East Antarctica may be just as unstable as West

[SSDD]

So do explain how CO2 manages to start every el nino in a precise, unmoving geographical location every year...NASA sure doesn’t....in fact they don’t point to any actual empirical evidence...in usual fashion, they just pull numbers from space and attach them to massive assumptions.

further, the article is about the response of the carbon cycle to El Niño....no mention was made suggesting that el nino is caused by CO2....keep trying...keep denying...

Read it again. I will believe volcanoes when I see explicit science showing that specific volcano(s) have heated up the water. You have not done that.
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no need...I read it the first time....no suggestion and certainly no evidence that CO2 causes El Niño...feel free to cot and paste whatever is fooling you.

 

[ReinyDays]

So do explain how CO2 manages to start every el nino in a precise, unmoving geographical location every year ...

The equator? ...

 

[SSDD]

So do explain how CO2 manages to start every el nino in a precise, unmoving geographical location every year ...

The equator? ...

hardly an exact location....the equator covers a lot of real estate...thats the sort of answer wuwei comes up with...add a precise degree of longitude and you have a precise unmoving geographical location.

 

[ReinyDays]

hardly an exact location....the equator covers a lot of real estate...thats the sort of answer wuwei comes up with...add a precise degree of longitude and you have a precise unmoving geographical location.

The equator is where the most solar energy is received on average ... so this is where we find the highest temperatures ... kinda obvious ... oh, and the Earth rotates, so all longitudes receive this energy ...

 

[SSDD]

hardly an exact location....the equator covers a lot of real estate...thats the sort of answer wuwei comes up with...add a precise degree of longitude and you have a precise unmoving geographical location.

The equator is where the most solar energy is received on average ... so this is where we find the highest temperatures ... kinda obvious ... oh, and the Earth rotates, so all longitudes receive this energy ...

Still waiting for a rational reason El Niño starts at an exact, unmoving latitude and longitude that doesn’t involve the geothermal hotspot that just happens to be at that location and the seismic activity which just happens to coincide with the onset of El Niño as well as rewarming events.

Your vague explanation of “equator...something, something“ leaves many questions which are answered by observations and measurements, but do not point to a radiative greenhouse effect, or anything like it....much like the magical explanations for how CO2 drives the climate.

not so easy to disregard actual observed measurd evidence as the sort of magic that climate science calls evidence for the radiative greenhouse effect is it?

By the way, I’m still waiting for a paper which shows empirically show how much or how little varying CO2 concentrations over bodies of water in volumes of parts per million (0.000001) cause changes in heat over said bodies of water. Got nothing like that?

The hard evidence that el nino is the result of geothermal activity is far stronger than the evidence that CO2 has a statistically significant effect on the global climate.

 

[Wuwei]

Still waiting for a rational reason El Niño starts at an exact, unmoving latitude and longitude that doesn’t involve the geothermal hotspot that just happens to be at that location and the seismic activity which just happens to coincide with the onset of El Niño as well as rewarming events.

Exact same spot? That is your fiction.
See the NOAA site -- El Nino Information

The hard evidence that el nino is the result of geothermal activity is far stronger than the evidence that CO2 has a statistically significant effect on the global climate.

Not hard evidence at all.

CO2 is a major GHG on earth. (and Venus.) We went through that many a time in the thread made especially for you.

 

[SSDD]

Still waiting for a rational reason El Niño starts at an exact, unmoving latitude and longitude that doesn’t involve the geothermal hotspot that just happens to be at that location and the seismic activity which just happens to coincide with the onset of El Niño as well as rewarming events.

Exact same spot? That is your fiction.
See the NOAA site -- El Nino Information

The hard evidence that el nino is the result of geothermal activity is far stronger than the evidence that CO2 has a statistically significant effect on the global climate.

Not hard evidence at all.

CO2 is a major GHG on earth. (and Venus.) We went through that many a time in the thread made especially for you.

Deny reality all you like...nothing in your opinion piece challenges anything I have provided...laughable...the evidence is real.

The relationship between the origination point of El Niño and seismic activity along the Eastern Pacific Rise has been well known and well documented for some time..

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsta.2010.0044

New Paper(s): Seismic Activity Flux Explains 1979-2016 Temperatures, ENSO Events Better Than CO2 - Newsfeed Hasslefree Allsort

By Kenneth Richard Could Earth’s Shifting Plates Be Driving Modern Climate? Within the last year, Dr. Arthur Viterito (geography professor) has published multiple scientific papers documenting the significant correlation (r=0.80) between the seismic activity changes in the Earth’s high...

www.newscats.org

 

[mamooth]

Sea ice melting will not raise sea level by 1 mL. Fill a glass half full of ice and carefully top it off with water. Let it melt completely. It will never overflow.

And now, nitpicking.

That's true for fresh water ice floating in fresh water, but it's not true for sea ice, which is mostly fresh water ice (the freezing process squeezes out 90% of the salt) floating in salt water. The fresh water is less dense, so when it melts, it creates a volume slightly larger than what the ice displaced, so sea level rises slightly. Granted, it's a fairly insignificant factor, about 1% of the ice volume.

 

[Wuwei]

Still waiting for a rational reason El Niño starts at an exact, unmoving latitude and longitude that doesn’t involve the geothermal hotspot that just happens to be at that location and the seismic activity which just happens to coincide with the onset of El Niño as well as rewarming events.

Exact same spot? That is your fiction.
See the NOAA site -- El Nino Information

The hard evidence that el nino is the result of geothermal activity is far stronger than the evidence that CO2 has a statistically significant effect on the global climate.

Not hard evidence at all.

CO2 is a major GHG on earth. (and Venus.) We went through that many a time in the thread made especially for you.

Deny reality all you like...nothing in your opinion piece challenges anything I have provided...laughable...the evidence is real.

The relationship between the origination point of El Niño and seismic activity along the Eastern Pacific Rise has been well known and well documented for some time..

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsta.2010.0044

New Paper(s): Seismic Activity Flux Explains 1979-2016 Temperatures, ENSO Events Better Than CO2 - Newsfeed Hasslefree Allsort

By Kenneth Richard Could Earth’s Shifting Plates Be Driving Modern Climate? Within the last year, Dr. Arthur Viterito (geography professor) has published multiple scientific papers documenting the significant correlation (r=0.80) between the seismic activity changes in the Earth’s high...

www.newscats.org

Your posts are always a waste of time.
One of the references you cited does not mention volcanoes at all. They refer to seismic activity.

Your second reference says that a sea level change causes a pressure change at the sea bottom. That change causes seismic activity.

"We observe a significant (95% confidence level) positive influence of SOI on seismicity: positive SOI values trigger more earthquakes over the following 2 to 6 months than negative SOI values."
...
"This relationship is opposite to reservoir-triggered seismicity and suggests that EPR fault activity may be triggered by plate flexure associated with the reduced pressure."

In short it's the ocean level that causes the sea bottom seismic activity, not the other way around. You got the cause and effect totally backwards.
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[SSDD]

Talk about pic

Still waiting for a rational reason El Niño starts at an exact, unmoving latitude and longitude that doesn’t involve the geothermal hotspot that just happens to be at that location and the seismic activity which just happens to coincide with the onset of El Niño as well as rewarming events.

Exact same spot? That is your fiction.
See the NOAA site -- El Nino Information

The hard evidence that el nino is the result of geothermal activity is far stronger than the evidence that CO2 has a statistically significant effect on the global climate.

Not hard evidence at all.

CO2 is a major GHG on earth. (and Venus.) We went through that many a time in the thread made especially for you.

Deny reality all you like...nothing in your opinion piece challenges anything I have provided...laughable...the evidence is real.

The relationship between the origination point of El Niño and seismic activity along the Eastern Pacific Rise has been well known and well documented for some time..

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsta.2010.0044

New Paper(s): Seismic Activity Flux Explains 1979-2016 Temperatures, ENSO Events Better Than CO2 - Newsfeed Hasslefree Allsort

By Kenneth Richard Could Earth’s Shifting Plates Be Driving Modern Climate? Within the last year, Dr. Arthur Viterito (geography professor) has published multiple scientific papers documenting the significant correlation (r=0.80) between the seismic activity changes in the Earth’s high...

www.newscats.org

Your posts are always a waste of time.
One of the references you cited does not mention volcanoes at all. They refer to seismic activity.

Your second reference says that a sea level change causes a pressure change at the sea bottom. That change causes seismic activity.

"We observe a significant (95% confidence level) positive influence of SOI on seismicity: positive SOI values trigger more earthquakes over the following 2 to 6 months than negative SOI values."
...
"This relationship is opposite to reservoir-triggered seismicity and suggests that EPR fault activity may be triggered by plate flexure associated with the reduced pressure."

In short it's the ocean level that causes the sea bottom seismic activity, not the other way around. You got the cause and effect totally backwards.
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and you think seismic activity over a fault zone with magma flows and vents doesn’t reference volcanic activity? The EPR, after all known as the ring of fire.

like most of our conversations, they are not interesting to you because even the basics are over your head.. If the topic weren’t so far over your head you may have caught on to the fact that increased seismic activity is a proxy for higher geothermal flux... This isn’t difficult stuff for most people...

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The odds have just been doubled at a catastrophic destabilization of the Antarctic ice shelf.

Scientists Discover Massive Instability Under East Antarctica Glacier

Scientists thought the Denman Glacier was less vulnerable than the continent’s western coast, but it has receded almost three miles in two decades.

www.bloomberg.com

Uh Oh...

Covid 19 just hit Antartica.

 

[Wuwei]

and you think seismic activity over a fault zone with magma flows and vents doesn’t reference volcanic activity? The EPR, after all known as the ring of fire.

I have no idea how much that seismic activity indicates magma flow and vents and neither do you. Your posts are not supported by the papers you cited.

like most of our conversations, they are not interesting to you because even the basics are over your head.. If the topic weren’t so far over your head you may have caught on to the fact that increased seismic activity is a proxy for higher geothermal flux... This isn’t difficult stuff for most people...

Cut the crap troll. It is far over your head. You don't really understand the gist of the papers you cited. The paper said that a lower sea level caused a reduced pressure on the sea bottom and that in turn caused the seismic activity. They did not say the seismic activity caused a higher geothermal flux. They did not say the seismic activity affected the sea in temperature nor level. You still have cause and effect backwards.
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[SSDD]

and you think seismic activity over a fault zone with magma flows and vents doesn’t reference volcanic activity? The EPR, after all known as the ring of fire.

I have no idea how much that seismic activity indicates magma flow and vents and neither do you. Your posts are not supported by the papers you cited.

learn to at least read well enough to comprehend something....

Namely, increased seismic activity in the HGFA (i.e., the mid-ocean’s spreading zones) serves as a proxy indicator of higher geothermal flux in these regions. The HGFA include the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the East Pacific Rise, the West Chile Rise, the Ridges of the Indian Ocean, and the Ridges of the Antarctic/Southern Ocean. This additional mid-ocean heating causes an acceleration of oceanic overturning and thermobaric convection, resulting in higher ocean temperatures and greater heat transport into the Arctic. This manifests itself as an anomaly known as the “Arctic Amplification,” where the Arctic warms to a much greater degree than the rest of the globe.

As illustrated in CSARGW, jumps in HGFA seismic activity can amplify an El Niño event, a phenomenon referred to as a SIENA or a Seismically Induced El Niño Amplification. Accurately predicting two of these amplified El Niños (i.e., the 2015/2016 event plus the1997/1998 episode) is an important outcome of the HGFA seismicity/temperature relationship.

Don’t guess you understood the graphic describing energy release in the form of geothermal flux...sad in case that went over your head, the amount of energy released is a proxy for how much magma is flowing...

 

[Wuwei]

and you think seismic activity over a fault zone with magma flows and vents doesn’t reference volcanic activity? The EPR, after all known as the ring of fire.

I have no idea how much that seismic activity indicates magma flow and vents and neither do you. Your posts are not supported by the papers you cited.

learn to at least read well enough to comprehend something....

Namely, increased seismic activity in the HGFA (i.e., the mid-ocean’s spreading zones) serves as a proxy indicator of higher geothermal flux in these regions. The HGFA include the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the East Pacific Rise, the West Chile Rise, the Ridges of the Indian Ocean, and the Ridges of the Antarctic/Southern Ocean. This additional mid-ocean heating causes an acceleration of oceanic overturning and thermobaric convection, resulting in higher ocean temperatures and greater heat transport into the Arctic. This manifests itself as an anomaly known as the “Arctic Amplification,” where the Arctic warms to a much greater degree than the rest of the globe.

As illustrated in CSARGW, jumps in HGFA seismic activity can amplify an El Niño event, a phenomenon referred to as a SIENA or a Seismically Induced El Niño Amplification. Accurately predicting two of these amplified El Niños (i.e., the 2015/2016 event plus the1997/1998 episode) is an important outcome of the HGFA seismicity/temperature relationship.

Don’t guess you understood the graphic describing energy release in the form of geothermal flux...sad in case that went over your head, the amount of energy released is a proxy for how much magma is flowing...

View attachment 323553

Oh, I certainly read it but you got snookered again. The paper was published in a blog that had no peer review. Look at the reference to notrickzone (NTZ) at the end of the paper you cited. That blog has a sham reputation. Not professional. Shame on you.

FACT CHECK: Do Hundreds of Papers Published in 2017 'Prove' That Global Warming is a Myth?

An article stakes its claim on a regurgitation of false information from a blogger who rejects mainstream climate science.

www.snopes.com

"The first time that Breitbart ran a NTZ based-story, numerous scientists listed in the report pointed out their their graphs had been digitally altered by NTZ to omit data, and that NTZ had either misinterpreted their papers or read them so superficially that the author of the post did not realize he was sometimes quoting from general background material and not the actual findings of the papers themselves.
...
Richard misrepresents and misinterprets these papers in many instances."

Again you are wasting time with blog crap from zealots. The author Kenneth Richards makes stuff up. So do you.
.

 

[SSDD]

and you think seismic activity over a fault zone with magma flows and vents doesn’t reference volcanic activity? The EPR, after all known as the ring of fire.

I have no idea how much that seismic activity indicates magma flow and vents and neither do you. Your posts are not supported by the papers you cited.

learn to at least read well enough to comprehend something....

Namely, increased seismic activity in the HGFA (i.e., the mid-ocean’s spreading zones) serves as a proxy indicator of higher geothermal flux in these regions. The HGFA include the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, the East Pacific Rise, the West Chile Rise, the Ridges of the Indian Ocean, and the Ridges of the Antarctic/Southern Ocean. This additional mid-ocean heating causes an acceleration of oceanic overturning and thermobaric convection, resulting in higher ocean temperatures and greater heat transport into the Arctic. This manifests itself as an anomaly known as the “Arctic Amplification,” where the Arctic warms to a much greater degree than the rest of the globe.

As illustrated in CSARGW, jumps in HGFA seismic activity can amplify an El Niño event, a phenomenon referred to as a SIENA or a Seismically Induced El Niño Amplification. Accurately predicting two of these amplified El Niños (i.e., the 2015/2016 event plus the1997/1998 episode) is an important outcome of the HGFA seismicity/temperature relationship.

Don’t guess you understood the graphic describing energy release in the form of geothermal flux...sad in case that went over your head, the amount of energy released is a proxy for how much magma is flowing...

View attachment 323553

Oh, I certainly read it but you got snookered again. The paper was published in a blog that had no peer review. Look at the reference to notrickzone (NTZ) at the end of the paper you cited. That blog has a sham reputation. Not professional. Shame on you.

FACT CHECK: Do Hundreds of Papers Published in 2017 'Prove' That Global Warming is a Myth?

An article stakes its claim on a regurgitation of false information from a blogger who rejects mainstream climate science.

www.snopes.com

"The first time that Breitbart ran a NTZ based-story, numerous scientists listed in the report pointed out their their graphs had been digitally altered by NTZ to omit data, and that NTZ had either misinterpreted their papers or read them so superficially that the author of the post did not realize he was sometimes quoting from general background material and not the actual findings of the papers themselves.
...
Richard misrepresents and misinterprets these papers in many instances."

Again you are wasting time with blog crap from zealots. The author Kenneth Richards makes stuff up. So do you.
.

that is what climate fraudsters say about everything that doesn’t support their cult narrative. When the evidence is more than you can deal with, start with the character assignation.

There is more observed measured evidence in support of that theory than there is for the AGW hypothesis.

climate science and its gatekeeping and pal review has stripped credibility from the whole process.

 

[ReinyDays]

There is more observed measured evidence in support of that theory than there is for the AGW hypothesis.
climate science and its gatekeeping and pal review has stripped credibility from the whole process.

We can directly measure temperature increase with a vessel of CO2 on our kitchen counters ... we haven't measured any temperature increase off the coast of California, and we have tons and bunches of earthquakes off-shore, HGFA in spades ...

If you think peer review system has been stripped of its credibility, why do you keep demanding such? ...

 

[Wuwei]

When the evidence is more than you can deal with, start with the character assignation.

Yes, character assignation is what he deserves. Why? Because he was shown to be an unconscionable character who publishes unsupported crap in blogs by twisting others work.

There is more observed measured evidence in support of that theory than there is for the AGW hypothesis.

The volcanic hypotheses? Really? You gave one paper that was crap. And another paper that supported the opposite of what you are saying.
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[SSDD]

When the evidence is more than you can deal with, start with the character assignation.

Yes, character assignation is what he deserves. Why? Because he was shown to be an unconscionable character who publishes unsupported crap in blogs by twisting others work.

There is more observed measured evidence in support of that theory than there is for the AGW hypothesis.

The volcanic hypotheses? Really? You gave one paper that was crap. And another paper that supported the opposite of what you are saying.
.

There is more observed measured evidence in support of that theory than there is for the AGW hypothesis.
climate science and its gatekeeping and pal review has stripped credibility from the whole process.

We can directly measure temperature increase with a vessel of CO2 on our kitchen counters ... we haven't measured any temperature increase off the coast of California, and we have tons and bunches of earthquakes off-shore, HGFA in spades ...

If you think peer review system has been stripped of its credibility, why do you keep demanding such? ...

we have never measured temperature increases in bodies of water resulting from changes of the concentration of CO2 in PPM in the air above it because CO2 has no power to cause such changes.

warmers demand it of skeptics so why not....there is no peer reviewed literature that supports most of what warmers believe...peer reviewed material Thad shows empirically how much or how little varying CO2 concentrations over bodies of water in volumes of parts per million (0.000001) cause changes in heat over said bodies of water which is the sort of basic evidence any self respecting hypothesis should have in its support....absolute basic....but nowhere in sight, nor will it ever be because it would require magic to make it happen.

 

[SSDD]

When the evidence is more than you can deal with, start with the character assignation.

Yes, character assignation is what he deserves. Why? Because he was shown to be an unconscionable character who publishes unsupported crap in blogs by twisting others work.

There is more observed measured evidence in support of that theory than there is for the AGW hypothesis.

The volcanic hypotheses? Really? You gave one paper that was crap. And another paper that supported the opposite of what you are saying.
.

Say some sour grape warmers who cant come up with a rational explanation for how CO2 might start El Niño events in the same place every time?

Typical fail...

 

[SSDD]

Yet another published paper with references and empirical data spanning nearly half a century...sorry guy, this is a well supported theory as opposed to the magical hypothesis of AGW.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320068111_The_Missing_Link_in_El_Nino's_Phenomenon_Generation