Ethics and The A-Bomb

[Samson]

This is YOUR Quote:

Admiral William Leahy told President Truman: "This is the biggest fool thing we have ever done."
Hiroshima

That is only HALF the quote. You Manipulated it:

You keep editing the full quote:

Admiral William Leahy told President Truman: "This is the biggest fool thing we have ever done. The bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives."



Jaysus I'm embarassed for you.

Quentin posted Leahy's position in #156 and you keep ignoring it. Parasite.

 

[CurveLight]

your puerile and always ineffective effort at ad hominem has never bolstered even one of your ridiculous arguments and in this case it constitutes just another massive fail by you in your long line of massive fails.

we called for unconditional surrender and we got it the day after we dropped the second of the two atomic bombs.

That we chose to be even moderately magnanimous doesn't change the equation at all. Not even a tiny little bit.

The japanese were permitted to keep their titular head, the emperor. we granted them that much. But the unconditional surrender we had demanded came only when they saw clearly that we could completely destroy them. (ironically, the second atomic bomb was the last in our then very tiny "stockpile." but thankfully, the enemy was in no position to realize this.)

i have not embarrassed me, you stupid pussypuddle. I embarrassed you, even if you remain too stupid and dishonest to recognize it or admit it.

Of course, as always, you embarrassed yourself, too. You always do.

snitch *****. I just posted the fact japan offered a conditional surrender and we accepted their conditional surrender which means it was not an unconditional surrender. Keep embarrassing yourself snitch *****.

fail.

Whatever you say namvet.

 

[Liability]

You're a ******* dumbass no matter what issue you try to debate and you prove it once again. The Official US policy before the bombs was an "Unconditional Surrender." After the bombs it was the US that gave in to Japan's terms you ignorant ****.

"On August 10, 1945, Japan offered to surrender to the Allies, the only condition being that the emperor be allowed to remain the nominal head of state."


"On August 12, the United States announced that it would accept the Japanese surrender, making clear in its statement that the emperor could remain in a purely ceremonial capacity only."
Http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm

Embarrass yourself some more Snitch *****.

Your puerile and always ineffective effort at ad hominem has never bolstered even one of your ridiculous arguments and in this case it constitutes just another massive fail by you in your long line of massive fails.

We called for unconditional surrender and we got it the day AFTER we dropped the SECOND of the two atomic bombs.

That we chose to be even moderately magnanimous doesn't change the equation at all. Not even a tiny little bit.

The Japanese were permitted to keep their titular head, the Emperor. We granted them that much. But the unconditional surrender we had demanded came only when they saw clearly that we could completely destroy them. (Ironically, the second atomic bomb was the last in our then very tiny "stockpile." But thankfully, the enemy was in no position to realize this.)

I have not embarrassed me, you stupid PussyPuddle. I embarrassed you, even if you remain too stupid and dishonest to recognize it or admit it.

Of course, as always, you embarrassed yourself, too. You always do.

Snitch *****. I just posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender and we accepted their conditional surrender which means it was not an unconditional surrender. Keep embarrassing yourself Snitch *****.

PussyPuddle:

You are not permitted to re-write history, ***** drippings.

We demanded AND GOT an unconditional surrender.

We elected (for reasons of our own) to allow Japan to keep it's titular head.

That's the fact, jackass. It doesn't convert the unconditional surrender into anything else. Sorry.

End of story.

All your pathetic attempts to contort it or twist it and lie your absurd ass off about it will never change it.

I realize you are far too much of a gutless ***** to ever admit that you are wrong (well, in fairness, you did have to concede one time that you were wrong) but that doesn't change rality here: you remain wrong, MenstrualMess.

Now, of course, you being the abjectly and always dishonest lying cowardly ***** that you are will deny the plain words of the text, but the Instrument of Surrender signed by Japan ending WWII is really quite clear:

We, acting by command of and on behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers.

We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese Armed Forces and all Armed Forces under Japanese control wherever situated.

* * * *

Japanese Instrument of Surrender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was difficult for the Japanese to grant UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER to the Allies. It appears to be even harder for you to admit an historical fact.

 

[CurveLight]

This is YOUR Quote:

Admiral William Leahy told President Truman: "This is the biggest fool thing we have ever done."
Hiroshima

That is only HALF the quote. You Manipulated it:

Quentin posted Leahy's position in #156 and you keep ignoring it. Parasite.

The sentences are mutually exclusive you dumbfuck. He was against them whether they detonated or not.

 

[CurveLight]

Your puerile and always ineffective effort at ad hominem has never bolstered even one of your ridiculous arguments and in this case it constitutes just another massive fail by you in your long line of massive fails.

We called for unconditional surrender and we got it the day AFTER we dropped the SECOND of the two atomic bombs.

That we chose to be even moderately magnanimous doesn't change the equation at all. Not even a tiny little bit.

The Japanese were permitted to keep their titular head, the Emperor. We granted them that much. But the unconditional surrender we had demanded came only when they saw clearly that we could completely destroy them. (Ironically, the second atomic bomb was the last in our then very tiny "stockpile." But thankfully, the enemy was in no position to realize this.)

I have not embarrassed me, you stupid PussyPuddle. I embarrassed you, even if you remain too stupid and dishonest to recognize it or admit it.

Of course, as always, you embarrassed yourself, too. You always do.

Snitch *****. I just posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender and we accepted their conditional surrender which means it was not an unconditional surrender. Keep embarrassing yourself Snitch *****.

PussyPuddle:

You are not permitted to re-write history, ***** drippings.

We demanded AND GOT an unconditional surrender.

We elected (for reasons of our own) to allow Japan to keep it's titular head.

That's the fact, jackass. It doesn't convert the unconditional surrender into anything else. Sorry.

End of story.

All your pathetic attempts to contort it or twist it and lie your absurd ass off about it will never change it.

I realize you are far too much of a gutless ***** to ever admit that you are wrong (well, in fairness, you did have to concede one time that you were wrong) but that doesn't change rality here: you remain wrong, MenstrualMess.

Now, of course, you being the abjectly and always dishonest lying cowardly ***** that you are will deny the plain words of the text, but the Instrument of Surrender signed by Japan ending WWII is really quite clear:

We, acting by command of and on behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers.

We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese Armed Forces and all Armed Forces under Japanese control wherever situated.

* * * *

Japanese Instrument of Surrender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was difficult for the Japanese to grant UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER to the Allies. It appears to be even harder for you to admit an historical fact.

I've already posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender we accepted Snitch *****. When I said "keep embarrassing yourself" I didn't mean for you to make it your only mission in life.

 

[Liability]

Snitch *****. I just posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender and we accepted their conditional surrender which means it was not an unconditional surrender. Keep embarrassing yourself Snitch *****.

PussyPuddle:

You are not permitted to re-write history, ***** drippings.

We demanded AND GOT an unconditional surrender.

We elected (for reasons of our own) to allow Japan to keep it's titular head.

That's the fact, jackass. It doesn't convert the unconditional surrender into anything else. Sorry.

End of story.

All your pathetic attempts to contort it or twist it and lie your absurd ass off about it will never change it.

I realize you are far too much of a gutless ***** to ever admit that you are wrong (well, in fairness, you did have to concede one time that you were wrong) but that doesn't change rality here: you remain wrong, MenstrualMess.

Now, of course, you being the abjectly and always dishonest lying cowardly ***** that you are will deny the plain words of the text, but the Instrument of Surrender signed by Japan ending WWII is really quite clear:

We, acting by command of and on behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers.

We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese Armed Forces and all Armed Forces under Japanese control wherever situated.

* * * *

Japanese Instrument of Surrender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was difficult for the Japanese to grant UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER to the Allies. It appears to be even harder for you to admit an historical fact.

I've already posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender we accepted * * * * When I said "keep embarrassing yourself" I didn't mean for you to make it your only mission in life.

Of course I can't "keep" doing that since I haven't ever started. That's just you lying again. Ho hum.

I have, however, completely exposed and humiliated you; but you are such a lying PussyPuddle that you are not even aware of how humiliated you should feel at this point.

Japan did not "offer" the surrender, either, you retarded asshole-licker. We offered it and they were obliged to accept it. You cannot get anything straight.

 

[Samson]

Snitch *****. I just posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender and we accepted their conditional surrender which means it was not an unconditional surrender. Keep embarrassing yourself Snitch *****.

PussyPuddle:

You are not permitted to re-write history, ***** drippings.

We demanded AND GOT an unconditional surrender.

We elected (for reasons of our own) to allow Japan to keep it's titular head.

That's the fact, jackass. It doesn't convert the unconditional surrender into anything else. Sorry.

End of story.

All your pathetic attempts to contort it or twist it and lie your absurd ass off about it will never change it.

I realize you are far too much of a gutless ***** to ever admit that you are wrong (well, in fairness, you did have to concede one time that you were wrong) but that doesn't change rality here: you remain wrong, MenstrualMess.

Now, of course, you being the abjectly and always dishonest lying cowardly ***** that you are will deny the plain words of the text, but the Instrument of Surrender signed by Japan ending WWII is really quite clear:

We, acting by command of and on behalf of the Emperor of Japan, the Japanese Government and the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters, hereby accept the provisions in the declaration issued by the heads of the Governments of the United States, China, and Great Britain 26 July 1945 at Potsdam, and subsequently to by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, which four powers are hereafter referred to as the Allied Powers.

We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese Armed Forces and all Armed Forces under Japanese control wherever situated.

* * * *

Japanese Instrument of Surrender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was difficult for the Japanese to grant UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER to the Allies. It appears to be even harder for you to admit an historical fact.

I've already posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender we accepted Snitch *****. When I said "keep embarrassing yourself" I didn't mean for you to make it your only mission in life.

Poor Demented Curvey.

 

[CurveLight]

PussyPuddle:

You are not permitted to re-write history, ***** drippings.

We demanded AND GOT an unconditional surrender.

We elected (for reasons of our own) to allow Japan to keep it's titular head.

That's the fact, jackass. It doesn't convert the unconditional surrender into anything else. Sorry.

End of story.

All your pathetic attempts to contort it or twist it and lie your absurd ass off about it will never change it.

I realize you are far too much of a gutless ***** to ever admit that you are wrong (well, in fairness, you did have to concede one time that you were wrong) but that doesn't change rality here: you remain wrong, MenstrualMess.

Now, of course, you being the abjectly and always dishonest lying cowardly ***** that you are will deny the plain words of the text, but the Instrument of Surrender signed by Japan ending WWII is really quite clear:
Japanese Instrument of Surrender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was difficult for the Japanese to grant UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER to the Allies. It appears to be even harder for you to admit an historical fact.

I've already posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender we accepted * * * * When I said "keep embarrassing yourself" I didn't mean for you to make it your only mission in life.

Of course I can't "keep" doing that since I haven't ever started. That's just you lying again. Ho hum.

I have, however, completely exposed and humiliated you; but you are such a lying PussyPuddle that you are not even aware of how humiliated you should feel at this point.

Japan did not "offer" the surrender, either, you retarded asshole-licker. We offered it and they were obliged to accept it. You cannot get anything straight.

Keep ignoring it Snitch *****.....



"On August 10, 1945, Japan offered to surrender to the Allies, the only condition being that the emperor be allowed to remain the nominal head of state."


"On August 12, the United States announced that it would accept the Japanese surrender, making clear in its statement that the emperor could remain in a purely ceremonial capacity only."
Http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm

 

[Liability]

I've already posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender we accepted * * * * When I said "keep embarrassing yourself" I didn't mean for you to make it your only mission in life.

Of course I can't "keep" doing that since I haven't ever started. That's just you lying again. Ho hum.

I have, however, completely exposed and humiliated you; but you are such a lying PussyPuddle that you are not even aware of how humiliated you should feel at this point.

Japan did not "offer" the surrender, either, you retarded asshole-licker. We offered it and they were obliged to accept it. You cannot get anything straight.

Keep ignoring it * * * *



"On August 10, 1945, Japan offered to surrender to the Allies, the only condition being that the emperor be allowed to remain the nominal head of state."


"On August 12, the United States announced that it would accept the Japanese surrender, making clear in its statement that the emperor could remain in a purely ceremonial capacity only."
Http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm

I will continue to ignore your bullshit dishonest spin as long as you continue to ignore the historical reality.

Japan SIGNED the Unconditional surrender, PussyPuddle.

Need to read it again?

We hereby proclaim the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers of the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters and of all Japanese Armed Forces and all Armed Forces under Japanese control wherever situated.

End of story.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I've already posted the fact Japan offered a conditional surrender we accepted * * * * When I said "keep embarrassing yourself" I didn't mean for you to make it your only mission in life.

Of course I can't "keep" doing that since I haven't ever started. That's just you lying again. Ho hum.

I have, however, completely exposed and humiliated you; but you are such a lying PussyPuddle that you are not even aware of how humiliated you should feel at this point.

Japan did not "offer" the surrender, either, you retarded asshole-licker. We offered it and they were obliged to accept it. You cannot get anything straight.

Keep ignoring it Snitch *****.....



"On August 10, 1945, Japan offered to surrender to the Allies, the only condition being that the emperor be allowed to remain the nominal head of state."


"On August 12, the United States announced that it would accept the Japanese surrender, making clear in its statement that the emperor could remain in a purely ceremonial capacity only."
Http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm

Your definitions and your interpretation, CurveLight, are wrong: period.

 

[peach174]

To Madeline who asked when gov. took over the school system;
I was referring to the Dept. of Education signed into law by Pres. Jimmy Carter in 1979. Before the Dept. was created we were # 3 in the top ten list ever since then we have been going downhill. Now we are in the 40's. Point is the children are not being educated they are being taught to be good little dems. but hasnt worked out for them very well has it?

 

[JakeStarkey]

To Madeline who asked when gov. took over the school system;
I was referring to the Dept. of Education signed into law by Pres. Jimmy Carter in 1979. Before the Dept. was created we were # 3 in the top ten list ever since then we have been going downhill. Now we are in the 40's. Point is the children are not being educated they are being taught to be good little dems. but hasnt worked out for them very well has it?

Worked very well from 1992 to 2000, and again in 2006, 2008, and will in 2010. peach, the little ones are taught be good little dems or good little pubs in the particular towns where they live. Both sides do it, both sides are wrong, but the parents in the communities, support the indoctrination by the side they support, so none of it will change.

 

[namvet]

JakeStarkey says, "mutter, spiffle, bugrnth spamwich, mutter, mutter, saw him he loot headquarters, "spiffle, bugrnth hamwich."

 

[JakeStarkey]

Namvet: "mutter, sparky, bugrth eat turtles, harky, mutter, mutter, mutterh, oh no, mutter, mutter."

 

[CurveLight]

Of course I can't "keep" doing that since I haven't ever started. That's just you lying again. Ho hum.

I have, however, completely exposed and humiliated you; but you are such a lying PussyPuddle that you are not even aware of how humiliated you should feel at this point.

Japan did not "offer" the surrender, either, you retarded asshole-licker. We offered it and they were obliged to accept it. You cannot get anything straight.

Keep ignoring it Snitch *****.....



"On August 10, 1945, Japan offered to surrender to the Allies, the only condition being that the emperor be allowed to remain the nominal head of state."


"On August 12, the United States announced that it would accept the Japanese surrender, making clear in its statement that the emperor could remain in a purely ceremonial capacity only."
Http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm

Your definitions and your interpretation, CurveLight, are wrong: period.

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There isn't a whole lot of room for interpretation in the above facts. Japan made an offer of surrender under one condition and we accepted that offer.

 

[Liability]

Keep ignoring it Snitch *****.....



"On August 10, 1945, Japan offered to surrender to the Allies, the only condition being that the emperor be allowed to remain the nominal head of state."


"On August 12, the United States announced that it would accept the Japanese surrender, making clear in its statement that the emperor could remain in a purely ceremonial capacity only."
Http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm

Your definitions and your interpretation, CurveLight, are wrong: period.

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There isn't a whole lot of room for interpretation in the above facts. Japan made an offer of surrender under one condition and we accepted that offer.

Wrong, PussyPuddle. We dictated to the Japanese the terms of surrender -- and it was unconditional -- and the Japanese were obliged to accept it. And they did. The document of surrender they signed (as I have quoted twice already) acknowledges FROM the Japanese what you (for your own bizarre reasons) are unable to admit.

There is no room for interpretation nor is there any valid room for your ceaseless dishonesty.

The Japanese didn't offer anything that was accepted. WE made the offer. They accepted. The terms were UNCONDITIONAL surrender.

And that's the way it was. Your spin is just you being the liar you so often are.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Keep ignoring it Snitch *****.....



"On August 10, 1945, Japan offered to surrender to the Allies, the only condition being that the emperor be allowed to remain the nominal head of state."


"On August 12, the United States announced that it would accept the Japanese surrender, making clear in its statement that the emperor could remain in a purely ceremonial capacity only."
Http://www.cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/surrender.htm

Your definitions and your interpretation, CurveLight, are wrong: period.

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There isn't a whole lot of room for interpretation in the above facts. Japan made an offer of surrender under one condition and we accepted that offer.

Your interpretation is not conditional surrender. No historian of any merit accepts such a loony concept. I understand you believe it. I believe you believe it. But you are wrong, and history will continue to be written in a way you don't like. Don't let it upset you.

 

[CurveLight]

Your definitions and your interpretation, CurveLight, are wrong: period.

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There isn't a whole lot of room for interpretation in the above facts. Japan made an offer of surrender under one condition and we accepted that offer.

Your interpretation is not conditional surrender. No historian of any merit accepts such a loony concept. I understand you believe it. I believe you believe it. But you are wrong, and history will continue to be written in a way you don't like. Don't let it upset you.

When you address the facts I've quoted and linked then you'll have responded. Until then you are doing nothing.

 

[Liability]

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There isn't a whole lot of room for interpretation in the above facts. Japan made an offer of surrender under one condition and we accepted that offer.

Your interpretation is not conditional surrender. No historian of any merit accepts such a loony concept. I understand you believe it. I believe you believe it. But you are wrong, and history will continue to be written in a way you don't like. Don't let it upset you.

When you address the facts I've quoted and linked then you'll have responded. Until then you are doing nothing.

Kinda pathetic.

PussyPuddle, bent tight, MenstrualMess is unable to post honestly.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It was understood at the time that unless the Japanese surrendered, we would lose as many as a half a million to a million of our fighting men to finally defeat the Japanese Empire. And the Japanese were not going to surrender. The citizenry was being trained in how to fight to the last man, woman and child.

It took the atomic bomb to prove to them that it was futile. And even the first one didn't turn the trick.

Compared to how many of OUR soldiers' lives were at stake -- not even counting the many fold MORE Japanese lives that would be lost -- the math alone underscores a tragic (but real) morality in going atomic.

A horrible, horrifying and wrenching decision by President Truman? Absolutely.

But immoral?

Based on the quantification of human life, the decision was far more moral than the alternative.

This is the same exact line that's been proven wrong on several levels.

The bombs did not make Japan change its conditions for surrender. At. All.

Straight up LIE. Before the bombs Japan wanted us to agree to a cease fire and a return to our 1941 start lines. They wanted no foreign presence in Japan , no Change of Government and no change of the Military. After the first bomb they still tried to make demands they want 4 things only one of which was the Emperor. After 2 bombs and a Soviet declaration of War they agreed to surrender and WE agreed to let them keep their Emperor as a FIGURE head only. The final surrender was UNCONDITIONAL. As evidenced by the Documents the Japanese signed.

You have yet to provide us with all the supposed surrender attempts by Japan in 1945. You keep making the claim but provide absolutely no evidence of such.