'Epic Fury' has already canceled out Big Beautiful Bill's tax refunds — even if the Iran war ended today

[Dragonlady]

Bullshit.
You're dealing with the cartoonish caricature of Trump created by the Leftist media.

No moron. We're dealing with facts. 7 bankruptcies. 4000+ law suits. Admissions that he bribed public officials, sexually assaulted women, and bought his way out of fraud cases. Trump bragged about all of it, saying he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and nothing would happen to him.

The public record of Trump's shady business practices, phony law suits, tax evasion, and fraud has been available to the public since the 1980's. Trump is a cartoon character, and you love him for it.

 

[rightwinger]

When you've started as many businesses as Trump has, not every one is going to be a successful. On balance, he's a billionaire so I guess he's done something right.

Trumps model has been that when his businesses fail, everyone loses except for him.

His business partners lose, his employees lose, his investors lose, his contractors lose……the taxpayer loses

Trump walks away bragging about what a great businessman he is

 

[Dragonlady]

No when I go straight to insults it's a sign of how little regard I have for you. You're not worth a serious discussion.

When you've started as many businesses as Trump has, not every one is going to be a successful. On balance, he's a billionaire so I guess he's done something right.
I wish he were more of a fiscal conservative but, then, Democrats are the worst at that so they have no room to talk, do they?

Am I supposed to be offended that a dull witted MAGArat doesn't like me??? Boo ******* hoo.

The only success Trump ever had as a businessman is Trump Tower, and it was widely rumoured that this was only because Fred was pulling strings in the background to make it happen.

Trump's 7 bankruptcies are a world record. Nobody in history has ever lost as much money as Donald Trump.

As a Businessman, Trump Was the Biggest Loser of All

Many Americans still believe that the President is a savvy and successful businessman who knows what he is doing. But the actual record suggests the exact opposite.

www.newyorker.com

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses (Published 2019)

Newly obtained tax information reveals that from 1985 to 1994, Donald J. Trump’s businesses were in far bleaker condition than was previously known.

www.nytimes.com

https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2026/03/10/heres-how-much-donald-trump-is-worth/

I do give Trump credit for being the greatest conman in world history. That is quite the achievement, but not in a good way.

 

[Lockback]

No moron. We're dealing with facts. 7 bankruptcies. 4000+ law suits. Admissions that he bribed public officials, sexually assaulted women, and bought his way out of fraud cases. Trump bragged about all of it, saying he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and nothing would happen to him.

The public record of Trump's shady business practices, phony law suits, tax evasion, and fraud has been available to the public since the 1980's. Trump is a cartoon character, and you love him for it.

I love the fact that he loves his country and pisses you off.

 

[Lockback]

Am I supposed to be offended that a dull witted MAGArat doesn't like me??? Boo ******* hoo.

The only success Trump ever had as a businessman is Trump Tower, and it was widely rumoured that this was only because Fred was pulling strings in the background to make it happen.

Trump's 7 bankruptcies are a world record. Nobody in history has ever lost as much money as Donald Trump.

As a Businessman, Trump Was the Biggest Loser of All

Many Americans still believe that the President is a savvy and successful businessman who knows what he is doing. But the actual record suggests the exact opposite.

www.newyorker.com

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/dHeonald-trump-taxes.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2026/03/10/heres-how-much-donald-trump-is-worth/

I do give Trump credit for being the greatest conman in world history. That is quite the achievement, but not in a good way.

Am I supposed to be offended that a dull witted MAGArat doesn't like me??? Boo ******* hoo.

The only success Trump ever had as a businessman is Trump Tower, and it was widely rumoured that this was only because Fred was pulling strings in the background to make it happen.

Trump's 7 bankruptcies are a world record. Nobody in history has ever lost as much money as Donald Trump.

As a Businessman, Trump Was the Biggest Loser of All

Many Americans still believe that the President is a savvy and successful businessman who knows what he is doing. But the actual record suggests the exact opposite.

www.newyorker.com

Decade in the Red: Trump Tax Figures Show Over $1 Billion in Business Losses (Published 2019)

Newly obtained tax information reveals that from 1985 to 1994, Donald J. Trump’s businesses were in far bleaker condition than was previously known.

www.nytimes.com

https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2026/03/10/heres-how-much-donald-trump-is-worth/

I do give Trump credit for being the greatest conman in world history. That is quite the achievement, but not in a good way.

He cares deeply about you.

I don't obsess on his personal life or even his business successes or failures.
In fact, I don't obsess on him at all. That's a job for "journalists" in Washington and Leftists everywhere, who have turned Trump into an icon the likes of which the world has never seen.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It seems that there's a price to be paid for fighting Israel's wars for them.
Oh well...at least big oil benefits--as usual.
The rest of us, not so much.

I note that this article only talks about gas prices..if one factors in increased shipping costs being passed on to the consumer...it's clear that the consumer is getting screwed again.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/epic-fury-has-already-cancelled-out-big-beautiful-bills-tax-refunds-even-if-the-iran-war-ended-today-cf8ed3fa

It’s been quite an eventful 24 hours, with Israel striking an Iranian gas field, Iran replying with an attack on the world’s biggest liquefied-natural-gas facility in Qatar, and in between Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell ducking and weaving on questions about what the war will mean to the economy.

But it sets up the backdrop for an analysis done by four economists at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research on the impact of the war on the wallets of Americans.

They compare the tax refunds stemming from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act — that giant piece of tax legislation passed last year — with the surge in gasoline prices.

The Internal Revenue Service has data on tax refunds through Feb. 27. They’re up, on average, by 11%, which is a benefit of $360 per filer compared with the same period of 2025. Outside estimates expect the average tax refund when all is said and done to be even higher. Morgan Stanley says $534 higher and the Tax Foundation says $748.

Neale Mahoney, Jared Bernstein, Caleb Brobst and Ryan Cummings use the highest number, $748, to compare with what is likely to happen at the pump over the course of the year. Bernstein was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Biden administration, and Cummings was an economist at the White House between 2021 and 2023.

Using a simple model of the pass-through of crude oil to retail gasoline prices, the Stanford economists conclude that households will pay an extra $740 in gas costs this year.

They use two estimates from Goldman Sachs on the direction of Brent oil futures, one taken before the war and one taken after. The key thing here is that even the new Goldman Sachs estimate forecasts a three-week Strait of Hormuz closure. Given that Thursday marks the 20th day of the conflict, that means the war basically needs to end right now for even the newer Goldman forecast to hold true.

i got double in my tax return this year.....dont know what you are talking about ....800 last year this year 1700....

 

[dblack]

Then why didn't Trump attack Iran 9 years ago?

Bibi didn't say?

 

[Dragonlady]

I love the fact that he loves his country and pisses you off.

The fact that Trump isn't in jail, is proof positive that if you're rich enough, you can buy your way out of anything. There is most definitely a two tiered justice system.

Trump doesn't "love his country". Banks won't lend to him. He's been bankrupt numerous times, and he's doing everything he possibly can to destroy your economy. His first term ended with the economy crashed, and right wing terrorists roaming the streets attacking protestors, while Trump cheered them on.

One of the things that has come out with the release of the Epstein files, is that the FBI was far more interested in prosecuting the women who assisted Epstein in procuring the girls he was trafficking, while ignoring the powerful and wealthy men who were participating in the sexual abuse of his victims.

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/24/nx-s1-5723968/epstein-files-trump-accusation-maxwell

Sister of Epstein victim reported him in 1996, but FBI failed to investigate, files reveal

Maria Farmer, whose sister Annie was abused by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, says Epstein ‘stole’ nude images

www.theguardian.com

4 takeaways from the Epstein files about the FBI investigation of possible sex trafficking

An Associated Press review of internal Justice Department records shows that the FBI found proof Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused underage girls but little evidence of a sex trafficking ring.

www.pbs.org

The former Prince Andrew wasn't arrested for sexually abusing the girls, he was arrested for divulging state secrets to Epstein. Ditto for the high ranking government official who was also arrested.

Congress could call the victims to testify as to who was abusing them. But they haven't called any of Epstein's victims to testify. They are willfully refusing to call the victims. Why is that????

 

[Godboy]

It seems that there's a price to be paid for fighting Israel's wars for them.
Oh well...at least big oil benefits--as usual.
The rest of us, not so much.

I note that this article only talks about gas prices..if one factors in increased shipping costs being passed on to the consumer...it's clear that the consumer is getting screwed again.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/epic-fury-has-already-cancelled-out-big-beautiful-bills-tax-refunds-even-if-the-iran-war-ended-today-cf8ed3fa

It’s been quite an eventful 24 hours, with Israel striking an Iranian gas field, Iran replying with an attack on the world’s biggest liquefied-natural-gas facility in Qatar, and in between Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell ducking and weaving on questions about what the war will mean to the economy.

But it sets up the backdrop for an analysis done by four economists at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research on the impact of the war on the wallets of Americans.

They compare the tax refunds stemming from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act — that giant piece of tax legislation passed last year — with the surge in gasoline prices.

The Internal Revenue Service has data on tax refunds through Feb. 27. They’re up, on average, by 11%, which is a benefit of $360 per filer compared with the same period of 2025. Outside estimates expect the average tax refund when all is said and done to be even higher. Morgan Stanley says $534 higher and the Tax Foundation says $748.

Neale Mahoney, Jared Bernstein, Caleb Brobst and Ryan Cummings use the highest number, $748, to compare with what is likely to happen at the pump over the course of the year. Bernstein was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Biden administration, and Cummings was an economist at the White House between 2021 and 2023.

Using a simple model of the pass-through of crude oil to retail gasoline prices, the Stanford economists conclude that households will pay an extra $740 in gas costs this year.

They use two estimates from Goldman Sachs on the direction of Brent oil futures, one taken before the war and one taken after. The key thing here is that even the new Goldman Sachs estimate forecasts a three-week Strait of Hormuz closure. Given that Thursday marks the 20th day of the conflict, that means the war basically needs to end right now for even the newer Goldman forecast to hold true.

I will gladly pay a little more for gas for a short while, or even permanently, if it means that i dont have to live in a world where the leading sponser of terrorism has nuclear weapons. You are a fool if you dont agree.

 

[dblack]

Trump in a nutshell. Why is it surprising to you that people find him offensive??

I mean, isn't that the point? Isn't that what he's all about?

 

[Lockback]

Trump in a nutshell. Why is it surprising to you that people find him offensive??

I mean, isn't that the point? Isn't that what he's all about?

Sort of.
It doesn't surprise me anymore.
Nor do I care.
Overall, I like the job he's done as President. That's what matters to me, not some business that folded 29 years ago or some babe he banged in Studio 54.

 

[Lockback]

The fact that Trump isn't in jail, is proof positive that if you're rich enough, you can buy your way out of anything. There is most definitely a two tiered justice system.

Trump doesn't "love his country". Banks won't lend to him. He's been bankrupt numerous times, and he's doing everything he possibly can to destroy your economy. His first term ended with the economy crashed, and right wing terrorists roaming the streets attacking protestors, while Trump cheered them on.

One of the things that has come out with the release of the Epstein files, is that the FBI was far more interested in prosecuting the women who assisted Epstein in procuring the girls he was trafficking, while ignoring the powerful and wealthy men who were participating in the sexual abuse of his victims.

https://www.npr.org/2026/02/24/nx-s1-5723968/epstein-files-trump-accusation-maxwell

Sister of Epstein victim reported him in 1996, but FBI failed to investigate, files reveal

Maria Farmer, whose sister Annie was abused by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, says Epstein ‘stole’ nude images

www.theguardian.com

4 takeaways from the Epstein files about the FBI investigation of possible sex trafficking

An Associated Press review of internal Justice Department records shows that the FBI found proof Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused underage girls but little evidence of a sex trafficking ring.

www.pbs.org

The former Prince Andrew wasn't arrested for sexually abusing the girls, he was arrested for divulging state secrets to Epstein. Ditto for the high ranking government official who was also arrested.

Congress could call the victims to testify as to who was abusing them. But they haven't called any of Epstein's victims to testify. They are willfully refusing to call the victims. Why is that????

One of the things I love about bloviating, triggered, yakkamatic Leftists is that I'll post a picture and they'll respond to that with some long, super serious post with all kinds of leftist propaganda links in them, as if I waste my time reading that bullshit.
I've seen it all before.

 

[dblack]

Sort of.
It doesn't surprise me anymore.
Nor do I care.

I know. But if you want to be take seriously, if you want any of the positive things Trump has done to last, you need to start caring. You can't lead a country by offending half the voters, even if you can eek out a majority of the vote.

 

[Lockback]

I know. But if you want to be take seriously, if you want any of the positive things Trump has done to last, you need to start caring. You can't lead a country by offending half the voters, even if you can eek out a majority of the vote.

One would think so but rules don't seem to apply to him. I never thought he could or would get elected twice.
One thing is certain: regardless of how successful he has been or will be, he'll always be hated by the Left. Searing hatred. Sizzling hatred.
I've never seen anything like it.
Most of us Trump supporters like his policies but certainly don't agree with everything he says or does. But when we see the irrational, almost bizarre hatred for him, all we can do is laugh and shake our heads.

 

[dblack]

One would think so but rules don't seem to apply to him.

Maybe not. But reality does, and it will catch up.

One thing is certain: regardless of how successful he has been or will be, he'll always be hated by the Left.

He'll also be hated by anyone with a sense of dignity and ethics. You all see EVERYTHING through the left/right pissing match - but lots of people don't. Some of us see people - and Trump is one shit example of "people".

 

[Mashmont]

It seems that there's a price to be paid for fighting Israel's wars for them.
Oh well...at least big oil benefits--as usual.
The rest of us, not so much.

I note that this article only talks about gas prices..if one factors in increased shipping costs being passed on to the consumer...it's clear that the consumer is getting screwed again.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/epic-fury-has-already-cancelled-out-big-beautiful-bills-tax-refunds-even-if-the-iran-war-ended-today-cf8ed3fa

It’s been quite an eventful 24 hours, with Israel striking an Iranian gas field, Iran replying with an attack on the world’s biggest liquefied-natural-gas facility in Qatar, and in between Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell ducking and weaving on questions about what the war will mean to the economy.

But it sets up the backdrop for an analysis done by four economists at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research on the impact of the war on the wallets of Americans.

They compare the tax refunds stemming from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act — that giant piece of tax legislation passed last year — with the surge in gasoline prices.

The Internal Revenue Service has data on tax refunds through Feb. 27. They’re up, on average, by 11%, which is a benefit of $360 per filer compared with the same period of 2025. Outside estimates expect the average tax refund when all is said and done to be even higher. Morgan Stanley says $534 higher and the Tax Foundation says $748.

Neale Mahoney, Jared Bernstein, Caleb Brobst and Ryan Cummings use the highest number, $748, to compare with what is likely to happen at the pump over the course of the year. Bernstein was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Biden administration, and Cummings was an economist at the White House between 2021 and 2023.

Using a simple model of the pass-through of crude oil to retail gasoline prices, the Stanford economists conclude that households will pay an extra $740 in gas costs this year.

They use two estimates from Goldman Sachs on the direction of Brent oil futures, one taken before the war and one taken after. The key thing here is that even the new Goldman Sachs estimate forecasts a three-week Strait of Hormuz closure. Given that Thursday marks the 20th day of the conflict, that means the war basically needs to end right now for even the newer Goldman forecast to hold true.

It's called deferred maintenance. Trump has had to go in and fix many things that Democrats let go to pot. Iran, The Trump Center for the Performing Arts, White House Ballroom, 0bamacare. Trump, ever the landlord is excellent at revamping, but if you notice, Democrats always leave huge messes for Republican presidents to clean up, and the reason is Democrats are incompetent and inattentive. If we just elected Republicans all the time, we would never have to go through these cycles. Everything would be humming along very nicely at a high level.

There are some Democrats out there would could be competent, such as a few billionaires like Cuban or Steyer. But these guys are never allowed to the seat of power because the loons label them as capitalists. Instead the Democrat leaders are complete incompetents like Kamala, AOC, and Bernie. Not a single one of them has ever run anything efficiently. None are businesspeople. None have prospered in the private sector.

 

[toobfreak]

He did. He killed their Defense Minister.

So you are saying Bibi was happy with that, told Trump to just kill the minister and stop there and Trump complied???

Netanyahu sure is a generous guy.

 

[Woodznutz]

It seems that there's a price to be paid for fighting Israel's wars for them.
Oh well...at least big oil benefits--as usual.
The rest of us, not so much.

I note that this article only talks about gas prices..if one factors in increased shipping costs being passed on to the consumer...it's clear that the consumer is getting screwed again.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/epic-fury-has-already-cancelled-out-big-beautiful-bills-tax-refunds-even-if-the-iran-war-ended-today-cf8ed3fa

It’s been quite an eventful 24 hours, with Israel striking an Iranian gas field, Iran replying with an attack on the world’s biggest liquefied-natural-gas facility in Qatar, and in between Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell ducking and weaving on questions about what the war will mean to the economy.

But it sets up the backdrop for an analysis done by four economists at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research on the impact of the war on the wallets of Americans.

They compare the tax refunds stemming from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act — that giant piece of tax legislation passed last year — with the surge in gasoline prices.

The Internal Revenue Service has data on tax refunds through Feb. 27. They’re up, on average, by 11%, which is a benefit of $360 per filer compared with the same period of 2025. Outside estimates expect the average tax refund when all is said and done to be even higher. Morgan Stanley says $534 higher and the Tax Foundation says $748.

Neale Mahoney, Jared Bernstein, Caleb Brobst and Ryan Cummings use the highest number, $748, to compare with what is likely to happen at the pump over the course of the year. Bernstein was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Biden administration, and Cummings was an economist at the White House between 2021 and 2023.

Using a simple model of the pass-through of crude oil to retail gasoline prices, the Stanford economists conclude that households will pay an extra $740 in gas costs this year.

They use two estimates from Goldman Sachs on the direction of Brent oil futures, one taken before the war and one taken after. The key thing here is that even the new Goldman Sachs estimate forecasts a three-week Strait of Hormuz closure. Given that Thursday marks the 20th day of the conflict, that means the war basically needs to end right now for even the newer Goldman forecast to hold true.

Drive less. Problem solved. You're welcome.

 

[Marener]

It's called deferred maintenance. Trump has had to go in and fix many things that Democrats let go to pot. Iran, The Trump Center for the Performing Arts, White House Ballroom, 0bamacare. Trump, ever the landlord is excellent at revamping, but if you notice, Democrats always leave huge messes for Republican presidents to clean up, and the reason is Democrats are incompetent and inattentive. If we just elected Republicans all the time, we would never have to go through these cycles. Everything would be humming along very nicely at a high level.

There are some Democrats out there would could be competent, such as a few billionaires like Cuban or Steyer. But these guys are never allowed to the seat of power because the loons label them as capitalists. Instead the Democrat leaders are complete incompetents like Kamala, AOC, and Bernie. Not a single one of them has ever run anything efficiently. None are businesspeople. None have prospered in the private sector.

Obama left Trump with a dismantled Iranian nuclear program where they had diluted their enriched uranium to less than 4%.

Trump destroyed that situation, and next thing you know Iran has highly enriched uranium and ready to get to weapons grade within a week.

Trump is far better at destroying than creating.

 

[Dragonlady]

I will gladly pay a little more for gas for a short while, or even permanently, if it means that i dont have to live in a world where the leading sponser of terrorism has nuclear weapons. You are a fool if you dont agree.

That's not what you said when gas prices spiked under Joe Biden.