Ethics and The A-Bomb

9-11 was a tragedy, a cold-blooded massacre of innocents. 300,000 Japanese did not die in an instant. Afghanistan was abolutely the right war in the right place against the right enemy of all mankind.
 
9-11 was a tragedy, a cold-blooded massacre of innocents. 300,000 Japanese did not die in an instant.

Well that just makes everything all fine and dandy.

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"God bless Amurrika... Land that I love..." :salute:
 
How sad, the Japanese died, I did not read all the posts in this thread so maybe the next fact has been covered, if so forgive me.

How about the hundreds of thousands of lives the USA saved in Nagasaki by dropping leaflets warning the japanese that we were going to drop a bomb on Nagasaki, hundreds of thousands fled and lived

War is not ethical or moral. I dont think killing is ethical or moral for any reason ever. We had to fight the war period, it was not our choice, the war forced us to do unethical, immoral acts.

Is it justifiable to act unethically, yes.

Is it justifiable to be immoral, yes.

We did not start the WW II, we were forced to defend ourselves, unfortunately the lesser of two evils is to kill the enemy before the enemy kills your children.

Do you watch a man rape and kill a child or do you do the unethical immoral act of killing the man, justice demands man break the moral codes of society.
 
No, it isn't, unless you believe that the instant vaporization of hundreds of thousands of people can be written off because of their nationality. What a disingenuous claim. I suppose this type of callousness towards the slaughter of civilians should be expected from an avowed Zionist.


Baseless. Nationality is an artificial distinction. The location of a person's birth doesn't make his life any more or less valuable than his neighbor's.

What a goof. The nation states have superseded the Papacy and the Caliphate, and geography grounds an individual's character and values system. The proper course was taken about Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
When 3,000 Americans are killed over the span of several hours, the incident is recognized as a national tragedy and two unnecessary wars are started overseas. When 300,000 Japanese are killed in an instant, the day is celebrated as a national holiday. I see. :thup:

Look you ******* retard WW2 was a WAR, one the Japanese STARTED with us. The people killed during it on BOTH sides rest squarely on the shoulders of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Further both targets of the Atomic Bombs were MILITARY targets.

Now tell us you brain dead ****, what was was going on on 9/11?
 
Madeline asks if the unbridled slaughter of old men, women and little children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was 'ethical'. One has to realise here that barbarity is the ethical standard which defines of the International Capitalist system. Just as we can recognise a tree by its fruits so can we determine a socio-economic method by its historical consequences.

The colours of Capitalism the world over are brutal and primitive. Chaos ensues from an extension of a system of class division and institutionalised greed, along with the protection of private property; the fierce competition for new markets, the subjugation and exploitation of international indigenous populations for super profits and the inevitable wars the ruling class demand in order to maintain their established hierarchies of Imperialist stranglehold.

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Nothing in History is the result of 'accident' and everything a consequence of the fundamental economic and social structures we maintain by our political choices, or lack of therein.

So it is important to recognise that the ethic of an exploitative system is social chaos and war. And 'Behold', the societies in which Humanity now languish reflect this truth abundantly.

More specifically, in the context of Japan and the Nuclear attacks America unleashed upon the Japanese civilian population, the consensus of independent rational opinion realises that these atrocities were completely unnecessary, and the result of a malevolent Capitalist superpower besotted with displaying its aggressive abilities to the World so it could dominate post-war affairs with an iron fist, in a climate of fear. And it has. As is evidenced by America's exhaustive plethora of post WW2 invasions, interventions, all out wars and both covert and explicit funding of terrorism.

RetiredGySgt is, as usual, blinkered to any reality which shows up the nefarious nature of his beloved terrorist nation. Perhaps his own complicity as a servile military tool is too much to bear, if he were to ever open his eyes to the harsh light of day. And so it is his ilk that in fact revise history with Pavlovian synergy, every time the truth begins to dawn upon a new generation.

Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force and later president of the U.S., when informed of the decision to drop Atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki stated:

"I voiced my misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of "face."

Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Truman, revealed to his biographer Jonathan Daniels:

"they went ahead and killed as many women and children as they could which was just what they wanted all the time."
[Alperovitz, Decision, p. 326.]

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(Shinichi Tetsutani, almost 4 years old, was playing on his tricycle when the brave U.S.A.F. atomic-bombed his home. Such was the intensity of the nuclear glare all but the metallic frame melted.)

And in his autobiography, Admiral Leahy states:

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons."
[Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima & Potsdam , by Gar Alperovitz, p. 14.]

General Douglas MacArthur, officer in charge of Pacific operations, questioned the military usefulness of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. His consultant Norman Cousins wrote in 1987:

"The war might have ended weeks earlier, [MacArthur] said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor."
[Hoover and Cousins quoted in Alperovitz, Decision, pp. 349-50.]

Many military and government officials under Truman failed to fathom his decision to pursue the bombings when surrender was within their grasp. Joseph Grew, Under Secretary of State; John McCloy, Assistant to the Secretary of War; Ralph Bard, Under Secretary of the Navy; and Lewis Strauss, Special Assistant to the Secretary of the Navy, to name but a few.

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(ghostly shadows created by incinerating radiance are all that remained of some anonymous Japanese victims of American atomic-war barbarity.)

After the carnage was unleashed U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey concluded:

"certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945 [the date U.S. forces were to invade.], Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
[, Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima & Potsdam , by Gar Alperovitz, pp. 10-11.]

How come you claim something was written in the U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey and use a secondary source as proof, not the primary source. The USSBS was not one survey, it was many reports by many different people, could you cite the actual survey, which report, which page, the author of the report?

I have been collecting books on this subject and I will definitely find the books you cite and most likely ad them to my collection.

Dont take me wrong, I am not saying that somewhere amongst the thousands of pages one persons opinion did not say this but come on, you should be citing the primary source not an author that took a couple of sentences from hundreds of thousands.
 
9-11 was a tragedy, a cold-blooded massacre of innocents. 300,000 Japanese did not die in an instant.

Well that just makes everything all fine and dandy.

japanese-atomic-bomb-victims-47.jpg

Victim2.jpg


"God bless Amurrika... Land that I love..." :salute:

You are such a ******* fraud.

When your ******* scumbag Islamic shithead brethren slaughter innocents, do you imagine their pictures are any less revolting?

Holy ******* Muhammad in a toilet bowl. Images of war and its consequences have shock value and YOU are the first piece of shit filthy propagandist to EVER figure that out. :clap2:

You are a lowlife liar on the surface and all the way to your maggot infested "soul."

Let's consider what those friendly innocent Japanese did:

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Or perhaps the horrors inflicted on human being by the scumbag Islamoshit you applaud offers a more pleasant view? Let's find out, shit-eater:

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That last one was a picture of the body of Father Judge, a NYC Fire Department chaplain, being carried away from the first Tower after he was killed by the falling debris, one of the first known victims of the 9/11 atrocities committed in the ******* filthy name of Muhammud.
 
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No, it isn't, unless you believe that the instant vaporization of hundreds of thousands of people can be written off because of their nationality. What a disingenuous claim. I suppose this type of callousness towards the slaughter of civilians should be expected from an avowed Zionist.


Baseless. Nationality is an artificial distinction. The location of a person's birth doesn't make his life any more or less valuable than his neighbor's.

What a goof. The nation states have superseded the Papacy and the Caliphate, and geography grounds an individual's character and values system. The proper course was taken about Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
When 3,000 Americans are killed over the span of several hours, the incident is recognized as a national tragedy and two unnecessary wars are started overseas. When 300,000 Japanese are killed in an instant, the day is celebrated as a national holiday. I see. :thup:

no you don't. your dumber than a box a rocks !!!!!
 
Further both targets of the Atomic Bombs were MILITARY targets.

Please tell us how many of the dead were civilians and how many were soldiers.

Irrelevant question. During WW2 strategic Bombing of Military Targets did not preclude bombing adjacent civilian areas. It was considered collateral damage.

As for Japan, read the plans Japan had for the Invasion of Mainland Japan. EVERY person able to carry a bamboo spear was going to be issued one and used to human wave attack the landing beaches. As far as Japan was concerned they had no civilians.
 
What a goof. The nation states have superseded the Papacy and the Caliphate, and geography grounds an individual's character and values system. The proper course was taken about Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
When 3,000 Americans are killed over the span of several hours, the incident is recognized as a national tragedy and two unnecessary wars are started overseas. When 300,000 Japanese are killed in an instant, the day is celebrated as a national holiday. I see. :thup:

no you don't. your dumber than a box a rocks !!!!!

I can by your proper spelling and capitalization that you're far more intelligent than I am. :thup:
 
Irrelevant question. During WW2 strategic Bombing of Military Targets did not preclude bombing adjacent civilian areas. It was considered collateral damage.
It's not irrelevant at all. Whether the goal of the US was to limit damage to military targets or not, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of those who died were civilians.

"Hell is full of good intentions" - St. Bernard of Clairvaux

As for Japan, read the plans Japan had for the Invasion of Mainland Japan. EVERY person able to carry a bamboo spear was going to be issued one and used to human wave attack the landing beaches.
Who said anything about an invasion? I mentioned that a surgical bombing campaign could have been a better idea. Bamboo spears can't do much against a B-29.

As far as Japan was concerned they had no civilians.
You hold the United States to the same moral standard as Imperial Japan?
 
Sickness is married to your stupidity as heat is to the sun.



Further both targets of the Atomic Bombs were MILITARY targets.

Please tell us how many of the dead were civilians and how many were soldiers.

Irrelevant question. During WW2 strategic Bombing of Military Targets did not preclude bombing adjacent civilian areas. It was considered collateral damage.

As for Japan, read the plans Japan had for the Invasion of Mainland Japan. EVERY person able to carry a bamboo spear was going to be issued one and used to human wave attack the landing beaches. As far as Japan was concerned they had no civilians.
 
The top 3 US military commanders all said the bombs were not necessary. But for some funkziffle reason you claim to know better than them.





That is exactly what happened:
No, it isn't, unless you believe that the instant vaporization of hundreds of thousands of people can be written off because of their nationality. What a disingenuous claim. I suppose this type of callousness towards the slaughter of civilians should be expected from an avowed Zionist.

two atomic bombs and the Soviet invasion ended the war with very little casualties to Americans. No atomic bombs, no surrender.
Baseless. Nationality is an artificial distinction. The location of a person's birth doesn't make his life any more or less valuable than his neighbor's.

Hundreds of thousands were not vaporized in EITHER city dumb ass. And yes the Two Bombs ended the Pacific War, with out them we would have been forced to Invade them.
 
Where is the evidence how many were saved by leaflets? You're also glossing over the fact we targeted and killed countless civilians out of pure evil.



How sad, the Japanese died, I did not read all the posts in this thread so maybe the next fact has been covered, if so forgive me.

How about the hundreds of thousands of lives the USA saved in Nagasaki by dropping leaflets warning the japanese that we were going to drop a bomb on Nagasaki, hundreds of thousands fled and lived

War is not ethical or moral. I dont think killing is ethical or moral for any reason ever. We had to fight the war period, it was not our choice, the war forced us to do unethical, immoral acts.

Is it justifiable to act unethically, yes.

Is it justifiable to be immoral, yes.

We did not start the WW II, we were forced to defend ourselves, unfortunately the lesser of two evils is to kill the enemy before the enemy kills your children.

Do you watch a man rape and kill a child or do you do the unethical immoral act of killing the man, justice demands man break the moral codes of society.
 
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Where is the evidence how many were saved by leaflets? You're also glossing over the fact we targeted and killed countless civilians out of pure evil.



How sad, the Japanese died, I did not read all the posts in this thread so maybe the next fact has been covered, if so forgive me.

How about the hundreds of thousands of lives the USA saved in Nagasaki by dropping leaflets warning the japanese that we were going to drop a bomb on Nagasaki, hundreds of thousands fled and lived

War is not ethical or moral. I dont think killing is ethical or moral for any reason ever. We had to fight the war period, it was not our choice, the war forced us to do unethical, immoral acts.

Is it justifiable to act unethically, yes.

Is it justifiable to be immoral, yes.

We did not start the WW II, we were forced to defend ourselves, unfortunately the lesser of two evils is to kill the enemy before the enemy kills your children.

Do you watch a man rape and kill a child or do you do the unethical immoral act of killing the man, justice demands man break the moral codes of society.

You are a LYING sack of puss filled vomit. But then you prove that every day here don't you?
 
strange these American barbarians, as curve refers to them, spent billions raising the Japs and Nazi's from the post war rubble and rebuilding their countries. and turning Japan into one of the biggest economic giants in histroy.

can you explain this strange behavior ?????
 
did they win the debate ???? doink

There was no debate you dumbfuck.

then why the opinions moron ???? your the knight in shinning armour condeming the world for its actions. you were there???? tell us all about it. since your all right and we're all wrong. :eusa_whistle:


Why did the top 3 military commanders say the bombs weren't necessary? Are you joking?

Stop dodging you raggedy **** and explain why you claim to know better than those three commanders.
 
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