Election voter fraud does it exist?

[g5000]

Election voter fraud does it exist?​

In May 2021, Arizona indicted Tracy Lee McKay for voting in her dead mother’s name last November. McKay is a registered Republican. “Voter fraud cases are rare,” the Arizona Mirror reported.

Still, there appears to have been a bit of an epidemic of Republican dead mothers voting. In Pennsylvania, Robert Richard Lynn pleaded guilty in August to doing the same thing as McKay with his deceased mother’s ballot in the 2020 presidential election. In May, Bruce Bartman, to borrow poker vernacular, “saw Lynn and raised him one”: He pleaded guilty to registering to vote in both his dead mother’s name and that of his dead mother-in-law. He registered both women as Republicans, and actually cast a ballot as his mother. “I listened to too much propaganda and made a stupid mistake,” he told the judge at his sentencing.

Republican Ralph Holloway Thurman also made it a family affair. Thurman, a Pennsylvania voter, asked poll worker Eric Frank while voting whether he (Thurman) could vote for his son as well as himself. Hours after Frank answered “no,” he recognized Thurman back in line wearing sunglasses. Frank alerted authorities, resulting in Thurman’s successful prosecution for attempting to vote twice. The case gained notoriety last month when Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) honored his pledge to pay $25,000 to anyone reporting voter fraud. The pledge was intended to find proof of anti-Trump shenanigans, but last month Patrick sent a check to Frank, a Democrat who found proof of Republican voter fraud.

The Heritage Foundation database also lists Edward Snodgrass, a Republican town trustee in Ohio. He varied the family pattern from the maternal to the paternal, agreeing to plead guilty for voting for his dead father.

In Virginia, Jonathan Meade West Sr., an “unabashed conservative,” was convicted in January of trying to vote twice, once by absentee ballot and once in person.

The Pattern of GOP Voter Fraud​

 

[g5000]

Election voter fraud does it exist?​

Florida Trump supporters arrested on charges of casting more than one vote in 2020 election​

Jay Ketcik, John Rider and Joan Halstead, who all live in The Villages in Sumter County, Fla., face felony charges and up to five years in prison for allegedly casting more than one ballot in the most recent presidential contest, according to county arrest records.

I told you this election was rigged!



Some of you may recall The Villages from this video:




WHITE POWER!

 

[Rumpole]

VERY immature to act like this.
There is every reason to mistrust the electoral system and indeed not only has fraud been exposed, but elections supervisors have been caught red handed.
ie Brenda Snipes, Democrat, Supervisor of Elections, Broward County, Florida

Why you or anyone would act so belligerent and immature because someone simply questions the process is indicative of a lack of respect for the process of democracy.

Rogue incidents do not prove Trump's allegation that 'Democrats stole the election'.

On that charge, no evidence to prove it has ever been submitted to any court of law or anywhere, not on TV, not on any public forum. I've been looking for it since the election, nd no one has proven it, to date.

IF there were a massive conspiracy, all done via internal means, tampering, ballot stuffing, a massive conspiracy and coordinated effort, it would have been planned months in advance, requiring hundreds, of not thousands of people across at least a dozen states (and since elections are often decided in one or two states, these are not known at the outset), and there would be whistleblowers. And I am not even getting into the well night improbable logistics of the thing, it would be a logistics nightmare, fraught with the attempt going wrong. But Republicans are asserting that Biden is a doddering, dementia riddled old fart. So what, this doddering, dementia riddled old fart stole the election from the stable genius? If THAT were true, then Trump is the most incompetent candidate in history. It doesn't compute, the allegation is beyond-the-pale absurd.

Where are the whistleblowers? There are none Sorry, the gig is up, you guys lost. Get over it.

 

[Lastamender]

Rogue incidents do not prove Trump's allegation that 'Democrats stole the election'.

On that charge, no evidence to prove it has ever been submitted to any court of law or anywhere, not on TV, not on any public forum. I've been looking for it since the election, nd no one has proven it, to date.

IF there were a massive conspiracy, all done via internal means, tampering, ballot stuffing, a massive conspiracy and coordinated effort, it would have been planned months in advance, requiring hundreds, of not thousands of people across at least a dozen states (and since elections are often decided in one or two states, these are not known at the outset), and there would be whistleblowers. And I am not even getting into the well night improbable logistics of the thing, it would be a logistics nightmare, fraught with the attempt going wrong. But Republicans are asserting that Biden is a doddering, dementia riddled old fart. So what, this doddering, dementia riddled old fart stole the election from the stable genius? If THAT were true, then Trump is the most incompetent candidate in history. It doesn't compute, the allegation is beyond-the-pale absurd.

Where are the whistleblowers? There are none Sorry, the gig is up, you guys lost. Get over it.

Rouge incidents? Access to the voter rolls in the swing states allowed Biden to steal 71 electoral votes. When they know who has not voted they create a ballot for that person and get it in the system where it is counted. Illegal ballots counted and recounted are still illegal. It is why those states had a fit when people wanted to canvass the votes.

 

[Rumpole]

Rouge incidents? Access to the voter rolls in the swing states allowed Biden to steal 71 electoral votes. When they know who has not voted they create a ballot for that person and get it in the system where it is counted. Illegal ballots counted and recounted are still illegal. It is why those states had a fit when people wanted to canvass the votes.

Please provide evidence to support your claim. Thank you.

 

[Dr.Know]

Question for all you election experts, i.e. if some of you worked on an election please respond.
2020 saw the greatest increase in vote by mail.
Consequently the chances for signature verification errors increased with out a question.
So I've not heard any studies though of mail in ballots that the analysis of those ballots that had a different signature on the request for an absentee ballot than on the return envelope that contained the ballot.
Now being over 65, I've for several elections have voted absentee. And I have no argument with the process.
But I've not heard of any election officials that have done any analysis of signatures that were found different on the ballot envelope versus the signature on the request.
Here is an example:
But to my knowledge the "questioned signature" (on the right) had characteristics that could have been compared with other "questioned signatures" to see if there were commonalities.

In the AZ election the difference between Hobbs winning over Lake was 17,116 votes.
Which was correct signature?
The reason that is important is that all you have to do is request once... and then thereafter future ballots will be mailed to the address...regardless if the voter has moved.

Voting by Mail: How to Get a Ballot-by-Mail | Arizona Secretary of State

azsos.gov

So with 38,909 ballots where the request signature and the returned ballot signature are definitely different.
With 17,116 votes difference and the below votes along with 38,000+ that WERE counted but obviously different signatures, there is a problem.

Remember election verification process specifically in Az. has this guide for signature verification.

https://azsos.gov/sites/default/files/AZSOS_Signature_Verification_Guide.pdf

The concept, in theory, is simple. First, voters are mailed their ballot and a return envelope. After filling out the ballot, voters are asked to place it in the envelope, seal it, and then sign the envelope's exterior. When election officials receive the ballot envelope from the voter, these officials compare the signature on the return envelope to one or more of the voter's signatures on file. If the signatures are sufficiently similar, it is considered to be reasonable evidence that the registered voter cast the ballot.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/elj.2020.0648

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One rampant form of election fraud is BALLOT HARVESTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to an old ladys home or nursing home and help her vote by filling in the ticket for straight Democrats

 

[Rumpole]

One rampant form of election fraud is BALLOT HARVESTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go to an old ladys home or nursing home and help her vote by filling in the ticket for straight Democrats

That's simply not quite right. Here is the view from a centrist's knowledge, factual basis, and understanding, the operative phrase being 'factual basis':

Ballot harvesting is the practice of collecting and submitting completed absentee or mail-in ballots on behalf of voters. This is usually done by political operatives, volunteers, or other third-party individuals, who go door-to-door to collect the ballots from voters, and then deliver them to polling places or election offices.

Whether or not ballot harvesting is evidence of voter fraud is a matter of debate. Advocates of ballot harvesting argue that it is a legitimate and necessary practice that helps increase voter participation, especially among groups that have historically faced barriers to voting, such as people with disabilities or those who live in remote areas. They also argue that it helps prevent voter suppression by ensuring that every vote is counted.

Opponents of ballot harvesting argue that it is susceptible to fraud and abuse, as it allows third-party individuals to collect and potentially alter or discard ballots. They also argue that it undermines the integrity of the election process by allowing political operatives to influence the outcome of elections.

In some cases, ballot harvesting has been associated with allegations of voter fraud, such as in the 2018 midterm elections in North Carolina, where a political operative was indicted for illegally collecting and submitting absentee ballots. However, it is important to note that such incidents are relatively rare, and that there is no evidence to suggest that ballot harvesting is a widespread problem in American elections.

 

[HaShev]

Oops I was right again, the propagandists made claims that this truck driver's story was recanted which was not true, he was silenced by the Post office maybe until it was investigated or as in this case the purposefully slow report determined it's validity, to late to reverse the damage done.

HUGE: Postal Service Releases Final Report - Contract Driver Jesse Morgan Vindicated - Report CONFIRMS He Hauled Trailer of Ballots from NY to PA in Late October 2020 | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

As The Gateway Pundit reported back in 2020, election fraud whistleblowers came forward in December following the controversial election, including one who witnessed the shipping of an estimated 144,000-288,000 completed ballots across three state lines on October 21 2020.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This is just one of the many Shenanigans that took place in PA, another was a claim they counted Delaware tabulated votes again as PA votes, which is why more votes were counted than registered voters of the State. Also still not one single answer to how mail in votes can come out of the envelopes unfolded-uncreased? Magic?

 

[Blaster]

Oops I was right again, the propagandists made claims that this truck driver's story was recanted which was not true, he was silenced by the Post office maybe until it was investigated or as in this case the purposefully slow report determined it's validity, to late to reverse the damage done.

HUGE: Postal Service Releases Final Report - Contract Driver Jesse Morgan Vindicated - Report CONFIRMS He Hauled Trailer of Ballots from NY to PA in Late October 2020 | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

As The Gateway Pundit reported back in 2020, election fraud whistleblowers came forward in December following the controversial election, including one who witnessed the shipping of an estimated 144,000-288,000 completed ballots across three state lines on October 21 2020.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This is just one of the many Shenanigans that took place in PA, another was a claim they counted Delaware tabulated votes again as PA votes, which is why more votes were counted than registered voters of the State. Also still not one single answer to how mail in votes can come out of the envelopes unfolded-uncreased? Magic?

Our government is more corrupt than Russia.

 

[Rumpole]

Oops I was right again, the propagandists made claims that this truck driver's story was recanted which was not true, he was silenced by the Post office maybe until it was investigated or as in this case the purposefully slow report determined it's validity, to late to reverse the damage done.

HUGE: Postal Service Releases Final Report - Contract Driver Jesse Morgan Vindicated - Report CONFIRMS He Hauled Trailer of Ballots from NY to PA in Late October 2020 | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

As The Gateway Pundit reported back in 2020, election fraud whistleblowers came forward in December following the controversial election, including one who witnessed the shipping of an estimated 144,000-288,000 completed ballots across three state lines on October 21 2020.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This is just one of the many Shenanigans that took place in PA, another was a claim they counted Delaware tabulated votes again as PA votes, which is why more votes were counted than registered voters of the State. Also still not one single answer to how mail in votes can come out of the envelopes unfolded-uncreased? Magic?

This story has been debunked:

The claim that Jesse Morgan, a truck driver with a USPS subcontractor, transferred a cargo load of 288,000 completed fraudulent ballots across state lines is not supported by evidence and has been debunked. Here are a few reasons why this claim lacks credibility:

1. Lack of verifiable evidence: The claim is based solely on the statement of Jesse Morgan, without any substantial evidence to support it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and in this case, there is a notable absence of any concrete proof to substantiate the allegation.
2. Investigations and audits found no evidence: Multiple investigations and audits have been conducted to examine allegations of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. These investigations have failed to uncover any substantial evidence of large-scale voter fraud that could affect the outcome of the election. Claims like the one made by Jesse Morgan have not been corroborated by any credible sources or investigations.
3. The USPS itself debunked the claim: The United States Postal Service (USPS) issued a statement categorically denying the allegation that Jesse Morgan transported fraudulent ballots. The USPS confirmed that the story was not true and that the individual in question was not even working during the time period he claimed to have transported the ballots.
4. Legal challenges have been dismissed: Numerous legal challenges were filed by various individuals and groups alleging voter fraud during the 2020 election. However, most of these challenges have been dismissed due to lack of evidence or withdrawn by the parties themselves after failing to substantiate their claims. Courts across the country, including the U.S. Supreme Court, rejected these claims and found no evidence of widespread fraud.
5. Certification of the election results: The 2020 presidential election results were certified by each state's respective authorities, including election officials from both major political parties. The certification process involves thorough examination of ballots and adherence to legal procedures. The absence of credible evidence of widespread fraud led to the certification of the results, reinforcing the legitimacy of the election outcome.

 

[HaShev]

This story has been debunked:

The claim that Jesse Morgan, a truck driver with a USPS subcontractor, transferred a cargo load of 288,000 completed fraudulent ballots across state lines is not supported by evidence and has been debunked. Here are a few reasons why this claim lacks credibility:

1. Lack of verifiable evidence: The claim is based solely on the statement of Jesse Morgan, without any substantial evidence to support it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and in this case, there is a notable absence of any concrete proof to substantiate the allegation.
2. Investigations and audits found no evidence: Multiple investigations and audits have been conducted to examine allegations of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. These investigations have failed to uncover any substantial evidence of large-scale voter fraud that could affect the outcome of the election. Claims like the one made by Jesse Morgan have not been corroborated by any credible sources or investigations.
3. The USPS itself debunked the claim: The United States Postal Service (USPS) issued a statement categorically denying the allegation that Jesse Morgan transported fraudulent ballots. The USPS confirmed that the story was not true and that the individual in question was not even working during the time period he claimed to have transported the ballots.
4. Legal challenges have been dismissed: Numerous legal challenges were filed by various individuals and groups alleging voter fraud during the 2020 election. However, most of these challenges have been dismissed due to lack of evidence or withdrawn by the parties themselves after failing to substantiate their claims. Courts across the country, including the U.S. Supreme Court, rejected these claims and found no evidence of widespread fraud.
5. Certification of the election results: The 2020 presidential election results were certified by each state's respective authorities, including election officials from both major political parties. The certification process involves thorough examination of ballots and adherence to legal procedures. The absence of credible evidence of widespread fraud led to the certification of the results, reinforcing the legitimacy of the election outcome.

The debunk was debunked, the USPS investigation just proved it was true. This is new info, they delayed it so it would be useless by time it came to light.
AND THEY'LL DELAY Biden investigations and stonewall long enough to claim him to old and senile to charge.

 

[easyt65]

Question for all you election experts, i.e. if some of you worked on an election please respond.
2020 saw the greatest increase in vote by mail.
Consequently the chances for signature verification errors increased with out a question.
So I've not heard any studies though of mail in ballots that the analysis of those ballots that had a different signature on the request for an absentee ballot than on the return envelope that contained the ballot.
Now being over 65, I've for several elections have voted absentee. And I have no argument with the process.
But I've not heard of any election officials that have done any analysis of signatures that were found different on the ballot envelope versus the signature on the request.
Here is an example:
But to my knowledge the "questioned signature" (on the right) had characteristics that could have been compared with other "questioned signatures" to see if there were commonalities.

In the AZ election the difference between Hobbs winning over Lake was 17,116 votes.
Which was correct signature?
The reason that is important is that all you have to do is request once... and then thereafter future ballots will be mailed to the address...regardless if the voter has moved.

Voting by Mail: How to Get a Ballot-by-Mail | Arizona Secretary of State

azsos.gov

So with 38,909 ballots where the request signature and the returned ballot signature are definitely different.
With 17,116 votes difference and the below votes along with 38,000+ that WERE counted but obviously different signatures, there is a problem.

Remember election verification process specifically in Az. has this guide for signature verification.

https://azsos.gov/sites/default/files/AZSOS_Signature_Verification_Guide.pdf

The concept, in theory, is simple. First, voters are mailed their ballot and a return envelope. After filling out the ballot, voters are asked to place it in the envelope, seal it, and then sign the envelope's exterior. When election officials receive the ballot envelope from the voter, these officials compare the signature on the return envelope to one or more of the voter's signatures on file. If the signatures are sufficiently similar, it is considered to be reasonable evidence that the registered voter cast the ballot.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/elj.2020.0648

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You are talking about a very specific type of 'Voter Fraud'.

The answer to the general Thread Title proposed question - Does Voter Fraud Exist - is definitely YES.

 

[Chillicothe]

There is no doubt in my mind that voter fraud exists.

I call it Election Fraud. “GOVT“ itself organized the Fraud to pre-determine the outcome in 2020&2022.

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Yes, it exists. To some degree in every election.
But enough to change the results of any of the 2020 elections?
The Attorney General in 2020, Bill Barr, after DOJ and FBI investigations.....said 'no'.
States...both Dem controlled and Republican controlled.....after long investigations said not enough to change results.

Don Trump's own paid investigators:

• Simpatico Software --paid $735,000 ---charged by Trump to investigate fraud in Georgia,
  Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, and Wisconisin -- disproved all of the allegations
  of fraud and stated they "found no substantive fraud sufficient to overturn an election result".
• Berkley Research Group --paid $600,000 --"found no evidence of widespead fraud".
• Tony Fabrizio, Trump's long time pollster, researched Trump's results in the 2020 election.
  He found two main reasons Republican voters voted against Trump: they found Don Trump untrustworthy; and believed he was incompetent.
  This is Trump's own pollster.
• Don Trump was informed of all of these hired consultants determinations.
  
  Trump lost to Joe Biden. Trump knew he lost because his paid advisors told him he lost. Yet he persisted in
  flogging the 'Stop-the-Steal' fund-raising grift. And grievously damaged Americans faith in our electoral
  processes.
  Responsibility and accountability for that is due.
  
  
  Lastly, to the good poster 'leftwinger"....and his scabrous charge that our government arranged the election for a pre-determined result.
  
  We say to poster 'leftwinger'...prove it.
  Do what Trump's own hired people did not do.
  So batter up, our amigo. Show that you have grit, gravitas, and gravel-in-your-gut credibility.
  Show the forum your unassailable proofs.
  Show the forum that you are a serious man of maturity, responsibility, prudence, and your word is the word of man who is trustworthy.

 

[Rumpole]

The debunk was debunked, the USPS investigation just proved it was true. This is new info, they delayed it so it would be useless by time it came to light.

Prove it.

AND THEY'LL DELAY Biden investigations and stonewall long enough to claim him to old and senile to charge.

Comer's investigation is going on. Hunter's investigation has been going on for over 3 years.

So, I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[g5000]

Election voter fraud does it exist?​

Yes, but it is so rare that it has no impact on the outcome of elections.

Even two companies hired by Trump to investigate Trump's allegations found no proof of fraud which would have changed the outcome.

Trump buried both of their reports, but they have been provided to the special prosecutor.

Of all the cases of voter fraud in 2020 in which the political affiliation of the fraudster could be determined, every single one of them was a Trump voter.

Quelle surprise.

 

[g5000]

Second Trump-hired firm found 2020 fraud claims were ‘all false’​

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Trump Campaign Reportedly Commissioned Study Showing No Widespread Election Fraud—But Continued To Push Claims Anyway​

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Off the air, Fox News stars blasted the election fraud claims they peddled​

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[g5000]

Face it, rubes. You've been hoaxed for the thousandth time.

The 2020 stolen election hoax is now in the same bullshit conspiracy category as the fake moon landings.

Trump lost fair and square. It is way, way, way past time to get over it.

 

[healthmyths]

Yes, but it is so rare that it has no impact on the outcome of elections.

Even two companies hired by Trump to investigate Trump's allegations found no proof of fraud which would have changed the outcome.

Trump buried both of their reports, but they have been provided to the special prosecutor.

Of all the cases of voter fraud in 2020 in which the political affiliation of the fraudster could be determined, every single one of them was a Trump voter.

Quelle surprise.

Kari Lake's attorney Kurt Olsen is just destroying MaRICOpa County's defense.
He pointed out that MaRICOpa County Election Director Rey Valenzuela admitted that his acceptance rate for his personal signature review of 1,600 ballots was 81%.
This is in contrast to the signature verification workers with the "sham clicking through" who had 99.99% or close to that approval rates.

The total electoral college vote for Biden was 74 votes.
Of the electoral states.."just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College."

Narrow Wins In These Key States Powered Biden To The Presidency

Joe Biden topped President Trump by nearly 7 million votes, and 74 votes in the Electoral College, but his victory really was stitched together with narrow margins in key states.

www.npr.org

In AZ 17,177 MISMATCHED signature votes were counted for Biden .
many of those 44,000 votes were mail in ballots where the signatures had to be compared with about 5 seconds to review and more importantly how many of the election workers were teachers?

'Ripe for error': Ballot signature verification is flawed - and a big factor in the election

In an election marked by uncertainties, the signature verification process for mail-in ballots is riddled with vulnerabilities and has never been tested on such a massive scale.

www.latimes.com

To a layman like me, you have 5 seconds to tell the difference between the below signatures for example, and Biden won the electoral states of just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin and the the director of elections had 81% verified, BUT the rest of the election workers had 99.9% of signatures verified. These three examples just seem to validate that the "Junk Mail ballots" is valid.
The problem is people like you believe the MSM that spent millions in dollars supporting Biden and you just don't comprehend that
this 2020 election was totally COVID driven and faked ballots signatures in just Georgia,Arizona and Wisconsin made the difference.

What Absentee Voting Looked Like In All 50 States

It was historically popular -- and historically Democratic.

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[HaShev]

Prove it.

Comer's investigation is going on. Hunter's investigation has been going on for over 3 years.

So, I have no idea what you are talking about.

The USPS said their investigation proved it. So ask the people-source that told you it's a debunked informant to prove it was debunked. The retraction story turned out fake news, but why?