Erasing The Past

[PoliticalChic]

So for some of the stuff they did their memory should be eradicated?

The Constitution is a document that outlines our freedoms, in fact, Thomas Jefferson wanted to include freeing slaves in the Declaration of Independence. Thomas Jefferson also outlawed most of the Alien and Sedition Acts that made it illegal to speak out against government. Can you imagine what the country would be like had he not risen up to get rid of those provisions? In fact, the provision that were still left, FDR used to lock up innocent Japanese Americans.

Actually, I really don't fault FDR for BRIEFLY detaining Japanese immigrants and citizens in 1942 (most of them were released by 1943.) The reality- the Axis found collaborators in every country they invaded, did you really want to leave 100K collaborators in a potential war zone.

Thomas Jefferson didn't include freeing the slaves in the DOI or the Constitution. That's the point. He personally benefitted from slavery and sexually abused a woman for years because she was his property (and happened to be his dead wife's half-sister because his father in law did the same kind of stuff.)

No one said "eradicate" his memory. But put him in a position of less honor? Maybe. Worth having the discussion, to be sure.

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Then perhaps FDR should have detained all the German-Americans in camps too. After all they all posed a threat as collaborators in your mind. Do you think the United States would have won the war if he had followed that policy also? I doubt it because the United States would have been in the middle of another civil war the moment he tried since over fifty percent of this country was German-American at that time.

NOTE: I was friends with a Japanese-American who served the United States military during WWII so it appears you should be the last one to speak up on the subject of racism with your racist attitude.

*****SMILE*****

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The 442nd Infantry Regiment was an infantry regiment of the United States Army. The regiment is best known for its history as a fighting unit composed almost entirely of second-generation American soldiers of Japanese ancestry (Nisei) who fought in World War II.

 

[pknopp]

Quite a leap there. No, there is no defense of what FDR did.

Sure there was... It was war. At the same time FDR mildly inconvenienced Japanese Americans, Japanese were out there doing the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death March. Heck, he probably did them a favor. He got them away from people who were scared and angry.

Wow......this is why I said what I did about you the other day. You know, it would be every bit as easy for others to note that a statue is a "mild inconvenience". Sitting in the back of the bus was a "mild inconvenience".

 

[rightwinger]

Many of our heralded founding fathers owned slaves. Out of the 55 so-called founders, 26 owned slaves and one owned a slave ship. The slave owners were:

Richard Bassett (DE), Jacob Broom (DE), John Dickinson (DE), George Read (DE),William Houstoun (GA), William Few (GA), William Samuel Johnson (CT), Daniel Carroll (MD), Luther Martin (MD), John Francis Mercer (MD), Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (MD), William Livingston (NJ), William Blount (NC), William Richardson Davie (NC), Alexander Martin (NC), Richard Dobbs Spaight (NC), Pierce Butler (SC), Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (SC), Charles Pinckney (SC), John Rutledge (SC), John Blair (VA), James Madison (VA), George Mason (VA), Edmund Randolph (VA), George Washington (VA), George Wythe (VA), Robert Morris (PA)*.

*Robert Morris owned a slave ship. So while he didn’t own slave, he was a prime participant in the industry.

We are on President number 45 as of this writing. Out of these 45 presidents, it is a fact that 12 of them owned slaves. That’s more than ONE FOURTH of our presidents. Ten of the twelve owned slaves while in office. While many want to make this so clean and easy, I am not going to do that. It must be understood that presidents of this country conducted the business of slavery in the white house. They owned slaves in the white house. They beat their slaves in the white house. They bought and sold slaves from the white house. The ten slave owners while in the white house were:

Our nations “father” George Washington owned over 300 slaves. Thomas Jefferson owned 600 slaves. His slave mistress even had children by him. Think about that each time you see a black person with the last name Jefferson. James Madison owned more than 100 slaves. James Monroe owned 75 slaves. Andrew Jackson owned 200 slaves. Martin Van Buren owned 1 slave. I guess he would be considered a nice and humane slave owner. After all, he could have owned 600. William Henry Harrison owned 11 slaves. John Tyler owned 70 slaves. James K. Polk owned 25 slaves. Zachary Taylor owned about 150 slaves. These 10 men owned slaves as duly elected presidents of the United States. This is a hard truth of the American past that MUST be faced.

This is not about holding anyone from the past to modern standards. I bristle when I hear this, especially after I must hear about how great the founders were. They are being held to the standards they put on parchment themselves. As for the,” I wasn’t alive then” excuse, none of these men are here today, if we cannot hold them accountable for their racism then why can we credit them? Is there anyone here today who was around for the revolutionary war?

Barack Obama’s Ancestors Owned Slaves

But it looks as if there will be a problem with the statue of the 44th POTUS, especially in today’s hypersensitive racial climate. No, we’re not talking about disgusting neo-Nazis protesting a statue dedicated to a Black Man. Nor is it because as president economic conditions for African-Americas relative to Caucasians declined. Bu.t no Obama statue should be built because he is descended from slave-owners.

Real quick here...Do you see something amiss?

Fake news

 

[JoeB131]

Hence the reason black Americans think Europeans kidnapped Africans with nets and dragged them to America. For them, the Trans-Sahara slave trade didn't exist. For them the Barbary Coast slave trade where nearly 2 million Europeans were enslaved between the 15th and 19th centuries is irrelvant. All of that is KEPT from black Americans. That, along with many other reasons is why black Americans are an embarrassment to actual Africans who see black Americans as the spoiled privileged ones.

It's not "kept" from, it's just not relevant to American Blacks.

Growing up in the hood and living across the street from an actual African whose whole family was murdered by blood diamond warlords while he was at school was very beneficial to me. He spoke 6 languages and earned two doctorates. He looked at the blacks in our neighborhood with pity and that was in the 70s.

Okay, you realize that the reason why Africa is kind of a mess right now is because of White European Colonialism. There would be no "Blood Diamonds" if rich white people weren't controlling the supply of diamonds (which aren't actually nearly as rare as people think they are).

People have no fucking clue and white liberals are unreal racist losers and have no idea the damage they are doing and have done.

I fear it's permanent and our tolerance of their treachery is our unforgivable sin. We deserve what we get cause of our passivity.

Actually,what I see in these riots is people who've asked for years peacefully for change and were ignored. Like it or not, riots get results. They get more results than passive resistance or peaceful demonstrations.

Riots are what happens when incompetent leaders don't address issues.

 

[JoeB131]

Wow......this is why I said what I did about you the other day. You know, it would be every bit as easy for others to note that a statue is a "mild inconvenience". Sitting in the back of the bus was a "mild inconvenience".

Oh, did your whiny, snivelly socialist ass say something about me the other day you thought was clever?

Um, yeah, those things ARE mild inconveniences when fighting a movement like the Axis, that would have solved your problem by turning your ass into a lampshade. FDR did what he had to do to WIN.

Idealism is fine and all, but there's no honor in being the most idealistic corpse in a mass grave.

 

[pknopp]

Wow......this is why I said what I did about you the other day. You know, it would be every bit as easy for others to note that a statue is a "mild inconvenience". Sitting in the back of the bus was a "mild inconvenience".

Oh, did your whiny, snivelly socialist ass say something about me the other day you thought was clever?

Um, yeah, those things ARE mild inconveniences when fighting a movement like the Axis, that would have solved your problem by turning your ass into a lampshade. FDR did what he had to do to WIN.

Idealism is fine and all, but there's no honor in being the most idealistic corpse in a mass grave.

Socialism is a step up from those who would argue to round up American citizens and place them in internment camps.

You should be all giddy about the cages holding people on the border.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Riots are what happens when incompetent leaders don't address issues.

It's good to know that you consider the mayors and governors where most of the rioting, looting, arson, and murders are happening are incompetent. We're making progress.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[JoeB131]

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442nd Infantry Regiment (United States) - Wikipedia
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The 442nd Infantry Regiment was an infantry regiment of the United States Army. The regiment is best known for its history as a fighting unit composed almost entirely of second-generation American soldiers of Japanese ancestry (Nisei) who fought in World War II.

And... so what? Had nothing to do with the fact FDR made the right call removing Japanese Americans from a potential invasion zone.

 

[JoeB131]

Socialism is a step up from those who would argue to round up American citizens and place them in internment camps.

You should be all giddy about the cages holding people on the border.

You do realize that the same time FDR was mildly putting Japanese Americans out, SOCIALIST Joseph Stalin was sending Millions of Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians to Siberia to fucking die...

No, guy, I'm not giddy about locking up people at the border because there's no good reason for it.

There was a VERY good reason why we relocated those people. The Japanese had just sunk half our navy and there was very little between us and them. 1942, it really looked like the Axis MIGHT win the war. And you think leaving 100K potential collaborators in the War zone was a good idea? Really?

 

[pknopp]

Socialism is a step up from those who would argue to round up American citizens and place them in internment camps.

You should be all giddy about the cages holding people on the border.

You do realize that the same time FDR was mildly putting Japanese Americans out, SOCIALIST Joseph Stalin was sending Millions of Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians to Siberia to fucking die...

No, guy, I'm not giddy about locking up people at the border because there's no good reason for it.

Then why did Obama do it?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

And... so what? Had nothing to do with the fact FDR made the right call removing Japanese Americans from a potential invasion zone.

Ow.w..w... So now it's alright to justify racial bias all in the name of a "potential something something" so long as it serves your purposes.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[JoeB131]

Then why did Obama do it?

Oh, wait, are you a Trump Bot pretending to be a Bernie Supporter? That explains everything, but you just outed yourself.

 

[pknopp]

Then why did Obama do it?

Oh, wait, are you a Trump Bot pretending to be a Bernie Supporter? That explains everything, but you just outed yourself.

Not even a passing defense? If something is wrong, it is wrong no matter who does it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Historical revisionism that changes a regional North/South issue into modern political patronage.

Slavery existed in the south for 200 years before the Democratic Party was formed. To claim that slavery was somehow the fault of either modern political party is pure deception

It exposes the pure evil of Republicanism and white supremacy.

So FDR who conducted the Tuskegee Experiment to see the effects of untreated syphilis on blacks and appointed a genuine KKK meber to SCOTUS -- was a Republican?

#LOLDNXi

#BidenApprovedBLack

 

[JoeB131]

Not even a passing defense? If something is wrong, it is wrong no matter who does it.

Again, when you use the failed Trump talking point, you are outing yourself.

Then again, I always suspected that support for Commie Bernie was largely astroturf.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The only privilege I have been blessed with is a IQ 50 points higher than yours.

Dude, you are Corky the Retard compared to me, it's why I enjoy getting you so enraged all the time.

The stupid animals are vandalizing the statues of abolitionists just because they were white. You are a stupid animal so support it.

I'm really not getting worked up over statues, and if you are, you have too much time on your hands. If you guys really think 'Save the statues" is going to save Trump after he's wrecked the economy and killed 130,000 people, then you are daft.

Trump killed 130,000 people and nobody told me? My goodness.


How sad it is that you have led a life so miserable and unfulfilling that you have been rendered this one dimensional cartoon character incapable of any human emotion other than pure hatred.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Many of our heralded founding fathers owned slaves. Out of the 55 so-called founders, 26 owned slaves and one owned a slave ship. The slave owners were:

Richard Bassett (DE), Jacob Broom (DE), John Dickinson (DE), George Read (DE),William Houstoun (GA), William Few (GA), William Samuel Johnson (CT), Daniel Carroll (MD), Luther Martin (MD), John Francis Mercer (MD), Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer (MD), William Livingston (NJ), William Blount (NC), William Richardson Davie (NC), Alexander Martin (NC), Richard Dobbs Spaight (NC), Pierce Butler (SC), Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (SC), Charles Pinckney (SC), John Rutledge (SC), John Blair (VA), James Madison (VA), George Mason (VA), Edmund Randolph (VA), George Washington (VA), George Wythe (VA), Robert Morris (PA)*.

*Robert Morris owned a slave ship. So while he didn’t own slave, he was a prime participant in the industry.

We are on President number 45 as of this writing. Out of these 45 presidents, it is a fact that 12 of them owned slaves. That’s more than ONE FOURTH of our presidents. Ten of the twelve owned slaves while in office. While many want to make this so clean and easy, I am not going to do that. It must be understood that presidents of this country conducted the business of slavery in the white house. They owned slaves in the white house. They beat their slaves in the white house. They bought and sold slaves from the white house. The ten slave owners while in the white house were:

Our nations “father” George Washington owned over 300 slaves. Thomas Jefferson owned 600 slaves. His slave mistress even had children by him. Think about that each time you see a black person with the last name Jefferson. James Madison owned more than 100 slaves. James Monroe owned 75 slaves. Andrew Jackson owned 200 slaves. Martin Van Buren owned 1 slave. I guess he would be considered a nice and humane slave owner. After all, he could have owned 600. William Henry Harrison owned 11 slaves. John Tyler owned 70 slaves. James K. Polk owned 25 slaves. Zachary Taylor owned about 150 slaves. These 10 men owned slaves as duly elected presidents of the United States. This is a hard truth of the American past that MUST be faced.

This is not about holding anyone from the past to modern standards. I bristle when I hear this, especially after I must hear about how great the founders were. They are being held to the standards they put on parchment themselves. As for the,” I wasn’t alive then” excuse, none of these men are here today, if we cannot hold them accountable for their racism then why can we credit them? Is there anyone here today who was around for the revolutionary war?

...and? How does this affect you today?

 

[JoeB131]

So FDR who conducted the Tuskegee Experiment to see the effects of untreated syphilis on blacks and appointed a genuine KKK meber to SCOTUS -- was a Republican?

FDR didn't "conduct" the experiment. The Tuskegee Study started in 1932 and continued until 1972. FDR didn't become President until 1933 and he had bigger things on his plate than a badly designed study.

There was no treatment for syphilis when it started. Even when Penicillin was introduced, it was not believed to be effective for people who were infected for years.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Continuing a myth is changing history

The Trumpsters see what's happening, so they're desperate to change the subject.

They think the country won't see them denying the obvious white racism that still exists if they change the subject to history.

They think the country will forget that Trump has virtually ALL of the White Nationalist / Separatist / Supremacist vote if they change the subject to history.

This is good. Let them keep trying.

My current working theory is that the old, rational Mac1958 had his account hacked, and he has been replaced by this new, stupid one playing identity politics to the hilt.

 

[JoeB131]

Trump filled 130,000 people and nobody told me My goodness.

How sad it is that you have led a life so miserable and unfulfilling that you have been rendered this one dimensional cartoon character incapable of any human emotion other than pure hatred.

I'm not sure how many people he "filled", but he killed 130,000 through his neglect and incompetence.

My life is fine, thanks. Enjoying a sunny day by the lake. But Trump has really ruined millions of people's lives. We'll all remember that in November.