Even if Biden wins, it doesn’t matter.

[WillowTree]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

Nonsense, we see the news stories and the links, the arrests. The left supports all manner of perversity including pedophiles. Did I mention hollywood?

Disagree. I see support for underage marriage coming from the right for example (remember Duck Dynasty?). What adults do with other adults is their business. As a leftist, I strongly support protecting children, having a legal marriage age where children aren't marrying children, but finishing their education instead. That's my leftist thinking.

You can't see the forests for the trees....and why you're not taken seriously....and you're not

I don't much care who does or does not take me seriously. Your opinion is worthless these days. It just devolves into an insult fest rather than any dialogue.

I would rather spend time with those interested in discussion.

And yet your fat sss was right here as the insults against a Trump and his supporters flew! Why don’t ewe cry us a fucking river!

 

[OldLady]

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems

It's what ended the Roman Republic. Greed and power hungriness in their wealthy Senate brought it about. I can only watch, smh.

 

[22lcidw]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

You mean lowering the IQ over decades while pushing Prog Socialist agendas in education, TV and the movies while destroying traditional families and moving to an African village value. This while still having Nukes and other technology from the past and put into the hands of men and women who will never compete with the East Asians. What can go wrong?

 

[Rogue AI]

The gulf is too wide between the ideologies.

That is what I fear....but there have to be some commonalities on which to build a bridge or we are doomed.

The left is doomed, just a matter of time. Too many groups pandered to that have only loosely been held together by hating Trump. If Biden somehow wins they will fall upon each other. The right isn't going anywhere. Especially since the whiney RINOs have been rejected and ejected.

Is it? Wasn't Trump elected based largely on hatred of Clinton?

RINOS/DINOS - those are the centrists. Ejecting them means both parties go to their extremes....that is good?

Trump won on immigration, putting conservatives on the bench, and hopes of a great economy. Hillary hating was just a bonus. Trump delivered.

Getting rid of the RINOs still makes Republicans more moderate than socialists and the commies the left has embraced.

 

[Coyote]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

 

[Coyote]

The gulf is too wide between the ideologies.

That is what I fear....but there have to be some commonalities on which to build a bridge or we are doomed.

The left is doomed, just a matter of time. Too many groups pandered to that have only loosely been held together by hating Trump. If Biden somehow wins they will fall upon each other. The right isn't going anywhere. Especially since the whiney RINOs have been rejected and ejected.

Is it? Wasn't Trump elected based largely on hatred of Clinton?

RINOS/DINOS - those are the centrists. Ejecting them means both parties go to their extremes....that is good?

Trump won on immigration, putting conservatives on the bench, and hopes of a great economy. Hillary hating was just a bonus. Trump delivered.

Getting rid of the RINOs still makes Republicans more moderate than socialists and the commies the left has embraced.

I would disagree - a lot of people voted for Trump because they couldn't stand Hilary.

 

[esalla]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Best yet Trump won the African vote in what were dem only areas. Furthermore the working blue collar vote is now gop

 

[miketx]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

Nonsense, we see the news stories and the links, the arrests. The left supports all manner of perversity including pedophiles. Did I mention hollywood?

Disagree. I see support for underage marriage coming from the right for example (remember Duck Dynasty?). What adults do with other adults is their business. As a leftist, I strongly support protecting children, having a legal marriage age where children aren't marrying children, but finishing their education instead. That's my leftist thinking.

You can't see the forests for the trees....and why you're not taken seriously....and you're not

I don't much care who does or does not take me seriously. Your opinion is worthless these days. It just devolves into an insult fest rather than any dialogue.

I would rather spend time with those interested in discussion.

 

[Rye Catcher]

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

There is something very seriously wrong with you.
Reality conflicts and negates every single thing you mutter.

YOU are the Problem!

 

[esalla]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

No the photos of hunter biden smoking crack and wanking his penis

 

[miketx]

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

There is something very seriously wrong with you.
Reality conflicts and negates every single thing you mutter.

YOU are the Problem!

Hey butt catcher, fake news. Democrats and the media are the problem.

 

[Coyote]

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

There is something very seriously wrong with you.
Reality conflicts and negates every single thing you mutter.

_____

I couldn't agree more. The OP looks at this whole situation in conflict with both common sense and Facts.

It is true projection. Everything "her side"---Socialists preparing to be Bolsheviks---does, crimes, and all, she sees in her opposition.

Don Trump is rude. He fights back. He's a Conservative. That doesn't justify a trip off into Psychopathology.

_______

Sorry. That's just laughable. They say conservatives need enemies in order to function. The Islamists haven't been active in our country so y'all need something else to rally the troops. What better than Socialism/Commies/Marxists? Ressurrect the old red scare, while ignoring the fact that most of America, including the left, aren't interested in communism. Your enemy is a minority most often seen as historically ignorant people in Che t-shirts because they think it's cool.

 

[BlueGin]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

Democrats ...always so self righteous...and then they promote/prop up/ defend and vote for actual criminals and pedophiles.

 

[Coyote]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

No the photos of hunter biden smoking crack and wanking his penis

So? He's not running for president.

 

[Coyote]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

Democrats ...always so self righteous...and then they promote/prop up/ defend and vote for actual criminals and pedophiles.

Republicans...can't come up with any charges or indictments....but still insist that their targets are "criminals".

Comeback when you have something of substance to say.

 

[Rogue AI]

The gulf is too wide between the ideologies.

That is what I fear....but there have to be some commonalities on which to build a bridge or we are doomed.

The left is doomed, just a matter of time. Too many groups pandered to that have only loosely been held together by hating Trump. If Biden somehow wins they will fall upon each other. The right isn't going anywhere. Especially since the whiney RINOs have been rejected and ejected.

Is it? Wasn't Trump elected based largely on hatred of Clinton?

RINOS/DINOS - those are the centrists. Ejecting them means both parties go to their extremes....that is good?

Trump won on immigration, putting conservatives on the bench, and hopes of a great economy. Hillary hating was just a bonus. Trump delivered.

Getting rid of the RINOs still makes Republicans more moderate than socialists and the commies the left has embraced.

I would disagree - a lot of people voted for Trump because they couldn't stand Hilary.

The gulf is too wide between the ideologies.

That is what I fear....but there have to be some commonalities on which to build a bridge or we are doomed.

The left is doomed, just a matter of time. Too many groups pandered to that have only loosely been held together by hating Trump. If Biden somehow wins they will fall upon each other. The right isn't going anywhere. Especially since the whiney RINOs have been rejected and ejected.

Is it? Wasn't Trump elected based largely on hatred of Clinton?

RINOS/DINOS - those are the centrists. Ejecting them means both parties go to their extremes....that is good?

Trump won on immigration, putting conservatives on the bench, and hopes of a great economy. Hillary hating was just a bonus. Trump delivered.

Getting rid of the RINOs still makes Republicans more moderate than socialists and the commies the left has embraced.

I would disagree - a lot of people voted for Trump because they couldn't stand Hilary.

Maybe Bernie supporters, but most conservatives saw the bigger picture.

 

[esalla]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

No the photos of hunter biden smoking crack and wanking his penis

So? He's not running for president.

So in your world its ok if the presidents son is a chinese spy

Lol

 

[Rye Catcher]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Best yet Trump won the African vote in what were dem only areas. Furthermore the working blue collar vote is now gop

Furthermore the blue collar vote is manifestly less educated voters. Not to post they are stupid or not intelligent, but they are voting for trump out of emotion and not reason.

 

[esalla]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Best yet Trump won the African vote in what were dem only areas. Furthermore the working blue collar vote is now gop

Furthermore the blue collar vote is manifestly less educated voters. Not to post they are not stupid or not intelligent, but they are voting for trump out of emotion and not reason.

Lol you just mocked your self

Please continue

 

[SassyIrishLass]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Best yet Trump won the African vote in what were dem only areas. Furthermore the working blue collar vote is now gop

Furthermore the blue collar vote is manifestly less educated voters. Not to post they are not stupid or not intelligent, but they are voting for trump out of emotion and not reason.

Or because their taxes decreased and incomes increased