End the shutdown, do this deal, extend the ACA subsidy, but pay for it by approving the $200b in DOGE savings. (Poll)

Should there be a deal to keep the ACA subsidies & pay for them with the DOGE savings?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • No

    Votes: 17 77.3%
  • Other see my post

    Votes: 2 9.1%

  • Total voters
    22
Makes zero sense. EO’s fix fraud? Nope. Fraud is a crime when it involves public funds. Abuse can be a crime as well.
When DOGE computerizes and optimizes ancient inefficient government systems with an EO, the paper employee records in a mine comes to mind as an example.
Must be more of that Trump math. You didn’t save $2T. You stopped a $200B program once.
If DOGE didn't stop them they would waste money for at least 10-years.
Indeed. Where are your threads alleging corruption in the blob’s DOJ? It’s been 10 months…. what's the hold up?
Pam Bondi runs a tight ship. Must be too many deep state holdovers slowing things down.
No republicans voted for anything you deem wasteful? Really?
I showed yo some of the democrat slush funds in post #54. I don't know of any GOP slush funds.
 
When DOGE computerizes and optimizes ancient inefficient government systems with an EO, the paper employee records in a mine comes to mind as an example.
LOL...
If DOGE didn't stop them they would waste money for at least 10-years.
Did the waste happen during Trump’s first term?
Pam Bondi runs a tight ship. Must be too many deep state holdovers slowing things down.
If she “ran a tight ship”, it wouldn’t take 10 months and counting to return indictments to actual fraud in the tunes of “trillions” of dollars as was alleged by DOGE.
I showed yo some of the democrat slush funds in post #54.
No, you posted a bunch of hit pieces by right wing media.
I don't know of any GOP slush funds.
You must have missed the $400 toilet seats the DoD regularly buys or the subsidies and bailouts of the already subsidized farmers.

You miss quite a bit, don’t you?

Just pick a date in the future...If someone isn’t held to account for the “trillions” in “fraud” DOGE says they found, at what date will you admit that DOGE is lying or Blondi is as incompetent as everyone says she is? At what date in the future can we expect you to veer somewhere near honesty.
 
I gave you a solid example, your reply is LOL. ok.
Did the waste happen during Trump’s first term?
It happened in every president's term. DOGE found it. Can congress fix it is the question.
If she “ran a tight ship”, it wouldn’t take 10 months and counting to return indictments to actual fraud in the tunes of “trillions” of dollars as was alleged by DOGE.
No, you posted a bunch of hit pieces by right wing media.
As I said last post, democrat are good at setting up slush funds.

You can google any source you prefer, the theft is real, but the slush fund may be legit, harder to close and prosecute.
You must have missed the $400 toilet seats the DoD regularly buys or the subsidies and bailouts of the already subsidized farmers.
You miss quite a bit, don’t you?
Just pick a date in the future...If someone isn’t held to account for the “trillions” in “fraud” DOGE says they found, at what date will you admit that DOGE is lying or Blondi is as incompetent as everyone says she is? At what date in the future can we expect you to veer somewhere near honesty.
The $400 toilet seats were for B-2s during the VN war. Its still expensive to build advanced weaponry, not necessarily fraud.
Got any Republican slush funds?
 
I gave you a solid example, your reply is LOL. ok.
You mentioned something about DOGE computerizing files and something about a mine. It was hilarious.
It happened in every president's term. DOGE found it. Can congress fix it is the question.
DOGE alleged fraud.
Fraud is a crime.
The Exective branch is solely responsible for enforcing laws.
Congress has nothing to do with that.

Agreed?

So we’re going on 11 months now since “trillions in fraud” was supposedly discovered by the now disgraced Elon Musk... where are the indictments, arrests, trials, etc....????


As I said last post, democrat are good at setting up slush funds.
As I said in my last post, your mischaractization is all you’re citing.
If “climate depot” says so I guess.... Are you serious?
If this is factual...where are the indictments, arrests, trials, etc?
This isn’t even federal
You can google any source you prefer, the theft is real, but the slush fund may be legit, harder to close and prosecute.
There are no legal “slush” funds.
Theft is a crime.
The Executive is responsible for enforcing laws.
Why aren’t they doing so?
The $400 toilet seats were for B-2s during the VN war. Its still expensive to build advanced weaponry, not necessarily fraud.
LOL....sure.
Got any Republican slush funds?
Sure...where do you think these farmers are getting their bail out money? With your blob deciding what congressional appropriations actually get funded, the entire treasury is a GOP slush fund.

Again...you guys say you’ve found fraud. You--you yourself--have said theft was committed.
At what point will you actually veer into honesty (buy a roadmap so you can find it) and admit the blob’s DOJ is either incompetent or you guys were wrong?
 
You mentioned something about DOGE computerizing files and something about a mine. It was hilarious.
I assumed you knew how to use google.
DOGE alleged fraud. Fraud is a crime. The Executive branch is solely responsible for enforcing laws.
Congress has nothing to do with that. Agreed?
So we’re going on 11 months now since “trillions in fraud” was supposedly discovered by the now disgraced Elon Musk... where are the indictments, arrests, trials, etc....????
Fraud can be "legitimized". OK, instead of "fraud" lets call the DOGE savings "waste and abuse".
As I said in my last post, your mischaracterization is all you’re citing. If “climate depot” says so I guess.... Are you serious?
If this is factual...where are the indictments, arrests, trials, etc?
So if democrats give Podesta and Stacy Abrams billions of dollars to manage, you don't see a problem with that?
Suppose Republicans gave billions of taxpayer dollars to Steve Miller, Steve Bannon, or Sean Hannity?
This isn’t even federal
Yes it is
"In parts of rural New Hampshire, untouched by inclement weather, Granite Staters still don’t have high-speed broadband today, despite a $42 billion boondoggle pushed by U.S. Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and the Biden administration."
There are no legal “slush” funds. Theft is a crime. The Executive is responsible for enforcing laws. Why aren’t they doing so?
As I said above, instead of "fraud" lets call the democrat slush funds "waste and abuse" since they are apparently legit, but do need to be "clawed-back".
Sure...where do you think these farmers are getting their bail out money? With your blob deciding what congressional appropriations actually get funded, the entire treasury is a GOP slush fund.
When tariffs affect farmers they need to be made whole. China reneged on their original soy bean deal with the US.
Again...you guys say you’ve found fraud. You--you yourself--have said theft was committed.
At what point will you actually veer into honesty (buy a roadmap so you can find it) and admit the blob’s DOJ is either incompetent or you guys were wrong?
I showed you hundreds of billions of dollars setup in slush funds managed by democrat operatives. I don't know if they will be prosecuted, or if they broke any laws. But I do know that those billions of taxpayer dollars need to be "clawed-back", either by the DOJ or by congress via "rescission".
 
I assumed you knew how to use google.
I’m aware of this. What is humorous is that in the context of saving us “billions” of dollars, you’re bringing it up.
Fraud can be "legitimized". OK, instead of "fraud" lets call the DOGE savings "waste and abuse".
I’d love to. Except the blob administration said it was fraud. Were they lying?
So if democrats give Podesta and Stacy Abrams billions of dollars to manage, you don't see a problem with that?
Suppose Republicans gave billions of taxpayer dollars to Steve Miller, Steve Bannon, or Sean Hannity?
The allegations are just that allegations.

As for the act of “giving” money away, the government does that all the time with grants to colleges, NGOs, and even the Argentine governemnt in the case of your blob.
As I said above, instead of "fraud" lets call the democrat slush funds "waste and abuse" since they are apparently legit, but do need to be "clawed-back".
As I said above, you’re trying to re-write history.

Your blob’s administration used the word “fraud”. Again...were they lying or not?

Do you think those in high office should be alleging crimes if they don’t know for sure?

Again, at what point will you say either they are lying or the DOJ is just inept?
When tariffs affect farmers they need to be made whole. China reneged on their original soy bean deal with the US.
Oh lord. Do you even remotely try to state anything truthful? The farmers were subsidized and bailed out twice in the blob’s first term. Please link to the deal that China supposedly violated.
I showed you hundreds of billions of dollars setup in slush funds managed by democrat operatives. I don't know if they will be prosecuted, or if they broke any laws. But I do know that those billions of taxpayer dollars need to be "clawed-back", either by the DOJ or by congress via "rescission".
Quick question...

After being lied to about the supposed “trillions” in waste they found...do you find any reason to be suspicious about the supposed “billions” they identified?

Another question....

Unless there is some actual looting going on from the treasury...can you explain how the money got put into these alleged “slush funds” to start with if it wasn’t voted on by Congress? If it was voted on by Congress and signed off by the President...should the Executive have the power to simply nullify the funding? If so..what good is any appropriation...
 
I’m aware of this. What is humorous is that in the context of saving us “billions” of dollars, you’re bringing it up.

I’d love to. Except the blob administration said it was fraud. Were they lying?

The allegations are just that allegations.

As for the act of “giving” money away, the government does that all the time with grants to colleges, NGOs, and even the Argentine governemnt in the case of your blob.

As I said above, you’re trying to re-write history.

Your blob’s administration used the word “fraud”. Again...were they lying or not?

Do you think those in high office should be alleging crimes if they don’t know for sure?

Again, at what point will you say either they are lying or the DOJ is just inept?

Oh lord. Do you even remotely try to state anything truthful? The farmers were subsidized and bailed out twice in the blob’s first term. Please link to the deal that China supposedly violated.

Quick question...

After being lied to about the supposed “trillions” in waste they found...do you find any reason to be suspicious about the supposed “billions” they identified?

Another question....

Unless there is some actual looting going on from the treasury...can you explain how the money got put into these alleged “slush funds” to start with if it wasn’t voted on by Congress? If it was voted on by Congress and signed off by the President...should the Executive have the power to simply nullify the funding? If so..what good is any appropriation...
We cannot talk about all of these items if Progressive Socialist Communists are totally innocent of any wrongs in every way. Years of huge ills with hidden language and tentacles have intertwined much of the programs in our nation. Removing any of them may affect payouts and who benefit sand other things. This was done intentionally. And the people who have done it are serious in their goals. A fair percentage of people in Congress have no abilities to do this. They just vote it in. This is how you get around the Constitution while praising it.
 
We cannot talk about all of these items if Progressive Socialist Communists are totally innocent of any wrongs in every way. Years of huge ills with hidden language and tentacles have intertwined much of the programs in our nation. Removing any of them may affect payouts and who benefit sand other things. This was done intentionally. And the people who have done it are serious in their goals. A fair percentage of people in Congress have no abilities to do this. They just vote it in. This is how you get around the Constitution while praising it.

Another sad meandering brain fart from you.
 
I’m aware of this. What is humorous is that in the context of saving us “billions” of dollars, you’re bringing it up.
DOGE savings are $214b and counting. Modernizing outdated government systems will save billions.
I’d love to. Except the blob administration said it was fraud. Were they lying?
Stealing billions of taxpayer dollars and legitimizing the theft by congressionally approved slush funds is actually fraud, but since its "legitimate", it needs to be "clawed-back".
The allegations are just that allegations.
As for the act of “giving” money away, the government does that all the time with grants to colleges, NGOs, and even the Argentine government in the case of your blob.
The democrat slush funds are real, I gave you the links. If Trump made slush funds run by Republicans, democrats should claw them back when they are back in power.
As I said above, you’re trying to re-write history.
Your blob’s administration used the word “fraud”. Again...were they lying or not?
Do you think those in high office should be alleging crimes if they don’t know for sure?
Again, at what point will you say either they are lying or the DOJ is just inept?
It is fraud. But it is legitimized. The $billions need to be clawed-back via rescission.
Oh lord. Do you even remotely try to state anything truthful? The farmers were subsidized and bailed out twice in the blob’s first term. Please link to the deal that China supposedly violated.
Quick question...
After being lied to about the supposed “trillions” in waste they found...do you find any reason to be suspicious about the supposed “billions” they identified?
Answered previously. Depends on the scoring. A 10-year score is roughly 10 x $214b = $2.14T
Another question....
Unless there is some actual looting going on from the treasury...can you explain how the money got put into these alleged “slush funds” to start with if it wasn’t voted on by Congress? If it was voted on by Congress and signed off by the President...should the Executive have the power to simply nullify the funding? If so..what good is any appropriation...
"In 2022, President Joe Biden named Podesta to helm the climate fund, which resulted from the Inflation Reduction Act, a 2022 law that was aimed at combatting climate change and creating clean energy.
Last year, EPA advisor Brent Efron was caught on video describing how the agency hastily parceled out a related $20 billion climate fund that was held by Citibank before the end of the Biden administration."
 
DOGE savings are $214b and counting. Modernizing outdated government systems will save billions.
Far cry from the “trillion” we were promised.
Stealing billions of taxpayer dollars and legitimizing the theft by congressionally approved slush funds is actually fraud, but since its "legitimate", it needs to be "clawed-back".
Fraud is a crime; its not legitmate
The democrat slush funds are real, I gave you the links. If Trump made slush funds run by Republicans, democrats should claw them back when they are back in power.
There are no “slush funds”. There are priorities you don’t like and you label them with that absurdity.
It is fraud. But it is legitimized. The $billions need to be clawed-back via rescission.
You don’t seem to know the definition of fraud. Fraud is a crime.


 
Far cry from the “trillion” we were promised.
If scored over 10-years it is $2T
Fraud is a crime; its not legitimate
There are no “slush funds”. There are priorities you don’t like and you label them with that absurdity.
Please read this entire article. A slush fund by any other name.
You don’t seem to know the definition of fraud. Fraud is a crime.
If a "slush fund" scammed from taxpayers is "legitimized" its still "fraud".
 
If scored over 10-years it is $2T
You’re presuming Trump wouldn’t have cut it? Yeah...you can’t have it both ways.
Please read this entire article. A slush fund by any other name.

If a "slush fund" scammed from taxpayers is "legitimized" its still "fraud".

If Congress enacts it and the money is not spent for the purposes enacted BY LAW, that is fraud.
What you’re whining about over and over and over and over again spending you disagree with and calling it a “slush fund”. Perhaps you can grow up for a change?
 
You’re presuming Trump wouldn’t have cut it? Yeah...you can’t have it both ways.
True, the DOGE savings were there thru several administrations and have a low probability of being cut, but who knows. The future is hard to predict, which is why the CBO 10-year scoring is so ridiculous, budgets change every year.
If Congress enacts it and the money is not spent for the purposes enacted BY LAW, that is fraud.
What you’re whining about over and over and over and over again spending you disagree with and calling it a “slush fund”. Perhaps you can grow up for a change?
Not exactly. If the slush funds were not managed by democrat operatives you might have a point. But the money is being funneled to new NGOs with no track record. If the money was properly spent it wouldn't be fraud, it would be waste. p.s. I'm not calling it a "slush fund" everyone is, because it is.
 
Then it was a good move. But what logic says the 44m voters would like that subsidy gone?


According to AI. More like 20 million. And most because of subsidies slipped into $2T Obiden scam bills.******

24.2 million consumers selected health coverage through the Affordable Care Act (ACA) Marketplaces, including 3.9 million new enrollees and 20.2 million returning consumers.
This marks an all-time high and represents more than double the number of enrollees compared to the 2021 Open Enrollment Period.
The increase has been driven by enhanced tax credits from the American Rescue Plan Act and the Inflation Reduction Act, expanded outreach efforts, and greater affordability, with four out of five HealthCare.gov customers able to find a plan for $10 or less per month after subsidies.
 
Whatever "deal" they come up with only lasts until November, so why the drama? This is what happens when the politicians try to shove something into a 'must pass' bill that they themselves have engineered, except this time there may actually be too much free shit in it, if that's possible. They should leave this tax credit for the aca out and pass a bullshit spending bill and put this tax credit bullshit bill in a new bullshit bill and vote on it. That's probably their plan anyway, if they have one, which I doubt. The aca needs to die a natural death.
 
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Whatever "deal" they come up with only lasts until November, so why the drama? This is what happens when the politicians try to shove something into a 'must pass' bill that they themselves have engineered, except this time there may actually be too much free shit in it, if that's possible. They should leave this tax credit for the aca out and pass a bullshit spending bill and put this tax credit bullshit bill in a new bullshit bill and vote on it. That's probably their plan anyway, if they have one, which I doubt. The aca needs to die a natural death.
OK, assume the ACA dies. What are the ramifications? (see below) Are these outcomes acceptable?
How would voting be affected? Would democrats gain? Remember granny being thrown over the cliff?


30m people would lose healthcare coverage
1.2m jobs would be lost

More than 22 million people will be in jeopardy of losing their health insurance coverage.
• 130 million people with pre-existing conditions could face discrimination by insurers once again,
and have insurance priced out of their reach or become "uninsurable".
• People will also face the prospect of insurance plans that cut off coverage when people need it
most, due to the reinstatement of annual or lifetime caps. More than 105 million people have
benefited from the ACA's ban on lifetime limits (this includes people with employer-based health insurance).
• People will once again face a world where insurance plans routinely fail to provide comprehensive
coverage, including coverage for pregnancy, prescription drugs, and mental health and substance
abuse treatment (this includes people with employer-based health insurance).
• Millions will lose guaranteed coverage of free preventive services, like recommended cancer
screenings and vaccines (this includes people with employer-based health insurance and Medicare).
 

Holy conflated mess batman.

90% of the SNAP spending is by Americans for Americans.

10% of SNAP benefits ($4B) go to legal immigrants and helps them to get by while they get education, assimilate and become citizens.
 
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