Zone1 Early Christians believed that the bread and wine used in the Eucharist were transformed into the body and blood of Christ

[Meriweather]

Being stubborn and refusing to compromise beliefs is not always a bad thing, if those beliefs are true. Why do you say I'm insulting to Catholics? I'm not insulting Catholics, I'm questioning their beliefs as a fellow believer in Christ. I know you have your beliefs. Can they not be challenged?

I remember as a young person in the Conservative Mennonite Conference, some in the youth group wanted to discuss some of the things we were grappling with about Conservative Mennonite beliefs when one of them said, "Oh, we don't need to do that. It's already been decided for us". That's not going to fly with me. I believe every generation should put their beliefs up against the Word to validate and change them if need be.

When someone has gone to the trouble of responding to a challenge, explaining Catholic beliefs, is it courteous to keep on hounding him/her? If there are a further questions, that's wonderful, if the response is a continued, "Your are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, that is not respectful.

What is respectful, is to state, "That is not my belief, just like your beliefs about transubstantiation are not my beliefs, and I understand why it would be wrong for me to receive the Eucharist pretending I believe as Catholics do. This would not be true to myself, and it would not be true to the people with whom I have been worshiping."

 

[ding]

000 76 ecbttbaw …~… newborn baby girls come with 11/2 million eggs for future reproduction of the human species. Do those eggs belong to the newborn baby girls or to the government and/or church?


Meriweather said: …~… ...glorified bodies, a glorified presence, that has fed God's people down through the ages.

ding said: …~… I am no saint. Never claimed to be. I doubt you did either. It is better to see oneself as bad and working towards good rather than to see oneself as good and oblivious to the potential for becoming bad.

Free will allows me to chose to do moral or immoral things. It would be a mistake of epic proportion to rationalize I am being moral when I am not. Many a saint have pondered this.

Bottom line... God uses it all to prune us; to progress us; if we are paying attention-

whut ecbttbaw00076 …~… Why this Republican Party Government enforcement of what the both of you believe happened on a Cross 2000 years before my newest granddaughter was born? She was born into humanity 21 months ago

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1.3 We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, His sinless life, His miracles, His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, His bodily resurrection, His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and His personal return in power and glory.

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1.9 We believe a person’s work and business, when informed and motivated by Christian Values, constitutes religious exercise and worship.

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2.1 Human life, from the moment of conception to natural death, is sacred. Human life should be honored and protected at all stages of life.

2.2 Abortion is the intentional taking of human life or termination of pregnancy at any time from the moment of conception through birth. Abortion is contrary to Christian Values.

2.3 The use of human embryonic stem cells acquired from destruction of nascent human life and the use of fetal tissue acquired from abortion is contrary to Christian Values.

2.4 Suicide and assisted suicide are contrary to Christian Values.

2.5 Male and female are immutable realities defined by biological sex. Gender reassignment is contrary to Christian Values.

2.6 Marriage is a lifelong, permanent, and monogamous heterosexual union.

2.7 Unless a Member has exhausted all alternatives that do not create a greater transgression of Christian Values, and such Member has taken all reasonable steps to avoid all transgressions, a Member cannot—consistent with Christian Values—provide services for, healthcare coverage of, reimbursement for, or access to:

1. Abortions and abortion inducing drugs and devices.
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3. Assisted suicide.
4. Gender reassignment therapies and surgery.
5. Counseling affirming or encouraging any acts or behavior violating Christian Values, or
6. Any medical treatments, procedures, or medication contrary to Christian Values.

2.8 All people have the God-given right to exercise their faith freely, without interference from the government.

2.9 Christians are called to exercise their faith in every area of their lives — their homes, schools, ministries, businesses

dxxvi Apr 30, 2025

tl/dr

 

[ding]

When someone has gone to the trouble of responding to a challenge, explaining Catholic beliefs, is it courteous to keep on hounding him/her?

I don't believe being courteous is a priority for most of the posters here.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

tl/dr

here is the question as asked:

000 76 ecbttbaw …~… newborn baby girls come with 11/2 million eggs for future reproduction of the human species. Do those eggs belong to the newborn baby girls or to the government and/or church?

 

[ding]

here is the question as asked:

000 76 ecbttbaw …~… newborn baby girls come with 11/2 million eggs for future reproduction of the human species. Do those eggs belong to the newborn baby girls or to the government and/or church?

Who do you belong to?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Who do you belong to?

Not a government or a church.

 

[hadit]

No, it doesn't sound brutal. It sounds like someone who lacks understanding. Let's see if I can help.


Anyone can become Catholic, understand and believe what happens during the transubstantiation, and become Catholic. Anyone can walk into a Catholic Church, observe, but not partake in the Sacraments when they do not believe, or have no understanding of what they are proclaiming by being baptized, going to confession, partaking the Eucharist, being confirmed, by marrying, or training to become a priest.

IOW, Catholic communion is reserved solely for Catholics. Exclusionary and not inclusive of other believers, as I have stated. Catholics believe that they alone know how to do communion right and no one else does. You have to be Catholic to do communion "right" and that's not what Jesus established.

Think over what you are saying. Would you take your car to be serviced by someone who was trained in repairing cars? Would you go to someone who was not a doctor to have your appendix removed? Can you walk into any board member of any company and insist they accept your vote on matters you have not studied?

Of course, I would turn to an elder in the church who has walked with God for decades for spiritual advice. I would not turn to someone who is on my level or not as mature and only regurgitating traditional Church teachings that insist on adding to the Scriptures.

Division of labor is well known throughout the labor. When the Jewish Temple is rebuilt, will you walk into the Temple and insisting on being the person who can slay the animal and offer a sacrifice to God?

I would not because I am not Jewish and therefore will not be entering the Temple to offer sacrifices to God.

Jesus established a special priesthood to perform certain tasks, an icon of himself, so-to-speak. Paul spoke of division of labor within the Christian faith. His analogy is that in the same way the body has many parts and serves different purposes/function, so do people of faith. (See 1 Corinthians 12:12-27.)

And from that passage this:

27: Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28: And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. 29: Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30: Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31: But earnestly desire the higher gifts.

Now, what's missing in that passage? Anyone? Hint, we don't see anything about a priesthood, do we? But where IS Jesus' priesthood?

From 1 Peter 2:

9: But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

All believers in Christ form a royal priesthood. There is no "special priesthood" in Christ. You guys just made that up to give somebody the power to compel Jesus to offer His blood and body to be sacrificed again and to forgive sin or deny forgiveness. After all, we couldn't have just anyone doing that. They have to be in a group tightly controlled by the Church's power structure, not just under God's authority. Doubt that? Note that Catholics believe they, and only they, can ordain priests and would fight tooth and nail against someone claiming to be a priest from outside Catholicism.

 

[hadit]

When someone has gone to the trouble of responding to a challenge, explaining Catholic beliefs, is it courteous to keep on hounding him/her?

I am not attempting to "hound" you. I merely raise inconvenient questions that time after time come back to, "That's Church tradition". I find you interesting and willing to actually talk about why Catholics do what they do while finding other Catholics on here to be more interested in dogmatically declaring their superiority over and over again.

If there are a further questions, that's wonderful, if the response is a continued, "Your are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, you are wrong, that is not respectful.

If you receive repeated messages including Scripture that illustrate weaknesses or outright falsehoods in your beliefs, don't you think you should evaluate them honestly instead of just insisting that Church tradition must be followed even if it conflicts with Scripture?

What is respectful, is to state, "That is not my belief, just like your beliefs about transubstantiation are not my beliefs, and I understand why it would be wrong for me to receive the Eucharist pretending I believe as Catholics do.

And why are Catholics so adamant that their communion service be exclusive and be kept solely to themselves, even while claiming they find nothing inferior in the services of others? There's no Scriptural reason to exclude other believers from a communion service solely because they don't go to a Catholic church.

This would not be true to myself, and it would not be true to the people with whom I have been worshiping."

Ah, but being true to ourselves and those with whom we worship must fall secondary to being true to God and His Word. We and other worshippers are human and fallible while God and the Word are not and sometimes that means we have to part ways with tradition and other worshippers. Martin Luther comes to mind. I have said before and I will say again that every generation of believers needs to become like the Bereans and search the Scriptures to make sure what they are hearing and believe lines up with Scripture. Blind adherence to church tradition instead of openness to the Spirit inspired Scriptures makes it easy to lead people astray.

 

[Meriweather]

Exclusionary and not inclusive of other believers, as I have stated. Catholics believe that they alone know how to do communion right and no one else does. You have to be Catholic to do communion "right" and that's not what Jesus established.

Catholics welcome all in to the Catholic faith. It only you who are excluding yourself.

 

[Meriweather]

I would not because I am not Jewish

Exactly. And nor are you Catholic, are you.

 

[Meriweather]

There is no "special priesthood" in Christ.

That is your belief. Take a look in Acts. Whose shadow did the people want to fall over those who were ailing?

 

[Meriweather]

I merely raise inconvenient questions

They are not "inconvenient". You have asked them ad nauseum and I have answered them ad nauseum.

If you receive repeated messages including Scripture that illustrate weaknesses or outright falsehoods

Scripture does not. Your interpretation(s) do.

 

[excalibur]

Yall believe in weird stuff. Make believe cannibalism lolz

Nope, miraculous stuff.

 

[Meriweather]

communion service be exclusive

The Eucharist is for those who believe that it the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ.

 

[ding]

Not a government or a church.

The correct answer is no one.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

000 96 ecbttbaw…~… Christians in the U.S. are split into two FACTIONS …~… Republican Christians who vote lawless Republican want an autocracy // oligarchy to take the nation back to Jim Crow …~… Christians who vote Democrat oppose what the lawless Republicans want but are way behind the Republicans when it comes to organizing and fundraising. That has to change over the next 12 months.

ding afaacnyz00384 …~… I am giving credit where credit is due. Virtue is the greatest organizing principle known to man. You can’t have freedom and liberty without it. No other institution played a greater role in shaping Western Civilization than the Catholic Church. …~… Post Jan 20, 2020

Whut *96 to afaacnyz00384 …~… Six Republican appointed Catholics on the Supreme Court Saint Ding ruled that the Jim Crow states in general have the right to take possession of newborn baby girls’ eggs when they are old enough to ovulate. Are you calling that invasion of privacy an example of your Catholic virtue?

whut ecbttbaw00076 …~… Newborn baby girls come with 11/2 million eggs for future reproduction of the human species. Do those eggs belong to the newborn baby girls or to the government and/or church?

ding *85 to 76 …~… Who do you belong to?

whut *86 to 85 …~… Not a government or a church.

ding *95 to 86 …~… The correct answer is no one.

MISCHIEFS OF FACTION BLOG ~ Jennifer N. Victor ~ Viiijevior ~ Sep 29, 2022 …~… organizing against autocracy/ /oligarchy/ /the Republican Party​

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Between 1877 and 1965, democratic backsliding was concentrated in the American South. This era included vigilantism, lynchings, violence, state-supported racial segregation, and loss of rights and liberties for millions of Americans, whose progeny were subsequently locked out of economic and educational opportunities to build wealth, own property, and advance their family wellbeing, relative to many white Americans.​

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This period of backsliding is instructive for managing our current backsliding for two reasons. First, we’ve been here before. We should not act as if America has been a beacon of exemplary democracy for hundreds of years and does not know how to manage domestic conflict; rather, we’ve only been a democracy for fewer than 60 years, and our entire history is a cycle of managing domestic conflict. The U.S. experienced autocratic rule, at least regionally, for the better part of a century through the Jim Crow era—it is not a novel invention in modern America.​

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Second, the lesson of prior periods of backsliding is that organizing against oppression and autocracy is the way out. In fact, it is the only way out. Jim Crow did not magically end in the 1960s because Americans finally came to their moral senses. For all his tremendous accomplishments, Martin Luther King, Jr. did not single-handedly cause progress on racial equality. He wasn't even popular at the time; he was a strongly controversial figure. The entire period of Jim Crow is filled with activism, organization, coalition building, and advocacy to improve institutions and create a just society for more people. A robust Civil Rights movement existed in the late 1800s and early 1900s led by prolific and courageous leaders like W.E.B. DuBois and Ida B. Wells.​

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We’ve been here before and our ancestors have shown us the way out. Do not relent. Persist. Seek justice. Organize. Be generous toward your community. Express gratitude toward others and yourself. When you can muster the courage, call out injustice when you see it.​

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This empowerment is the main reason not to despair for too long, given the state of things. Look for signs of organizing, resistance, and community-building around you—you will find them.​

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xcvi May 1, 2025​

 

[TNHarley]

Nope, miraculous stuff.

If you say so.

 

[hadit]

Catholics welcome all in to the Catholic faith. It only you who are excluding yourself.

That's like saying the Baptists are fine with everyone, as long as they're Baptist.

 

[hadit]

The Eucharist is for those who believe that it the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ.

Communion is for all believers who wish to commemorate Jesus' sacrifice of His body and blood, not force Him to sacrifice it all over again.

 

[hadit]

They are not "inconvenient". You have asked them ad nauseum and I have answered them ad nauseum.

And every answer has come down to, "Church tradition".

Scripture does not. Your interpretation(s) do.

When Scripture says we all are a royal priesthood, how do you interpret it to come up with a "special" priesthood that you endow with special powers and privileges? This is what I'm talking about, pulling certain ideas out in isolation and making whole new theologies out of them.