Entitlement mentality...

[Rustic]

Entitlement mentality: I bought a house and should therefore pay less taxes than someone who didn't.

Entitlement mentality: I have kids, and should therefore pay less taxes than someone who doesn't.


For every dollar that is deducted from taxes, a dollar has to be extracted from someone else's pocket. That means higher tax rates on every taxpayer, present and future. Therefore, deductions are robbery/redistribution as much as SCHIP.

That is why everyone should pay the same amount, not percentage.
That way the federal government can never spend more than what it has....

 

[g5000]

Me and millions just like me don’t want anything to do with socialist anything.

Horseshit. Do you approve of being given tax deductions, credits, and exemptions which are paid for by higher tax rates on all taxpayers and borrowing from China?

If so, then you are a bigger welfare leech than anyone on food stamps.

Taxes should never be based on success, Flat rate and that means spending can never go above that.

Letter from Thomas Jefferson to James Madison.

Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise.

BOMBSHELL BREAKING: CONSERVATIVE HERO THOMAS JEFFERSON HAS JUST BEEN UNMASKED AS A MARXIST!


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He was wrong on that one, Progressive taxes are punishment for success... No two ways about it.

Nope. Jefferson understood flat taxes are regressive. He saw tremendous wealth inequality in France and saw the cause was the "violation of natural right".

 

[Andylusion]

Federal government has no claim to frivolous taxes

Who determines the definition of "frivolous" taxes?
https://www.gao.gov/assets/660/654957.pdf

the constitution,,,

and it states that taxs are for paying debts not for redistribution

Income taxes would seem to imply a level of redistribution, no?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states on the basis of population.

"It was passed by Congress in 1909 in response to the 1895 Supreme Court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.

"The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified by the requisite number of states on February 3, 1913, and effectively overruled the Supreme Court's ruling in Pollock."

that says nothing about how the taxs are used
so whats the constitution say???

What does the Constitution say about the General Welfare?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"During the late nineteenth century, various groups, including the Populist Party, favored the establishment of a progressive income tax at the federal level.

"These groups believed that tariffs unfairly taxed the poor, and they favored using the income tax to shift the tax burden onto wealthier individuals."

Can you find any Constitutional authority for crony-capitalism?

The general welfare clause, is to prevent the type of programs we have today. The general welfare specifically says that all taxing and spending, should be exclusively for the general welfare.

Meaning, that if you have system that does not help everyone equally, then it is unconstitutional. You can't have a program that taxes one group of people, and benefits another group of people. That is not "general welfare" to tax me, to pay for your food, or tax me to pay for your pension, or tax me to pay for your health care.

If you are helping one group, while harming another, that is a violation of the requirement that government provide for the general welfare.

An example of general welfare would be protection of the nation as a whole, which benefits everyone. Such protection would be prevention of people illegally entering the country.

that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated; and that, as it was never meant they should provide for that welfare but by the exercise of the enumerated powers

-Thomas Jefferson.
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This is well established that general welfare was never to provide government limited power to do whatever it likes in the name of 'general welfare'. It was always to say that the use of the specifically established powers of the Federal Government, could only be used for the purposes of the general welfare, and never to be used for the benefit of one group, at the expense of another.

Of course there is no constitutional authority for crony-capitalism. Which is why I'm one hundred percent against crony capitalism. Let's close down all those green-energy grants to big companies. Let's end all those minority owned business supports. Let's terminate every aspect of crony capitalism.

 

[g5000]

Entitlement mentality: I bought a house and should therefore pay less taxes than someone who didn't.

Entitlement mentality: I have kids, and should therefore pay less taxes than someone who doesn't.


For every dollar that is deducted from taxes, a dollar has to be extracted from someone else's pocket. That means higher tax rates on every taxpayer, present and future. Therefore, deductions are robbery/redistribution as much as SCHIP.

That is why everyone should pay the same amount, not percentage.
That way the federal government can never spend more than what it has....

Entities earning identical incomes should pay identical income taxes. We currently have a system where that is not the case. Not even close.

We have a massive $1.4 trillion annual wealth redistribution in the form of tax expenditures. It's insane.

If I buy the right kind of refrigerator, I pay less taxes than another person who earned the same income I did. It astonishes me when pseudocons defend this insane welfare mentality to the death.

It's not the poor who are breaking the bank. It's everyone else.

 

[georgephillip]

Who determines the definition of "frivolous" taxes?
https://www.gao.gov/assets/660/654957.pdf

the constitution,,,

and it states that taxs are for paying debts not for redistribution

Income taxes would seem to imply a level of redistribution, no?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states on the basis of population.

"It was passed by Congress in 1909 in response to the 1895 Supreme Court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.

"The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified by the requisite number of states on February 3, 1913, and effectively overruled the Supreme Court's ruling in Pollock."

that says nothing about how the taxs are used
so whats the constitution say???

What does the Constitution say about the General Welfare?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"During the late nineteenth century, various groups, including the Populist Party, favored the establishment of a progressive income tax at the federal level.

"These groups believed that tariffs unfairly taxed the poor, and they favored using the income tax to shift the tax burden onto wealthier individuals."

Can you find any Constitutional authority for crony-capitalism?

it says promote not provide,,,

and those groups are allowed to have any view or opinion they want as long as it doesnt violate the constitution,,,which redistribution does

How do you provide for common defense and general welfare without redistributing national income?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

"The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."

 

[progressive hunter]

Me and millions just like me don’t want anything to do with socialist anything. With Socialized healthcare comes a price far too large to justify it.
- Tons of paid time off for everything from vacation time to holidays to maternity leave to sick pay to whatever... no thanks. Too expensive for everybody to justify.
- Individual personal decisions determined by the collective... no thanks. Big brother has no credibility.
- political correctness to replace freedom of speech... no thanks. I like to think for myself.

How do you feel about socialism for rich Americans?

Ten Examples of Welfare for the Rich and Corporations | HuffPost

"2. Direct federal subsidies to corporations: The Cato Institute estimates that federal subsidies to corporations cost taxpayers almost $100 billion every year.

"3. Federal tax breaks for corporations: The tax code gives corporations special tax breaks that have reduced what is supposed to be a 35-percent tax rate to an actual tax rate of 13 percent, saving these corporations an additional $200 billion annually, according to the U.S. Government Accountability Office."

Federal government has no claim to frivolous taxes

Who determines the definition of "frivolous" taxes?
https://www.gao.gov/assets/660/654957.pdf

the constitution,,,

and it states that taxs are for paying debts not for redistribution

You should read the Constitutions sometime.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

I have and it clearly say that taxs be used for debts,,,and no where does it say for redistribution,,,
if I'm wrong please show me where it says different


you are a faceless voice that means nothing, so please back up what you claim with something concrete other than your opinion

 

[progressive hunter]

the constitution,,,

and it states that taxs are for paying debts not for redistribution

Income taxes would seem to imply a level of redistribution, no?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states on the basis of population.

"It was passed by Congress in 1909 in response to the 1895 Supreme Court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.

"The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified by the requisite number of states on February 3, 1913, and effectively overruled the Supreme Court's ruling in Pollock."

that says nothing about how the taxs are used
so whats the constitution say???

What does the Constitution say about the General Welfare?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"During the late nineteenth century, various groups, including the Populist Party, favored the establishment of a progressive income tax at the federal level.

"These groups believed that tariffs unfairly taxed the poor, and they favored using the income tax to shift the tax burden onto wealthier individuals."

Can you find any Constitutional authority for crony-capitalism?

it says promote not provide,,,

and those groups are allowed to have any view or opinion they want as long as it doesnt violate the constitution,,,which redistribution does

How do you provide for common defense and general welfare without redistributing national income?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

"The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."

its says general welfare not redistribution,,, not to steal from the majority to give to those that refuse to work,,,

the results of that hurt the general welfare

 

[francoHFW]

So you're saying that poor folks aren't entitled to healthcare? Aren't entitled to LIVE?

No that is not what I'm saying...you don't want healthcare assistance for just the poor...you want a single payer program so it feels free...but its not...in fact its more costly and short in quality....

nothing could be more expensive than the GOP scam system we had before Obamacare.Every other modern country has single-payer basically and they pay about half what we do. Obamacare is actually the GOP system they always brought up, it will work but it takes time. Already the cost rise curve has bent down... And 75% of those on the exchanges pay less than $100 a month.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Enumerated powers is all the govt should have EVER been able to do. The Founders warned us that giving them unlimited power would end in a Govt too powerful.

We didnt listen. Now we have what they warned us about.

 

[eagle1462010]

Income taxes would seem to imply a level of redistribution, no?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states on the basis of population.

"It was passed by Congress in 1909 in response to the 1895 Supreme Court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.

"The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified by the requisite number of states on February 3, 1913, and effectively overruled the Supreme Court's ruling in Pollock."

that says nothing about how the taxs are used
so whats the constitution say???

What does the Constitution say about the General Welfare?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"During the late nineteenth century, various groups, including the Populist Party, favored the establishment of a progressive income tax at the federal level.

"These groups believed that tariffs unfairly taxed the poor, and they favored using the income tax to shift the tax burden onto wealthier individuals."

Can you find any Constitutional authority for crony-capitalism?

it says promote not provide,,,

and those groups are allowed to have any view or opinion they want as long as it doesnt violate the constitution,,,which redistribution does

How do you provide for common defense and general welfare without redistributing national income?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

"The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."

its says general welfare,,, not to steal from the majority to give to those that refuse to work,,,

the results of that hurt the general welfare

General Welfare clause was never intended to be beyond the enumerated powers.

 

[eagle1462010]

Life. Liberty and pursuit of happyness. Liberty is not an oppressive govt that has exceeded its powers. Happyness cant be achieved when the abusive govt steals you blund with taxes to give to someone else.

Liberty is nor the destruction of the value of our currency through manipultion and overspending by the govt

 

[progressive hunter]

Life. Liberty and pursuit of happyness. Liberty is not an oppressive govt that has exceeded its powers. Happyness cant be achieved when the abusive govt steals you blund with taxes to give to someone else.

Liberty is nor the destruction of the value of our currency through manipultion and overspending by the govt

government controlled healthcare kinda takes control of your life

 

[danielpalos]

The Enumerated powers is all the govt should have EVER been able to do. The Founders warned us that giving them unlimited power would end in a Govt too powerful.

We didnt listen. Now we have what they warned us about.

we have a general welfare clause not a general warfare clause. there is no express wall building clause.

 

[georgephillip]

Meaning, that if you have system that does not help everyone equally, then it is unconstitutional. You can't have a program that taxes one group of people, and benefits another group of people. That is not "general welfare" to tax me, to pay for your food, or tax me to pay for your pension, or tax me to pay for your health care.

When 1% of citizens bribe elected government for favorable tax and trade policies leading to an unfair distribution of income, that also can not be construed as providing for the general welfare.

One chart that shows how much worse income inequality is in America than Europe

Progressive taxation compensates for the "free ride" the donor class receives from bribing politicians at all levels of government.

 

[georgephillip]

Of course there is no constitutional authority for crony-capitalism. Which is why I'm one hundred percent against crony capitalism. Let's close down all those green-energy grants to big companies. Let's end all those minority owned business supports. Let's terminate every aspect of crony capitalism

It's a long list:

Ten Examples of Welfare for the Rich and Corporations | HuffPost

"4. Federal tax breaks for wealthy hedge fund managers: Special tax breaks for hedge fund managers allow them to pay only a 15-percent rate while the people they earned the money for usually pay a 35-percent rate. This is the break where the multimillionaire manager pays less of a percentage in taxes than her secretary. The National Priorities Project estimates this costs taxpayers $83 billion annually, and 68 percent of those who receive this special tax break earn more than $462,500 per year (the top 1 percent of earners).

"5. Subsidies to the fast food industry: Research by the University of Illinois and UC Berkeley documents that taxpayers pay about $243 billion each year in indirect subsidies to the fast food industry because they pay wages so low that taxpayers must put up $243 billion to pay for public benefits for their workers.

"6. Mortgage deduction: The home mortgage deduction, which costs taxpayers $70 billion per year, is a huge subsidy to the real estate, banking and construction industries. The Center of Budget and Policy Priorities estimated that 77 percent of the benefit goes to homeowners with incomes over $100,000 per year."

 

[georgephillip]

Income taxes would seem to imply a level of redistribution, no?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"The Sixteenth Amendment (Amendment XVI) to the United States Constitution allows Congress to levy an income tax without apportioning it among the states on the basis of population.

"It was passed by Congress in 1909 in response to the 1895 Supreme Court case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.

"The Sixteenth Amendment was ratified by the requisite number of states on February 3, 1913, and effectively overruled the Supreme Court's ruling in Pollock."

that says nothing about how the taxs are used
so whats the constitution say???

What does the Constitution say about the General Welfare?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"During the late nineteenth century, various groups, including the Populist Party, favored the establishment of a progressive income tax at the federal level.

"These groups believed that tariffs unfairly taxed the poor, and they favored using the income tax to shift the tax burden onto wealthier individuals."

Can you find any Constitutional authority for crony-capitalism?

it says promote not provide,,,

and those groups are allowed to have any view or opinion they want as long as it doesnt violate the constitution,,,which redistribution does

How do you provide for common defense and general welfare without redistributing national income?

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

"The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."

its says general welfare not redistribution,,, not to steal from the majority to give to those that refuse to work,,,

the results of that hurt the general welfare

The general welfare is also harmed by those who steal from low wage workers laboring at multiple jobs every week:

Ten Examples of Welfare for the Rich and Corporations | HuffPost

"5. Subsidies to the fast food industry: Research by the University of Illinois and UC Berkeley documents that taxpayers pay about $243 billion each year in indirect subsidies to the fast food industry because they pay wages so low that taxpayers must put up $243 billion to pay for public benefits for their workers."

At the apex of the fast food industry you have executives and shareholders of major corporations who have used political influence to obtain their income; why shouldn't government redress that injustice?

 

[anynameyouwish]

Me and millions just like me don’t want anything to do with socialist anything. With Socialized healthcare comes a price far too large to justify it.
- Tons of paid time off for everything from vacation time to holidays to maternity leave to sick pay to whatever... no thanks. Too expensive for everybody to justify.
- Individual personal decisions determined by the collective... no thanks. Big brother has no credibility.
- political correctness to replace freedom of speech... no thanks. I like to think for myself.

isn't "white privilege" just a euphemism for entitlement?

 

[georgephillip]

government controlled healthcare kinda takes control of your life

I became eligible for Medicare/Medical six years ago, and my life has never been as free as it is today; it is a national shame Americans have to wait until they retire to enjoy freedom from the threat of medical bankruptcy.

 

[initforme]

Paying taxes is a big time form of patriotism.

 

[eagle1462010]

15 Countries With The Highest Tax Rates In The World | Nomad Capitalist

EU takes all the citizens money.......taxes them to death.........Oink Oink