, it meant completed or fulfilled its purpose. Jesus certainly was known for fulfilling the purpose for which he came.

It is common for English words to change meaning overtime. That is not true of Hebrew, and happens less in Latin/Greek.

I appreciate your comment and certainly give credence to what you've stated.

However, the verses in Hebrews would indicate an internal state or condition (being made perfect) and not just a accomplishment or completion.

So the question is, just what is meant in Matthew 5:48. The preceding versus appear to point to a state you achieve, not a particular objective. In my world it is "becoming" like Jesus. Which is consistent with the verses in Ephesians.

The question this thread poses is....are we equal to Christ (as stated by the subject of the OP).

While we have all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, there is the implication that we are to become as Christ is (and just what does that mean ?).

It appears to me that we are told to achieve a state (something ongoing).
 
So, again, I'll ask....was he giving a commandment he knew we could not fulfill ?

And was he perfect from the start ? I give you Hebrews 5:8-9. He was certainly sinless, guiltless, innocent, without blemish. Is that the same as perfect ?

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

What does that mean ?

I honestly don't know.

I John 3:2-3 (we are purified....what is your take on sactification ?)

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Again I don't know as all of that is way too much for me to wrap my head around.

It is fine to take this under consideration, but the verse does not say whole or complete....it says perfect.

And it calls into question what was said in Hebrews 5 about him being made perfect.

Regardless of the word's ultimate meaning, in Matthew we are commanded to become something and that something is what he became.

If we are not using the word perfect in the bible the same way that we use it today, then just what did Jesus become (being made "perfect" through the things that he suffered) ? What is the difference ?


What does that mean to you ? Perfect in todays language or something else as described above ?

That part I do know. Perfect in the sense that Jesus never sinned.
 
I appreciate your comment and certainly give credence to what you've stated.

However, the verses in Hebrews would indicate an internal state or condition (being made perfect) and not just a accomplishment or completion.

So the question is, just what is meant in Matthew 5:48. The preceding versus appear to point to a state you achieve, not a particular objective. In my world it is "becoming" like Jesus. Which is consistent with the verses in Ephesians.

The question this thread poses is....are we equal to Christ (as stated by the subject of the OP).

While we have all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, there is the implication that we are to become as Christ is (and just what does that mean ?).

It appears to me that we are told to achieve a state (something ongoing).
God is love and goodness, and it follows, so is His creation. In all cultures across the world, there is this element of love and goodness, but in humanity, it is also broken. Humans wanted to be like God. Imagine all of humanity wanting to be like God, loving and good. But we also wanted knowledge, and that knowledge includes knowing evil. Here emerged the brokenness of mankind, as evil can be pleasurable, its power can be enticing, and both those erode human love and goodness.

The bulk of humanity do want to be like God, like Christ and always choose love and goodness as God does. In our brokenness (which I often consider our immaturity), self can get in the way, because self is powerful and often self wants what self wants--even when what self wants does not reach the premier standards of love and goodness. We haven't yet the strength (another way of saying we are sinners).

Broken sinners. Yes, that can accurately describe humanity, but are rather discouraging terms. More encouraging terms are burgeoning fledglings. We have not yet grown into all the love and goodness that is not only our potential, but also our ability to become.

You are correct, our growth in love and goodness is ongoing. I hesitate at the word 'achieve' because just as a child cannot 'achieve' adulthood (one naturally becomes an adult) the same may be true of person God has blessed us to be/become. He has assured us our sins are forgiven, His very love and goodness is the sacrifice offered for the sins/faults/shortcomings of mankind. In other words, we are to proceed in this love.
 
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