berg80
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Of course it can be independent.The Justice Department is part of the executive branch. It cannot be independent of the President and the President's powers.
The whole trope of it being independent is not based on the Constitution nor is it based in any Law.
Of course it can be independent.
For it to be politicized is extremely dangerous
Nonsense.No, it can't be. All power in the Executive flows from the elected President. The balance to the Executive is the Judiciary and the Legislative, not some bastard agency outside the triad.
And Obama and Biden politicized it far more than anything Trump has done with it.
Nonsense.
It has always been an agency where the head is appointed but day to day operations are not controlled by the President.
Nixon usurped that and it was a big part of why he was forced to resign.
Trump is blatantly going after political opponents and anyone not sufficiently loyal to HIM.
And no. Neither Biden nor Obama did that.
If they had Trump would have been in jail years ago. Garland slow walked everything
Smith tried his case in Florida (allowing Trump appointed judges to dismiss the case).
If they were out to “get Trump” he would have been tried in DC…
Mr. Trump has at the same time anointed himself the country’s law enforcer in chief, eliciting shock as he has bulldozed the department’s longstanding independence from the White House. That boundary had historically ensured that criminal prosecutions were based on evidence, not partisan motives.
Repeatedly this year Mr. Trump has redirected the department’s traditional power to enforce laws and prosecute criminal cases to hound his critics and political foes. Mr. Trump and his aides have ordered the department to launch investigations and lodge criminal charges over the objections of nonpartisan career lawyers who found the evidence of wrongdoing dubious or slim.
The cumulative damage done to the once-respected Justice Department is so profound that it may not regain any semblance of its former self in our lifetimes, warn career law enforcement officials with whom we have spoken. It’s impossible to discount as hyperbole the alarm that these longtime civil servants are sounding from inside the house.
Many federal prosecutors and F.B.I. agents who recently worked for the department or who still do are disconsolate at the dizzying speed with which they see their beloved institution breaking the founders’ promise that American citizens be punished according to the law, rather than a king’s whims.
I'd like to think that assessment is too pessimistic. Whether it is will depend more on trumpery's lasting affect on the former GOP than anything else. If rank and file Repub voters continue to return folks like Gym Jordan, Mike Lee, and Jim Comer to Congress then it will prove to be correct.

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Obama and Biden did no such thing.All work done by the Executive is under the power of the President. It's why they have to appoint "special counsel" when things involve the Presidency. Even that should be handled only by the legislature to be true to the Constitution.
Biden and Obama did it, and you just ignore it.
Your take on reality just shows you need more meds or should lay off the drugs.
That and the cock.
Obama and Biden did no such thing.
If they had , Trump would be in jail now.
You know that’s bullshit of course.Not for lack of trying, but for lack of actual crimes. And they delegated some of it to their State level cronies.
You know that’s bullshit of course.
The fact that feel the need to resort to that canard says all that needs to be said about your argumentKeep pretending it's not reality, right up there with pretending women can have penises.
The fact that feel the need to resort to that canard says all that needs to be said about your argument
Never in American history has any person been as persecuted and prosecuted ... and for no reason. Strictly political because Trump's the biggest threat to the Deep State and the creeping socialism/communism that the Democrats thirst for.Not for lack of trying, but for lack of actual crimes. And they delegated some of it to their State level cronies.
It will hard for the next President to unravel the mess he has made of the DOJ... They have gutted independent prosecutors and replaced with loyalists, each one trying to out do each other with more ludicrous prosecutions...Mr. Trump has at the same time anointed himself the country’s law enforcer in chief, eliciting shock as he has bulldozed the department’s longstanding independence from the White House. That boundary had historically ensured that criminal prosecutions were based on evidence, not partisan motives.
Repeatedly this year Mr. Trump has redirected the department’s traditional power to enforce laws and prosecute criminal cases to hound his critics and political foes. Mr. Trump and his aides have ordered the department to launch investigations and lodge criminal charges over the objections of nonpartisan career lawyers who found the evidence of wrongdoing dubious or slim.
The cumulative damage done to the once-respected Justice Department is so profound that it may not regain any semblance of its former self in our lifetimes, warn career law enforcement officials with whom we have spoken. It’s impossible to discount as hyperbole the alarm that these longtime civil servants are sounding from inside the house.
Many federal prosecutors and F.B.I. agents who recently worked for the department or who still do are disconsolate at the dizzying speed with which they see their beloved institution breaking the founders’ promise that American citizens be punished according to the law, rather than a king’s whims.
I'd like to think that assessment is too pessimistic. Whether it is will depend more on trumpery's lasting affect on the former GOP than anything else. If rank and file Repub voters continue to return folks like Gym Jordan, Mike Lee, and Jim Comer to Congress then it will prove to be correct.
It will hard for the next President to unravel the mess he has made of the DOJ... They have gutted independent prosecutors and replaced with loyalists, each one trying to out do each other with more ludicrous prosecutions...
The next president is going to have a line of malicious prosecution cases to deal with... Comey looks like it will have to be settled, it looks ridiculous... Latifa James might have a payout... Jack Smith if it comes up is a certain payout...
Bolton might not, he might have actually broke the law and was originally been investigated by the Biden admin...
There is no law to make them independent...The Justice Department is part of the executive branch. It cannot be independent of the President and the President's powers.
The whole trope of it being independent is not based on the Constitution nor is it based in any Law.
There is no law to make them independent...
But I think the President not be able to claim executive privilege if he ordered a prosecutuion of an individual or group.
President orders it and it looks like selective prosecution from the start.
That is why previous Presidents don't get involved... Any interference could be argued as selective and the case is thrown out..
Read next post and know why they have independence...The DOJ is not independent of the Executive Branch.
Read next post and know why they have independence...
Comey will easily win, he will then sue the state, President probably won't get executive privilege for selective prosecution. Comey will thank Trump for the pay out..