Even the government itself admitted in the 70's there was a conspiracy to kill JFK.

[daws101]

False. And you need to stop emoting and provide links to back up your false claims. And you need to get up to date...

Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City

It was 1993, the 30th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, when FRONTLINE first aired its documentary, “Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?” In that program FRONTLINE concluded, “What now seems certain is that the CIA is still covering up its contact with Lee Harvey Oswald.”

Now, 10 years later, much material has been made available to the American public which sheds light on what the CIA had been hiding for 40 years. This new information is the result of the U.S. Congress passing the 1993 “JFK Records Act,” which mandated the full release of all government files relating to the assassination of President Kennedy and created a civilian Assassination Records Review Board to oversee this process. By the time the Board’s work was completed in the late 1990s, 6 million pages of documents had been made available to the public in the National Archives.

Arguably, the most startling information so far brought to light by the release of these intelligence records is the CIA cover-up relating to Oswald’s visit to Mexico City.

Oswald was in Mexico City in late September and early October of 1963. During his one-week stay, he tried to obtain visas from the Cuban consulate and Soviet embassy. But intelligence documents released in 1999 establish that, after Oswald failed to get the visas, CIA intercepts showed that someone impersonated Oswald in phone calls made to the Soviet embassy and the Cuban consulate and linked Oswald to a known KGB assassin — Valery Kostikov — whom the CIA and FBI had been following for over a year.

The news of this impersonation and the link to Kostikov, learned within hours of President Kennedy’s assassination, electrified top government and intelligence officials and dominated their discussion in the immediate weeks following the assassination. It also became during the next 40 years one of the CIA’s most closely guarded secrets on the Oswald case.

Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City | Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? | FRONTLINE

What I stated is absolute fact not false had you botherred to read the Warren Commission report you might learn a few things which is where the facts I posted come from.

Bo not tell others to post links when you only post links which lead to others opinion.

The facts and opinion are two different things and none of the OPINIONS which you post are even related to the FACTS which I posted.

The false claim of an Oswald double was debunked decades ago there is no document or recording of a double only beauracratic errors of people in the government who thought they had recordings of Oswald with no basis for comparison.

Those are facts deal with it.

You can throw all the bluster you want at me, but you are talking to someone who knows 1,000 times more about this issue than you do. I will not back down and I will not let your lies pass as facts. And if you are going to 'claim' you are stating facts, you have to back up your claims with links.

I didn't post opinion. It is backed up by declassified government files and the FBI Director. You have to be a fool to bring up the biggest fairy tales as your proof...the Warren Commission.

FBI Director J Edgar Hoover:

"No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there."

the many faces of Oswald was misdirection that backfired imo...

 

[LA RAM FAN]

One of Gerald Posner's disciples.

One of Oliver Stone's acolytes

Guy, you are SOOO far away. It's an okay movie, but it has many missing pieces. Paraphrasing, from someone: "Communism, was blown up to be much more, than it actually was in reality." Reality is MUCH stranger than fiction.

Believest thou this, sir.

I love how the agent NAZI troll likes to act like stone is the only one out there saying there was a conspiracy ingoring facts that there were MANY researchers that were pioneers way back in the mid 60's whos earlier worked exposed the lies of the warren commission.

By the way dont waste your time on this government agent hack soupnazi.this paid shill goes around to message boards everywhere posting his lies and bullshit about oswald being the lone assassin.

He is just seeking attention,best to do what i did with him years ago,put him on your ignore list and watch him make a fool out of himself talking to himself actually addressing you believing you read his rants and ramblings. how sad and pathetic he is .

when someone here tells me they have put me on THEIR ignore list,"which a few of them have done." I dont keep replying back to their posts addressing them as though they are reading them like this idiot retard does." man his life is so sad and pathetic the way he is so desperate for attention from me addressing them all the time in the FIRST person." thats how these government agents operate.they are so wacked out for attention they talk to themselves.

This paid troll ignores facts that stone did what the warren commission never did,researched the case for YEARS before making the film.He poured over hundreds of thousands of documents form the case and thats what the film is based on. He obtained those documents from a reseacher who lived in dallas for over 30 before he died in the mid 90's who had devoted his life to the jfk assassination.

stones film wasnt accurate down to the wire,but it was 100 times closer to the truth on what actually REALLY happend than what the warren commission said.

there are only a few things that are not accurate in the film like there was never a a david logan played by kevin bacon for instance.

His character was a composite combination of 3 different characters actually and Garrsion never met with fletcher prouty who is the character x portrayed in the movie.

they never met during the time garrison was doing his investigation,however they DID correspond with each over the years after the trial though through letters.They finally met each ther during the filming for the movie.Prouty was a consultant for stone on the movie.

matter of fact at a dallas conference i was at once there was this person in the audience that asked the researcher in texas how accurate the film was and he said about 95%.

matter of that the diologue in the movie where Garrisons wife says to him-"you know,sometimes i think you care more about john kennedy than you do about your family and what goes on in this household" that wasnt actually a conversation that took place with Garrison and is wife,but it WAS actually a conversation that took place between that dallas reseacher that stone consulted for the film over the years and HIS wife."

that dallas reseacher was obsessed with the kennedy asssassination since 1964 that he devoted his entire life reading documents and intrviewing witnesses that were there that day over the years.He was so obsessed with it matter of fact that if he wasnt sleeping or orking,thats all he ever did was investigate the JFK assassination. Hs obsession with it took a toll on his family life at home matter of fact.

 

[Bfgrn]

What I stated is absolute fact not false had you botherred to read the Warren Commission report you might learn a few things which is where the facts I posted come from.

Bo not tell others to post links when you only post links which lead to others opinion.

The facts and opinion are two different things and none of the OPINIONS which you post are even related to the FACTS which I posted.

The false claim of an Oswald double was debunked decades ago there is no document or recording of a double only beauracratic errors of people in the government who thought they had recordings of Oswald with no basis for comparison.

Those are facts deal with it.

You can throw all the bluster you want at me, but you are talking to someone who knows 1,000 times more about this issue than you do. I will not back down and I will not let your lies pass as facts. And if you are going to 'claim' you are stating facts, you have to back up your claims with links.

I didn't post opinion. It is backed up by declassified government files and the FBI Director. You have to be a fool to bring up the biggest fairy tales as your proof...the Warren Commission.

FBI Director J Edgar Hoover:

"No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there."

the many faces of Oswald was misdirection that backfired imo...

If Oswald was some obscure loser who nobody knew about until November 22, 1963, why would an imposter go to the trouble of showing up at the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, impersonating Oswald and make phone calls to the Soviet embassy and the Cuban consulate and link Oswald to a known KGB assassin Valery Kostikov?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I hardly argue with people on these forums any more, I sort of came to conclusion that I am living in a world of illusions, and the notion that the world has 7 billion people must be just my imagination, or perhaps the trillions of leaves around me are more intelligent than those people because at least they do not argue against reason.

I am more interested in uniting the few people like you than educating those who do not want to be educated.

Trust me the ones that keep coming back and endoring the lies of the warren commission that oswald did it are government agent trolls that have penetrated this site to try and derail any kind of truth discussion about government corruption going on.

the farts jokes are the only comment they are worthy of cause they are just here to try and waste your time.those 6 agents that farted after your last post,you would be wise to do what i have done with them.I put them on ignore years ago. anything that proves them wrong they ignore and you just end up repeating yourself over and over and over again.

I hear you loud and clear. I did not pay attention to their posts, but I trust you because you are a reliable source. there are certain things I look for in posts, there has to be a system to filter out the garbage. I noticed it back in 2000. a lot of them even copy/paste true stories, conspiracies that are actually true, and pose as real independents. so my solution to this is one and only, as I describe well in pvsi.net biggest criminals:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVuKdd8nsi8]society and people are not stupid they just like you do not know where to turn for a solution - YouTube[/ame]

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I'm not sure whether or not this has already been posted:

Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives
Summary of Findings and Recommendations
Summary of Findings (from the National Archives)

1) Under 1:2-2---"Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations."

2) "3. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy."

Whether Oswald acted alone or not, is irrelevant. The motive, is what is relevant.

Namaste

these government agent paid hacks lke rat in the ass,candyass,and soupnazi kid always cover their eyes everytime you post these facts since it proves what retards they are saying oswald was the lone assassin. They have memory and reading comprehension problems because you mention that a 1000 times and they can NEVER GRASP that little fact.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

One of Gerald Posner's disciples.

yeah this paid internet hack troll worships Posner to no end.Probably good pals with him. Posner was once invited to come down to a november in dallas confernce to talk about his book but the coward refused to show up because he knew they would tear apart all his lies and couldnt stand toe to toe with them in a debate just like this troll cant.

posner has been exposed lying so much in his book case closed. For instance,he goes on to say in his book that the reason there was no record of the man who was taken into the hospital from dealy plaza for his alleged seizure he had was because according to posner,when the ambulance driver got to the hospital,the man was feeling much better so he told the driver and the attendants that took him there,that he didnt need to go in and be admitted. thats pure bullshit though.I talked to the driver of that ambulance about that on what posner said and HE told me just like has told everyone,that the guy just got up and ran off left and said nothing to them when they got there.

posner and this nazi hack have been exposed for the lying trolls they are.

Just like posner,this NAZI prick here,can only sling shit in defeat like the monkey troll he is.

 

[Soupnazi630]

One of Gerald Posner's disciples.

One of Oliver Stone's acolytes

Guy, you are SOOO far away. It's an okay movie, but it has many missing pieces. Paraphrasing, from someone: "Communism, was blown up to be much more, than it actually was in reality." Reality is MUCH stranger than fiction.

Believest thou this, sir.

But you believe you are right on target.

You were speaking in ignorance

 

[mskafka]

But you believe you are right on target.

You were speaking in ignorance

Nazi, I don't know what your incentive is to totally trash others' theories, or insights. It must be money, or the belief in your superior intellect over that of other Americans. Or maybe, you actually believe it.

If you actually have some insight into some of the groups/individuals who have been fingered in the many conspiracy theories, I would love to read it. Otherwise, you're just another person who has read several books, and watched a lot of documentaries on the ballistics evidence of the assassination. Okay... I can live with-"Oswald acted alone."-as long as that statement means he was the lone shooter.
But to suggest that he had no other motives, other than being an avowed Communist; you're kidding, right?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

But you believe you are right on target.

You were speaking in ignorance

Nazi, I don't know what your incentive is to totally trash others' theories, or insights. It must be money, or the belief in your superior intellect over that of other Americans. Or maybe, you actually believe it.

If you actually have some insight into some of the groups/individuals who have been fingered in the many conspiracy theories, I would love to read it. Otherwise, you're just another person who has read several books, and watched a lot of documentaries on the ballistics evidence of the assassination. Okay... I can live with-"Oswald acted alone."-as long as that statement means he was the lone shooter.
But to suggest that he had no other motives, other than being an avowed Communist; you're kidding, right?

Dude why do you keep playing this nazi trolls game giving him the attention he seeks replying to him? why do you keep taking his bait to waste you time while he sits back and laughs knowing he is getting the attention from you he desperately seeks?
this paid government hack goes to SEVERAL message boards trolling everyday all day long night and day.there is another one on here as well that also does that.

Havent you heard this old saying below?



advise you would be wise to follow.
let him keep coming back and shit all over the floor like he does here everyday.

 

[Rockland]

"Paid government troll" = "Anyone who doesn't think like 9/11 Whackjob". Thing is, no one sane does.

Go ahead and make your fart post, Whackjob. I know you're reading this.

 

[pvsi]

must see video.
The Obama Deception HQ Full length version - YouTube

My friend, I have a comment on your must see video. I watched the whole nearly 2 hours of it, and I agree with 99% or 100% of what they are saying, but one problem. I also agree with pretty much everything Hillary Clinton was saying about criminal Bush when she was trying to get elected. problem is these trolls offer no solution, you told me before you could easily get in touch with Alex Jones, I tried hard and could not, even though I have a story to tell, and my two dogs were just shot December 4th because I was making videos about these same international bankers.

difference between me and Alex Jones - Alex jones is is allowed on establishment media, that is how he gained recognition, and his solution according to his info wars web site is to buy his iodine and food packets, and donate to his money bomb.

ME - I had my dogs shot near my property to send me a message not to talk against the establishment, I was never allowed spotlight on the establishment media, and I have a very clear solution on newworldgovernment.net

Conclusion - Alex Jones and his crew a bunch of establishment backed ding bats that can not even respond to all my messages I left on their phone.

Petition to get this dingbat to take my notice:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/549/465/754/#sign
my video attempt to get in touch with this dingbat:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9OmOdXjn6Y]Official attempt to reach out to Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura - YouTube[/ame]

 

[mskafka]

I'm glad that so many of you believe that Oswald acted alone, and that it was simply his FERVOR for Communism. Okay, so maybe he was a rabid communist, and just wanted to kill Kennedy; because in his mind, Kennedy had it in for the Soviet Union. Or maybe, a KGB agent approached him, and offered him a hefty sum to assassinate JFK (because it's a well-known fact that Oswald was strapped for cash). I would buy that, before I would buy that it was just his passion. But I still don't believe this was the motive.

But what if all an individual's information DOESN'T come from a documentary, article, or a book? They're a nut. Okay. That makes sense.

 

[daws101]

must see video.
The Obama Deception HQ Full length version - YouTube

My friend, I have a comment on your must see video. I watched the whole nearly 2 hours of it, and I agree with 99% or 100% of what they are saying, but one problem. I also agree with pretty much everything Hillary Clinton was saying about criminal Bush when she was trying to get elected. problem is these trolls offer no solution, you told me before you could easily get in touch with Alex Jones, I tried hard and could not, even though I have a story to tell, and my two dogs were just shot December 4th because I was making videos about these same international bankers.

difference between me and Alex Jones - Alex jones is is allowed on establishment media, that is how he gained recognition, and his solution according to his info wars web site is to buy his iodine and food packets, and donate to his money bomb.

ME - I had my dogs shot near my property to send me a message not to talk against the establishment, I was never allowed spotlight on the establishment media, and I have a very clear solution on newworldgovernment.net

Conclusion - Alex Jones and his crew a bunch of establishment backed ding bats that can not even respond to all my messages I left on their phone.

Petition to get this dingbat to take my notice:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/549/465/754/#sign
my video attempt to get in touch with this dingbat:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9OmOdXjn6Y]Official attempt to reach out to Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura - YouTube[/ame]

is it just me or is there something similar about pvsi's photo and this one?:

 

[skookerasbil]

9/11......I concur......but listen.......you got exactly 2 kinds of people in this forum. Assholes who get paid to perpetuate the established myths and the hopelessly duped who insist on living in the world of comfy at all costs.

That's why I don't spend too much time in this forum dude.......these people can live 100 more years and the heads will stay firmly planted in the sand. I suspect however that you do have one or possibly two members in here who are definitely on somebody else's dime. Think about it......those not interested in any kind of truth would not be in here due to curiosity with any new information. Indeed, is dismissed out of hand. So....why are they in here??


Don't waste your time with these matrix dwellars.


Here is a site for you that can keep you occupied for months >>>

Cutting Through the Matrix with Alan Watt - Clearing the rubbish from the road to reality

 

[LA RAM FAN]

9/11......I concur......but listen.......you got exactly 2 kinds of people in this forum. Assholes who get paid to perpetuate the established myths and the hopelessly duped who insist on living in the world of comfy at all costs.

That's why I don't spend too much time in this forum dude.......these people can live 100 more years and the heads will stay firmly planted in the sand. I suspect however that you do have one or possibly two members in here who are definitely on somebody else's dime. Think about it......those not interested in any kind of truth would not be in here due to curiosity with any new information. Indeed, is dismissed out of hand. So....why are they in here??


Don't waste your time with these matrix dwellars.


Here is a site for you that can keep you occupied for months >>>

Cutting Through the Matrix with Alan Watt - Clearing the rubbish from the road to reality

Dude you havent been following my posts obviously because I am the wrong person for you to be telling that to.Had you been following my posts you would notice that I NEVER play the game of these trolls and reply to them taking their bait having them waste my time like they want to. i never waste my time on these paid government hacks like dawgshit,rat in the ass who just replied recently,or soupnazi-what a total dumbfuck that idiot troll is,he doesnt even try and hide it that he is a goverment agent.He comes out and advertises it with his name NAZI. a dead give away right there he is a paid government troll. In fact "I" am always trying to advise people the advise your giving me now.you obviously missed this last post of mine below.

Dude why do you keep playing this nazi trolls game giving him the attention he seeks replying to him? why do you keep taking his bait to waste you time while he sits back and laughs knowing he is getting the attention from you he desperately seeks?
this paid government hack goes to SEVERAL message boards trolling everyday all day long night and day.there is another one on here as well that also does that.

Havent you heard this old saying below?



advise you would be wise to follow.
let him keep coming back and shit all over the floor like he does here everyday.
__________________

 

[pvsi]

another classic conspiracy theorist dodge.

If you have a question I will be happy to answer if I can.

Hey PVSI,have you head this story before? It blows up the lies of the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin.How convenient for the government she died before the Garrison trial took place huh?


Rose Cheramie: How She Predicted the JFK Assassination

By Jim DiEugenio
On November 20, 1963, Lt. Francis Fruge of the Louisiana State Police received a phone call from Moosa Memorial Hospital in Eunice. A Mrs. Louise Guillory, the hospital administrator told him that there was an accident victim in the emergency ward. Guillory knew that Fruge worked the narcotics detail and she felt that the woman was under the influence of drugs.

Fruge immediately left for the hospital. When he got there he encountered a middle-aged white female sitting down in the waiting room outside emergency. There were no serious injuries; only bruises and abrasions. She was only partly coherent. But Moosa was a private hospital and since the woman seemed bereft of funds, Guillory had called Fruge to see what he could do to help. The woman identified herself to Fruge as Rose Cheramie.

Fruge had no choice at the time except to place Cheramie in the Eunice City Jail. He then went out to attend the Eunice Police Department’s Annual Ball. About an hour later a police officer came over to the function and told Fruge that Cheramie was undergoing withdrawal symptoms. Fruge came back and, after recognizing the condition, called a local doctor, Dr. Derouin, from the coroner’s office. Derouin administered a sedative via syringe to calm her down. The doctor then suggested that she be removed from the jail and taken to the state facility in Jackson. After Fruge agreed, Derouin called the facility at about midnight on the 20th and made arrangements for her delivery there. Afterwards, Fruge called Charity Hospital in Lafayette and ordered an ambulance for the transport to the hospital.

Fruge accompanied Cheramie to the hospital. And, according to his House Select Committee deposition, it was at this point that Rose began to relate her fascinating and astonishing tale. Calmed by the sedative, and according to Fruge, quite lucid, she began to respond to some routine questions with some quite unusual answers. She told him that she was en route from Florida to Dallas with two men who looked Cuban or Italian. The men told her that they were going to kill the president in Dallas in just a few days. Cheramie herself was not part of the plot but apparently the men were also part of a large dope ring with Rose since Cheramie’s function was as a courier of funds for heroin which was to be dropped off to her by a seaman coming into the port of Galveston. She was to pick up the money for the drugs from a man who was holding her child. It seemed a quite intricate dope ring since she was then to transport the heroin to Mexico. The two men were supposed to accompany her to Mexico but the whole transaction got short-circuited on Highway 190 near Eunice. In the confines of a seedy bar called the Silver Slipper Lounge, Cheramie’s two friends were met by a third party. Rose left with the two men she came with. But a short distance away from the bar, an argument apparently ensued. And although some have written that she was thrown out of the vehicle and hit by an oncoming car, according to Fruge, Rose said that the argument took place inside the Silver Slipper, and that the two men and the manager, Mac Manual, threw her out. While hitchhiking on the 190, she was hit by a car driven by one Frank Odom. It was Odom who then delivered her to Moosa. As Fruge so memorably recalled to Jonathan Blackmer of the HSCA, Cheramie summed up her itinerary in Dallas in the following manner: "She said she was going to, number one, pick up some money, pick up her baby, and to kill Kennedy." (p. 9 of Fruge’s 4/18/78 deposition)

At the hospital, Cheramie again predicted the assassination. On November 22nd, several nurses were watching television with Cheramie. According to these witnesses, "…during the telecast moments before Kennedy was shot Rose Cheramie stated to them, ‘This is when it is going to happen’ and at that moment Kennedy was assassinated. The nurses, in turn, told others of Cheramie’s prognostication." (Memo of Frank Meloche to Louis Ivon, 5/22/67. Although the Dallas motorcade was not broadcast live on the major networks, the nurses were likely referring to the spot reports that circulated through local channels in the vicinity of the trip. Of course, the assassination itself was reported on by network television almost immediately after it happened.) Further, according to a psychiatrist there, Dr. Victor Weiss, Rose "…told him that she knew both Ruby and Oswald and had seen them sitting together on occasions at Ruby’s club." (Ibid., 3/13/67) In fact, Fruge later confirmed the fact that she had worked as a stripper for Ruby. (Louisiana State Police report of 4/4/67.)

Fruge had discounted Cheramie’s earlier comments to him as drug-induced delusions. Or, as he said to Blackmer, "When she came out with the Kennedy business, I just said, wait a minute, wait a minute, something wrong here somewhere." (Fruge, HSCA deposition, p. 9) He further described her in this manner:

Now, bear in mind that she talked: she’d talk for awhile, looks like the shots would have effect on her again and she’d go in, you know, she’d just get numb, and after awhile she’d just start talking again. (Ibid.)

But apparently, at the time of the assassination Cheramie appeared fine. The word spread throughout the hospital that she had predicted Kennedy’s murder in advance. Dr. Wayne Owen, who had been interning from LSU at the time, later told the Madison Capital Times that he and other interns were told of the plot in advance of the assassination. Amazingly, Cheramie even predicted the role of her former boss Jack Ruby because Owen was quoted as saying that one of the interns was told "…that one of the men involved in the plot was a man named Jack Rubinstein." (2/11/68) Owen said that they shrugged it off at the time. But when they learned that Rubinstein was Ruby they grew quite concerned. "We were all assured that something would be done about it by the FBI or someone. Yet we never heard anything." (Ibid.) In fact, Cheramie’s association with Ruby was also revealed to Dr. Weiss. For in an interview with him after the assassination, Rose revealed that she had worked as a drug courier for Jack Ruby. (Memo of Frank Meloche to Jim Garrison, 2/23/67) In the same memo, there is further elaboration on this important point:

I believe she also mentioned that she worked in the night club for Ruby and that she was forced to go to Florida with another man whom she did not name to pick up a shipment of dope to take back to Dallas, that she didn’t want to do this thing but she had a young child and that they would hurt her child if she didn’t.

These comments are, of course, very revealing about Ruby’s role in both an intricate drug smuggling scheme and, at the least, his probable acquaintance with men who either had knowledge of, or were actually involved in, the assassination. This is a major point in this story which we will return to later.

Although Fruge had discounted the Cheramie story on November 20th, the events of the 22nd made him a believer. Right after JFK’s murder, Fruge "…called that hospital up in Jackson and told them by no way in the world to turn her loose until I could get my hands on her." (Fruge’s HSCA deposition, p. 12.) So on November 25th, Fruge journeyed up to Jackson again to talk to Cheramie. This time he conducted a much more in-depth interview. Fruge found out that Cheramie had been traveling with the two men from Miami. He also found that the men seemed to be a part of the conspiracy rather than to be just aware of it. After the assassination, they were supposed to stop by a home in Dallas to pick up both around eight thousand dollars plus Rose’s baby. From there Cheramie was supposed to check into the Rice Hotel in Houston under an assumed name. Houston is in close proximity to Galveston, the town from which the drugs were coming in from. From Houston, once the transaction was completed, the trio were headed for Mexico.

How reliable a witness was Cheramie? Extermely. Fruge decided to have the drug deal aspect of her story checked out by the state troopers and U. S. Customs. The officers confirmed the name of the seaman on board the correct ship coming into Galveston. The Customs people checked the Rice Hotel and the reservations had been made for her under an assumed name. The contact who had the money and her baby was checked and his name showed that he was an underworld, suspected narcotics dealer. Fruge checked Cheramie’s baggage and found that one box had baby clothes and shoes inside.

Fruge flew Cheramie from Louisiana to Houston on Tuesday, the 26th. In the back seat of the small Sesna 180, a newspaper was lying between them. One of the headlines read to the effect that "investigators or something had not been able to establish a relationship between Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald." (Fruge’s HSCA deposition p. 19) When Cheramie read this headline, she started to giggle. She then added, "Them two queer sons-of-a-bitches. They’ve been shacking up for years." (Ibid.) She added that she knew this to be true from her experience of working for Ruby. Fruge then had his superior call up Captain Will Fritz of the Dallas Police to relay what an important witness Cheramie could be in his investigation. Fruge related what followed next:

Colonel Morgan called Captain Fritz up from Dallas and told him what we had, the information that we had, that we had a person that had given us this information. And of course there again it was an old friend, and there was a little conversation. But anyway, when Colonel Morgan hung up, he turned around and told us they don’t want her. They’re not interested.

Fruge then asked Cheramie if she wished to try telling her tale to the FBI. She declined. She did not wish to involve herself further. With this, the Cheramie investigation was now halted. Rose was released and Fruge went back to Louisiana. So, just four days after the assassination, with an extremely and provably credible witness alive, with her potentially explosive testimony able to be checked out, the Cheramie testimony was now escorted out to pasture. Eyewitness testimony that Ruby knew Oswald, that Ruby was somehow involved in an international drug circle, that two Latins were aware of and perhaps involved in a plot to kill Kennedy, and that Ruby probably knew the men; this incredible lead—the type investigators pine for—was being shunted aside by Fritz. It would stay offstage until Jim Garrison began to poke into the Kennedy case years later.

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The rest of this article can be found in The Assassinations, edited by Jim DiEugenio and Lisa Pease.




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People who still believe that Kennedy was assassinated by a lone gunmen, are truly delusional. there's a good video about how Kennedy's bodyguards moved aside just before the shots, which is evidence enough to me that they were in on it too. Kennedy spoke out against secrecy, that is why he was shot. I am not much an expert on this subject, but the things I mentioned are obvious and undeniable.

 

[mskafka]

another classic conspiracy theorist dodge.

If you have a question I will be happy to answer if I can.

Hey PVSI,have you head this story before? It blows up the lies of the warren commission that oswald was the lone assassin.How convenient for the government she died before the Garrison trial took place huh?


Rose Cheramie: How She Predicted the JFK Assassination

By Jim DiEugenio
On November 20, 1963, Lt. Francis Fruge of the Louisiana State Police received a phone call from Moosa Memorial Hospital in Eunice. A Mrs. Louise Guillory, the hospital administrator told him that there was an accident victim in the emergency ward. Guillory knew that Fruge worked the narcotics detail and she felt that the woman was under the influence of drugs.

Fruge immediately left for the hospital. When he got there he encountered a middle-aged white female sitting down in the waiting room outside emergency. There were no serious injuries; only bruises and abrasions. She was only partly coherent. But Moosa was a private hospital and since the woman seemed bereft of funds, Guillory had called Fruge to see what he could do to help. The woman identified herself to Fruge as Rose Cheramie.

Fruge had no choice at the time except to place Cheramie in the Eunice City Jail. He then went out to attend the Eunice Police Department’s Annual Ball. About an hour later a police officer came over to the function and told Fruge that Cheramie was undergoing withdrawal symptoms. Fruge came back and, after recognizing the condition, called a local doctor, Dr. Derouin, from the coroner’s office. Derouin administered a sedative via syringe to calm her down. The doctor then suggested that she be removed from the jail and taken to the state facility in Jackson. After Fruge agreed, Derouin called the facility at about midnight on the 20th and made arrangements for her delivery there. Afterwards, Fruge called Charity Hospital in Lafayette and ordered an ambulance for the transport to the hospital.

Fruge accompanied Cheramie to the hospital. And, according to his House Select Committee deposition, it was at this point that Rose began to relate her fascinating and astonishing tale. Calmed by the sedative, and according to Fruge, quite lucid, she began to respond to some routine questions with some quite unusual answers. She told him that she was en route from Florida to Dallas with two men who looked Cuban or Italian. The men told her that they were going to kill the president in Dallas in just a few days. Cheramie herself was not part of the plot but apparently the men were also part of a large dope ring with Rose since Cheramie’s function was as a courier of funds for heroin which was to be dropped off to her by a seaman coming into the port of Galveston. She was to pick up the money for the drugs from a man who was holding her child. It seemed a quite intricate dope ring since she was then to transport the heroin to Mexico. The two men were supposed to accompany her to Mexico but the whole transaction got short-circuited on Highway 190 near Eunice. In the confines of a seedy bar called the Silver Slipper Lounge, Cheramie’s two friends were met by a third party. Rose left with the two men she came with. But a short distance away from the bar, an argument apparently ensued. And although some have written that she was thrown out of the vehicle and hit by an oncoming car, according to Fruge, Rose said that the argument took place inside the Silver Slipper, and that the two men and the manager, Mac Manual, threw her out. While hitchhiking on the 190, she was hit by a car driven by one Frank Odom. It was Odom who then delivered her to Moosa. As Fruge so memorably recalled to Jonathan Blackmer of the HSCA, Cheramie summed up her itinerary in Dallas in the following manner: "She said she was going to, number one, pick up some money, pick up her baby, and to kill Kennedy." (p. 9 of Fruge’s 4/18/78 deposition)

At the hospital, Cheramie again predicted the assassination. On November 22nd, several nurses were watching television with Cheramie. According to these witnesses, "…during the telecast moments before Kennedy was shot Rose Cheramie stated to them, ‘This is when it is going to happen’ and at that moment Kennedy was assassinated. The nurses, in turn, told others of Cheramie’s prognostication." (Memo of Frank Meloche to Louis Ivon, 5/22/67. Although the Dallas motorcade was not broadcast live on the major networks, the nurses were likely referring to the spot reports that circulated through local channels in the vicinity of the trip. Of course, the assassination itself was reported on by network television almost immediately after it happened.) Further, according to a psychiatrist there, Dr. Victor Weiss, Rose "…told him that she knew both Ruby and Oswald and had seen them sitting together on occasions at Ruby’s club." (Ibid., 3/13/67) In fact, Fruge later confirmed the fact that she had worked as a stripper for Ruby. (Louisiana State Police report of 4/4/67.)

Fruge had discounted Cheramie’s earlier comments to him as drug-induced delusions. Or, as he said to Blackmer, "When she came out with the Kennedy business, I just said, wait a minute, wait a minute, something wrong here somewhere." (Fruge, HSCA deposition, p. 9) He further described her in this manner:

Now, bear in mind that she talked: she’d talk for awhile, looks like the shots would have effect on her again and she’d go in, you know, she’d just get numb, and after awhile she’d just start talking again. (Ibid.)

But apparently, at the time of the assassination Cheramie appeared fine. The word spread throughout the hospital that she had predicted Kennedy’s murder in advance. Dr. Wayne Owen, who had been interning from LSU at the time, later told the Madison Capital Times that he and other interns were told of the plot in advance of the assassination. Amazingly, Cheramie even predicted the role of her former boss Jack Ruby because Owen was quoted as saying that one of the interns was told "…that one of the men involved in the plot was a man named Jack Rubinstein." (2/11/68) Owen said that they shrugged it off at the time. But when they learned that Rubinstein was Ruby they grew quite concerned. "We were all assured that something would be done about it by the FBI or someone. Yet we never heard anything." (Ibid.) In fact, Cheramie’s association with Ruby was also revealed to Dr. Weiss. For in an interview with him after the assassination, Rose revealed that she had worked as a drug courier for Jack Ruby. (Memo of Frank Meloche to Jim Garrison, 2/23/67) In the same memo, there is further elaboration on this important point:

I believe she also mentioned that she worked in the night club for Ruby and that she was forced to go to Florida with another man whom she did not name to pick up a shipment of dope to take back to Dallas, that she didn’t want to do this thing but she had a young child and that they would hurt her child if she didn’t.

These comments are, of course, very revealing about Ruby’s role in both an intricate drug smuggling scheme and, at the least, his probable acquaintance with men who either had knowledge of, or were actually involved in, the assassination. This is a major point in this story which we will return to later.

Although Fruge had discounted the Cheramie story on November 20th, the events of the 22nd made him a believer. Right after JFK’s murder, Fruge "…called that hospital up in Jackson and told them by no way in the world to turn her loose until I could get my hands on her." (Fruge’s HSCA deposition, p. 12.) So on November 25th, Fruge journeyed up to Jackson again to talk to Cheramie. This time he conducted a much more in-depth interview. Fruge found out that Cheramie had been traveling with the two men from Miami. He also found that the men seemed to be a part of the conspiracy rather than to be just aware of it. After the assassination, they were supposed to stop by a home in Dallas to pick up both around eight thousand dollars plus Rose’s baby. From there Cheramie was supposed to check into the Rice Hotel in Houston under an assumed name. Houston is in close proximity to Galveston, the town from which the drugs were coming in from. From Houston, once the transaction was completed, the trio were headed for Mexico.

How reliable a witness was Cheramie? Extermely. Fruge decided to have the drug deal aspect of her story checked out by the state troopers and U. S. Customs. The officers confirmed the name of the seaman on board the correct ship coming into Galveston. The Customs people checked the Rice Hotel and the reservations had been made for her under an assumed name. The contact who had the money and her baby was checked and his name showed that he was an underworld, suspected narcotics dealer. Fruge checked Cheramie’s baggage and found that one box had baby clothes and shoes inside.

Fruge flew Cheramie from Louisiana to Houston on Tuesday, the 26th. In the back seat of the small Sesna 180, a newspaper was lying between them. One of the headlines read to the effect that "investigators or something had not been able to establish a relationship between Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald." (Fruge’s HSCA deposition p. 19) When Cheramie read this headline, she started to giggle. She then added, "Them two queer sons-of-a-bitches. They’ve been shacking up for years." (Ibid.) She added that she knew this to be true from her experience of working for Ruby. Fruge then had his superior call up Captain Will Fritz of the Dallas Police to relay what an important witness Cheramie could be in his investigation. Fruge related what followed next:

Colonel Morgan called Captain Fritz up from Dallas and told him what we had, the information that we had, that we had a person that had given us this information. And of course there again it was an old friend, and there was a little conversation. But anyway, when Colonel Morgan hung up, he turned around and told us they don’t want her. They’re not interested.

Fruge then asked Cheramie if she wished to try telling her tale to the FBI. She declined. She did not wish to involve herself further. With this, the Cheramie investigation was now halted. Rose was released and Fruge went back to Louisiana. So, just four days after the assassination, with an extremely and provably credible witness alive, with her potentially explosive testimony able to be checked out, the Cheramie testimony was now escorted out to pasture. Eyewitness testimony that Ruby knew Oswald, that Ruby was somehow involved in an international drug circle, that two Latins were aware of and perhaps involved in a plot to kill Kennedy, and that Ruby probably knew the men; this incredible lead—the type investigators pine for—was being shunted aside by Fritz. It would stay offstage until Jim Garrison began to poke into the Kennedy case years later.

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The rest of this article can be found in The Assassinations, edited by Jim DiEugenio and Lisa Pease.




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[mskafka]

There were many suspicious, and some not-so-suspicious deaths, that occurred after the assassination.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

There were many suspicious, and some not-so-suspicious deaths, that occurred after the assassination.

LOL!

There were many suspicious, and some not-so-suspicious deaths, that occurred after the assassination ...
of Julius Caesar.

 

[daws101]

There were many suspicious, and some not-so-suspicious deaths, that occurred after the assassination.

to be more accurate the deaths that occurred after are imagined to be suspicious..
something you conspiracy guys should keep in mind " people will find what they are looking for especially when it's not there." -unknown