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here... more info.... it isn’t as if there were a shortage of it out there if one is intereste.Of course he isn't...but that doesn't stop him from claiming to be one
Okay ... you win this one ... my apologies ...
My bet is that the emission along the seaboard has a great deal to do with the amount of nearly unbroken concrete to be found there.
In any event...the idea of geothermal energy driving the climate along with the sun makes far more sense than something as ridiculous as a trace "cooling" gas in the atmosphere driving the climate.
No ... the graphic shows three times as much energy leaving the surface as what can be attributed to the Sun ... cite please ...
I'm sorry ... a tiny temperature increase can be caused by a tiny amount of extra GHG ... how much we don't know, the thermometers we're using aren't accurate enough to tell ... we need to wait 100 years for that ...
climatechangedispatch.com
here... more info.... it isn’t as if there were a shortage of it out there if one is intereste.Of course he isn't...but that doesn't stop him from claiming to be one
Okay ... you win this one ... my apologies ...
My bet is that the emission along the seaboard has a great deal to do with the amount of nearly unbroken concrete to be found there.
In any event...the idea of geothermal energy driving the climate along with the sun makes far more sense than something as ridiculous as a trace "cooling" gas in the atmosphere driving the climate.
No ... the graphic shows three times as much energy leaving the surface as what can be attributed to the Sun ... cite please ...
I'm sorry ... a tiny temperature increase can be caused by a tiny amount of extra GHG ... how much we don't know, the thermometers we're using aren't accurate enough to tell ... we need to wait 100 years for that ...
Geologic Heat Linked To East Coast Ocean Warming Trend
An ocean warming trend off the East Coast is likely from super-heated hydrothermal vents.
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Look familiar?
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The top image is from 2020...the bottom image is from 1979
here... more info.... it isn’t as if there were a shortage of it out there if one is intereste.Of course he isn't...but that doesn't stop him from claiming to be one
Okay ... you win this one ... my apologies ...
My bet is that the emission along the seaboard has a great deal to do with the amount of nearly unbroken concrete to be found there.
In any event...the idea of geothermal energy driving the climate along with the sun makes far more sense than something as ridiculous as a trace "cooling" gas in the atmosphere driving the climate.
No ... the graphic shows three times as much energy leaving the surface as what can be attributed to the Sun ... cite please ...
I'm sorry ... a tiny temperature increase can be caused by a tiny amount of extra GHG ... how much we don't know, the thermometers we're using aren't accurate enough to tell ... we need to wait 100 years for that ...
Geologic Heat Linked To East Coast Ocean Warming Trend
An ocean warming trend off the East Coast is likely from super-heated hydrothermal vents.
View attachment 320302
Look familiar?
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The top image is from 2020...the bottom image is from 1979
they show the same thing...denial is a poor argument.
and when you consider that sort of thing happening all across the sea bed, there is your extra heat...not magical energy multiplication via backradilation from CO2.
There is no limit to the power of CO2...
Horse feathers ... both maps only show a couple of places on the ocean floor, see post #31 ... your first map shows 600 W/m^2, your second map only says "warmer" ... what the hell does "warmer" mean? ...
Energy from volcanoes is a very local affair ... the lava spewing out of Mauna Loa for example ... or under the Antarctic ice cap ... but 20 miles away, there's no temperature difference ... it's not that much energy to effect the entire global climate system ...
Dogs and cats living together...it’s disaster on a Biblical scale...There is no limit to the power of CO2...
Floods, fires, earthquakes, locusts!
Once you adjust the data to hide the decline then add in a brand new data set: heat "trapped" ( like a rat!) In the deep oceans, yeah climate change takes place in a second"The heat welling up from Earth’s interior beneath ice sheets and glaciers has nothing to do with the relatively rapid change in climate over recent decades, driven mainly by human emissions of greenhouse gases that warm the atmosphere. Heat sources from the deep Earth can remain steady for 50, 90 or 100 million years; human-driven climate change is occurring over mere decades and centuries. "
Fire below, ice above: volcanoes, glaciers and sea level rise â Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
New observations and refined modeling allow scientists to peer beneath the ice of Greenland and Antarctica.climate.nasa.gov
Hot spots, such as those that created Iceland and ripped a scar across Greenland, that created the Hawaiian Islands and exist beneath Antarctica, do not turn themselves on and off on a human time scale. The increased melting of Antarctica and Greenland have done precisely that.
it is obvious that both images are of the same heat anomaly...
Energy from a volcano is a local affair...energy from hundreds of thousands of previously unconsidered volcanoes and vents is an entirely different thing.
not new? How old are they? How long have they been active?
Average heat flux from internal heat -- 90 milliwatts/m^2
Average solar energy reaching the surface -- 161 W/m^2 of direct solar energy, and 333 W/m^2 of backradiation, for a total of 494 W/m^2. That is, about 5000 times more than the internal heat.
Average forcing from greenhouse gas changes -- 3 W/M^2, about 300 times the internal heat.
Conclusion -- Most deniers are incapable of grasping the concept of "scale", which leads to them making idiot conclusions.
Where are you getting these numbers? ... the 0.1 W/m^2 is close enough to the guessed value of 1 W/m^2 ... but ...
The published value for incoming solar radiation is 1,360 W/m^2
... accounting for albedo and vector changes we have 238 W/m^2 outgoing terrestrial radiation ... the IPCC uses 1.8 W/m^2 for climate forcing,
or about 236 W/m^2 actual outgoing radiation ...
You seem to miss the concept of scale as well ... 2ºC over 100 years ... that's a tiny amount, most people would notice that much warming from day-to-day ... but week-to-week? ... year-to-year? ... seriously, except for thermometers no one would notice if today was 2ºC warmer
We should shut down the American economy to save the world!The odds have just been doubled at a catastrophic destabilization of the Antarctic ice shelf.
Scientists Discover Massive Instability Under East Antarctica Glacier
Scientists thought the Denman Glacier was less vulnerable than the continent’s western coast, but it has receded almost three miles in two decades.www.bloomberg.com
it is obvious that both images are of the same heat anomaly...
400 W/m^2 isn't an anomaly ... it's bogus ...
Your citation doesn't back that claim up ... care to try again? ...
So you're actually still claiming that thousands of new volcanoes just recently popped up under the Antarctic ice, and that they're all magical undetectable volcanoes. You and your "DERP! VOLCANOES!" crew are a special breed of moron (though I believe people have pointed that out before.)
Where are the heat plumes that would have to be detectable? Where are the chemicals that would have to be detectable? The data says your theory is stupid, so your theory is stupid.
But then, your cult tells you to believe in idiot magic, therefore you believe in idiot magic, and no rational people will be able to convince you otherwise. That accounts for much of the laughter.
You have to average that over the whole earth, both sides, which instantly cuts it by a factor of 4. And then a portion of the radiation doesn't reach the ground.
