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Both cannot continue to exist.


1.It wasn’t always so. Before the Liberals/Leftists took control of schooling, American schools had a mission: actually impart knowledge, and this:

Earlier American presidents, Republicans and Democrats alike, agreed on two basic goals: teach the newcomers English and make them Americans. The clear aim was to strengthen our national identity--to reinforce the unum in e pluribus unum--by assimilating the new arrivals into American civilization.

http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/anti-americanization/


2. Then O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law) went into effect:
O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows. http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp

And no where is this more true than the school system.



3. Imagine, a nation founded based on religion, the Bible, in the 18th century, emasculated in the 20th century to one in which religion is marginalized, ridiculed and attacked by the nation’s own legal system. The victims of the school system leave same believing that our system mandates that religion be excluded from the civic arena.

Sadly, one need not ‘imagine.’



4. Now, this long overdue reminder of the truth:





“…heard of the doctrine of the "separation of church and state." Most Americans believe that it's in the United States Constitution. But there is no such phrase in the Constitution. And there never was—for a simple reason: The Founding Fathers never intended for church and state to be completely separate. They saw religion—specifically religions based on the Bible—as indispensable to the moral foundation of the nation they were creating.”


John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Founders Online: From John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798
 
No state religion is what it says and means in the Constitution, deal with it in a religious group of yer choice.
 
Both cannot continue to exist.


1.It wasn’t always so. Before the Liberals/Leftists took control of schooling, American schools had a mission: actually impart knowledge, and this:

Earlier American presidents, Republicans and Democrats alike, agreed on two basic goals: teach the newcomers English and make them Americans. The clear aim was to strengthen our national identity--to reinforce the unum in e pluribus unum--by assimilating the new arrivals into American civilization.

http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/anti-americanization/


2. Then O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law) went into effect:
O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows. http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp

And no where is this more true than the school system.



3. Imagine, a nation founded based on religion, the Bible, in the 18th century, emasculated in the 20th century to one in which religion is marginalized, ridiculed and attacked by the nation’s own legal system. The victims of the school system leave same believing that our system mandates that religion be excluded from the civic arena.

Sadly, one need not ‘imagine.’



4. Now, this long overdue reminder of the truth:





“…heard of the doctrine of the "separation of church and state." Most Americans believe that it's in the United States Constitution. But there is no such phrase in the Constitution. And there never was—for a simple reason: The Founding Fathers never intended for church and state to be completely separate. They saw religion—specifically religions based on the Bible—as indispensable to the moral foundation of the nation they were creating.”


John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Founders Online: From John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798

The Constitution does mention a creator yet it doesn't specify which religion the creator belongs to.
 
Both cannot continue to exist.


1.It wasn’t always so. Before the Liberals/Leftists took control of schooling, American schools had a mission: actually impart knowledge, and this:

Earlier American presidents, Republicans and Democrats alike, agreed on two basic goals: teach the newcomers English and make them Americans. The clear aim was to strengthen our national identity--to reinforce the unum in e pluribus unum--by assimilating the new arrivals into American civilization.

http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/anti-americanization/


2. Then O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law) went into effect:
O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows. http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp

And no where is this more true than the school system.



3. Imagine, a nation founded based on religion, the Bible, in the 18th century, emasculated in the 20th century to one in which religion is marginalized, ridiculed and attacked by the nation’s own legal system. The victims of the school system leave same believing that our system mandates that religion be excluded from the civic arena.

Sadly, one need not ‘imagine.’



4. Now, this long overdue reminder of the truth:





“…heard of the doctrine of the "separation of church and state." Most Americans believe that it's in the United States Constitution. But there is no such phrase in the Constitution. And there never was—for a simple reason: The Founding Fathers never intended for church and state to be completely separate. They saw religion—specifically religions based on the Bible—as indispensable to the moral foundation of the nation they were creating.”


John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Founders Online: From John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798

The Constitution does mention a creator yet it doesn't specify which religion the creator belongs to.

Our Constitution does not mention a creator
 
Both cannot continue to exist.


1.It wasn’t always so. Before the Liberals/Leftists took control of schooling, American schools had a mission: actually impart knowledge, and this:

Earlier American presidents, Republicans and Democrats alike, agreed on two basic goals: teach the newcomers English and make them Americans. The clear aim was to strengthen our national identity--to reinforce the unum in e pluribus unum--by assimilating the new arrivals into American civilization.

http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/anti-americanization/


2. Then O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law) went into effect:
O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows. http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp

And no where is this more true than the school system.



3. Imagine, a nation founded based on religion, the Bible, in the 18th century, emasculated in the 20th century to one in which religion is marginalized, ridiculed and attacked by the nation’s own legal system. The victims of the school system leave same believing that our system mandates that religion be excluded from the civic arena.

Sadly, one need not ‘imagine.’



4. Now, this long overdue reminder of the truth:





“…heard of the doctrine of the "separation of church and state." Most Americans believe that it's in the United States Constitution. But there is no such phrase in the Constitution. And there never was—for a simple reason: The Founding Fathers never intended for church and state to be completely separate. They saw religion—specifically religions based on the Bible—as indispensable to the moral foundation of the nation they were creating.”


John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Founders Online: From John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798

The Constitution does mention a creator yet it doesn't specify which religion the creator belongs to.

Our Constitution does not mention a creator

Must be that other document the Declaration of Independence. Thanks for reminding me I went to a private school..
 
Free Government provide schools have been the great equalizer in our society. It guarantees an education to all Americans regardless of social class.

It is what made us great
 
5. The emasculation of America’s history and heritage can be traced directly to the 32nd President, who wedded America to the world’s greatest homicidal psychopath, and made America comfortable to the neo-Marxism from which we suffer today.

More directly, Franklin Roosevelt made, as his first Supreme Court nominee, KKKer Hugo Black who is responsible for inserting the phrase ‘separation of church and state’ into our judicial protocol.




6. “…where does that phrase come from? It comes from one brief letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802.At the end of a very long sentence in which Jefferson affirms his conviction that religious belief should be a private matter, and that the government should not interfere with such matters, he uses the phrase “building a wall of separation between Church & State.” And that’s where the phrase lived, undisturbed—lost in Jefferson’s voluminous correspondence—for almost 150 years.”




For context, a Connecticut community of Baptists, admirers of Jefferson, wrote to him about their fear that a federal government would ban their form of worship. The Founders intention was to be sure that the federal government didn’t do that, and mandate a national religion. And when Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, it was to reassure them the federal government could not interfere in their religious observations, i.e., there is “a wall of separation between church and state.” That is a one-way wall: separating government from religion, but not religion from government.

Jefferson wasn’t speaking of religion contaminating the government, but of the government contaminating religious observance.



The school system, turning out students who believe that there is such a ‘separation’ is an abomination. Unless we can pry the schools from them, as earlier American pried their slaves from them.....America is lost.
 
No state religion is what it says and means in the Constitution, deal with it in a religious group of yer choice.

Indeed.

It also says "Congress shall make no law ... regarding the free expression thereof ..."
So that means hands off by the govt. in both directions.

Precisely. I will oppose the founding of a state-sanctioned church, and I will oppose any restrictions by any government federal or otherwise upon any religion expressing itself within the bounds of civilized behavior.
 
5. The emasculation of America’s history and heritage can be traced directly to the 32nd President, who wedded America to the world’s greatest homicidal psychopath, and made America comfortable to the neo-Marxism from which we suffer today.

More directly, Franklin Roosevelt made, as his first Supreme Court nominee, KKKer Hugo Black who is responsible for inserting the phrase ‘separation of church and state’ into our judicial protocol.




6. “…where does that phrase come from? It comes from one brief letter that Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802.At the end of a very long sentence in which Jefferson affirms his conviction that religious belief should be a private matter, and that the government should not interfere with such matters, he uses the phrase “building a wall of separation between Church & State.” And that’s where the phrase lived, undisturbed—lost in Jefferson’s voluminous correspondence—for almost 150 years.”




For context, a Connecticut community of Baptists, admirers of Jefferson, wrote to him about their fear that a federal government would ban their form of worship. The Founders intention was to be sure that the federal government didn’t do that, and mandate a national religion. And when Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, it was to reassure them the federal government could not interfere in their religious observations, i.e., there is “a wall of separation between church and state.” That is a one-way wall: separating government from religion, but not religion from government.

Jefferson wasn’t speaking of religion contaminating the government, but of the government contaminating religious observance.



The school system, turning out students who believe that there is such a ‘separation’ is an abomination. Unless we can pry the schools from them, as earlier American pried their slaves from them.....America is lost.

LOL

Prager U?
Couldn’t find anything on Breitbart?
 
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Both cannot continue to exist.


1.It wasn’t always so. Before the Liberals/Leftists took control of schooling, American schools had a mission: actually impart knowledge, and this:

Earlier American presidents, Republicans and Democrats alike, agreed on two basic goals: teach the newcomers English and make them Americans. The clear aim was to strengthen our national identity--to reinforce the unum in e pluribus unum--by assimilating the new arrivals into American civilization.

http://www.aei.org/article/society-and-culture/anti-americanization/


2. Then O'Sullivan's First Law (a.k.a. O'Sullivan's Law) went into effect:
O'Sullivan's First Law: All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing. I cite as supporting evidence the ACLU, the Ford Foundation, and the Episcopal Church. The reason is, of course, that people who staff such bodies tend to be the sort who don't like private profit, business, making money, the current organization of society, and, by extension, the Western world. At which point Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy takes over — and the rest follows. http://old.nationalreview.com/flashback/flashback-jos062603.asp

And no where is this more true than the school system.



3. Imagine, a nation founded based on religion, the Bible, in the 18th century, emasculated in the 20th century to one in which religion is marginalized, ridiculed and attacked by the nation’s own legal system. The victims of the school system leave same believing that our system mandates that religion be excluded from the civic arena.

Sadly, one need not ‘imagine.’



4. Now, this long overdue reminder of the truth:





“…heard of the doctrine of the "separation of church and state." Most Americans believe that it's in the United States Constitution. But there is no such phrase in the Constitution. And there never was—for a simple reason: The Founding Fathers never intended for church and state to be completely separate. They saw religion—specifically religions based on the Bible—as indispensable to the moral foundation of the nation they were creating.”


John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Founders Online: From John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798

The Constitution does mention a creator yet it doesn't specify which religion the creator belongs to.

Is done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
 
7. “First, let’s discuss what the Constitution actually does say about religion and its role in public life. The answer is found in the First Amendment to the Constitution. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

It’s plain what those words mean. The federal government could not establish a national religion, the common practice in Europe. The United States was going to be different. Americans would be free to follow the religion of their choice.


When James Madison first proposed what eventually became the First Amendment, his original wording was that "no religion shall be established" by Congress. But that language was later modified after it was pointed out that this might be taken to mean that the government, including the state governments, had no interest in religion at all. The Founders did not want this.

As George Washington said in his Farewell Address, "Religion and morality are indispensable supports of our political prosperity." Washington’s view remained the nation’s view throughout the 19th century and into the twentieth, but that changed in 1947.”
Prager U, Op.Cit.


Guess which President set the wheels in motion to remove religion from the public arena.
 
8. From the 1790 Massachusetts Constitution, written by John Adams, includes: [the] good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend(s) upon piety, religion, and morality…by the institution of public worship of God and of the public instruction in piety, religion, and morality…”
Constitution of Massachusetts - Wikipedia


The Declaration of Independence mentions five references to God, and the Constitution contains a clear reference to Jesus Christ.



9. 1947…”in the case of Everson v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision that under the First Amendment, neither a state nor the Federal Government could "pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another."

For the first time in American history, the First Amendment was not only about the prohibition of establishing a national religion, it was also about not giving any encouragement to any religion.

The modern “strict separation” view was born. And where did the five Justices look for support for their argument? Not the Constitution, because there was nothing in the Constitution to help them, but to that one phrase Thomas Jefferson wrote back in 1802.

How ironic, that the author of the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the proposition that human beings have inalienable rights from their “Creator,” and not from government, was now being used to separate religion from the public square.”
Prager U, Op.Cit.
 
10. Here is the quote from Jefferson’s 1802 letter to the Baptists, showing that his ‘wall of separation’ was a bar to ‘the legislature’ of the American people, not churches, not to government being guided by the Bible.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.




11. And here is the source of Hugo Black’s use of the phrase ‘separation of church and state,’ his office in the Ku Klux Klan.

Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, which showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:

"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
Hugo Black and the real history of "the wall of separation between church and state"]
 
It guarantees an education to all Americans regardless of social class.
It guarantees no such thing, in fact public education has only guaranteed that our education system will be used as fodder for the left to mock and ridicule our countries lack of education, and they never miss an opportunity to do so.
Afraid it does

A free public school education is guaranteed for all Americans.
Even the spawn of conservatives
 
Afraid it does

I believe that does scare you if that's your point

A free public school education is guaranteed for all Americans.
now that much is true, my point was it is no guarantee you will be educated, a point you have as yet to refute which leads me to believe you have taken full advantage of that free education
Even the spawn of conservatives
whom you constantly refer to as uneducated...which leads me to believe you got too much of a free public education
 
12. “For Jefferson and the other Founders, religion was central to the entire American project. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are just two of countless examples where the government acknowledges its debt to God.

As the famously liberal Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas wrote in the case of Zorach v. Clausen just five years after the Everson decision, "We are a religious people, whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being."

The Founders would certainly have agreed.

Following Everson, the nation’s moral infrastructure began to crack—at first slowly and then more rapidly.


In 1962, the Supreme Court struck another blow. It ruled in Engel v. Vitale that a generic school prayer violated the Court’s new definition of the First Amendment.

Listen to the words of that school prayer:
“Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our country. Amen.”
Law Professor John Eastman, Prager U

Only a Bolshevik could object to that prayer.





“Belief in God and the Bible were instrumental to the creation of America — the last, best hope of mankind. The rejection of that God and that Bible is instrumental to wrecking America (and the rest of the West). That alone tells me how important that God and that Bible are. The Left knows it, too.”
How the Left Keeps Me Religious | National Review
 

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