Duty Calls: Vietnam veterans to receive pins in appreciation of war duty.

[Soupnazi630]

Say nothing about intelligence and NRBC-units. Agent Orange wasn't the only poison Americans used against Vietnamese people, you know.

Agewnt orange was poisonous to plants

It was not used against people. If you are hinting we used chemical weapons then you are lying

 

[Zavulon]

Agewnt orange was poisonous to plants

It was not used against people.

2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (or simply, but not exactly accurate - dioxin) is poisonous to humans, its mutagenic and cancerogenic (as well as other "inpurities"). It is official.

If you are hinting we used chemical weapons then you are lying

And, unofficially, South Vietnamese forces (under American control) tried to use Sarine few times. But Russian/Vietnamese spies made a good job, even better job was made by unofficially presented NRBC-experts, VC causualties were minimal, SV collaborants were defeated. Nobody emphatized those episodes for different reasons.

 

[luiza]

The press used public opinion to force us to abandon Vietnam.
It was just like Afghanistan, but on a larger scale.

The press is filled with leftists who never want to see America win another war.

Bad news.
You lost the war , and badly ---whatever excuses you wish to offer -- Press , Jane Fonda , hippies , soldiers smoking too much pot , 75% of soldiers admitting they never shot to hit a person etc

As for not wanting the US to win another war :-
The real questions are whether your troops are of good enough calibre, and whether you can now match Russian and Chinese equipment .

And it is a No ,followed by another, No .
You may hate hearing that, but it's exactly what many experts report .

 

[Soupnazi630]

2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzodioxin (or simply, but not exactly accurate - dioxin) is poisonous to humans, its mutagenic and cancerogenic (as well as other "inpurities"). It is official.



And, unofficially, South Vietnamese forces (under American control) tried to use Sarine few times. But Russian/Vietnamese spies made a good job, even better job was made by unofficially presented NRBC-experts, VC causualties were minimal, SV collaborants were defeated. Nobody emphatized those episodes for different reasons.

yes and dioxin exists in nature. No poison is poison just because it exists it is poisonous based on dosages. You have dioxin , cyanide, arsenic and every other poison known to man in your body right now but in trace amounts. Agent orange also contained dioxin in trace amount as in one part per 3 billion parts. It was not poisonous sorry

South vietnmese forces NOT UNDER US control NEVER used sarin

 

[Soupnazi630]

Some idiots watch too many Hollywood films like the Deer Hunter which was full of self pity and propaganda, there is Zero evidence any POWs were forced to play Russian Roulette, but there is a lot of evidence that Vietnamese fighters were murdered and tortured, the image shows Tiger cages first used by French Colonialists and continued by the Americans. as for Village elders being shot that tends to happen with Collaborators.
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No one mentiioned the deer hunter except you and no one mentioned russian roulette

What we do know is that the north vietnamerse brutally tortured starved and murdered our POWS.

They did not murder collaborators the raped tortured and murdered villagers who resisted their invasion of the south

 

[luiza]

75% of US fighters in Vietnam deliberately aimed to avoid killing the enemy .
Official Research result . Much of it due to drugs availability ,

 

[Zavulon]

yes and dioxin exists in nature. No poison is poison just because it exists it is poisonous based on dosages. You have dioxin , cyanide, arsenic and every other poison known to man in your body right now but in trace amounts. Agent orange also contained dioxin in trace amount as in one part per 3 billion parts. It was not poisonous sorry

Of course agent Orange never was that "pure" (may be it was intentionally "inpure"). And there where was a significant help of Russian doctors and NRBC-experts - the death and crippling rates were relatively low. In the regions with low support - the number of victims was catastrophic. And Vietnamese people do know it. It is their actual, first hand experience.

South vietnmese forces NOT UNDER US control NEVER used sarin

So you told. But who are you? And documents, photoes and token in museums and "rooms of the battle glory" (say nothing about actual witnesses) say different things.

 

[Zavulon]

No one mentiioned the deer hunter except you and no one mentioned russian roulette

What we do know is that the north vietnamerse brutally tortured starved and murdered our POWS.

Technically, they were not POWs because technically it wasn't a "war". And given all the evil Americans did there - it was quite understandable.

They did not murder collaborators the raped tortured and murdered villagers who resisted their invasion of the south

As if South Vietnamese collaborants were somehow better. Actually, most of south Vietnamese prefer to work with VC rather than with the puppet regime in Saigon.

 

[Deadstick]

No one mentiioned the deer hunter except you and no one mentioned russian roulette

What we do know is that the north vietnamerse brutally tortured starved and murdered our POWS.

They did not murder collaborators the raped tortured and murdered villagers who resisted their invasion of the south

How do you invade your own Country? the US POWs didn't look that bad including that psycho John McCain so cry me a river, and i mentioned the Deer hunter because that is the sort of crap that has brainwashed people.

 

[Deadstick]

Bad news.
You lost the war , and badly ---whatever excuses you wish to offer -- Press , Jane Fonda , hippies , soldiers smoking too much pot , 75% of soldiers admitting they never shot to hit a person etc

As for not wanting the US to win another war :-
The real questions are whether your troops are of good enough calibre, and whether you can now match Russian and Chinese equipment .

And it is a No ,followed by another, No .
You may hate hearing that, but it's exactly what many experts report .

What these fools don't get is the average GI was there because he was drafted or bought all the red scare bullshit, the Vietnamese whether the Southern NLF fighters or North Vietnamese regulars were highly motivated because they were fighting to liberate their own Country and defend their families from foreign aggression, some of those NLF fighters had spent many years in the jungle fighting the French Japanese and then the Americans, your average GI just wanted to survive then come back.

 

[dblack]

Maybe they should create some they can attach to the Vietnam war memorial?

Iris is awesome.

 

[Soupnazi630]

How do you invade your own Country? the US POWs didn't look that bad including that psycho John McCain so cry me a river, and i mentioned the Deer hunter because that is the sort of crap that has brainwashed people.

It was not their country

of course they were cleaned up before being returned but the mistreatment is documented and provem

No the deer hunter has brainwashed no one

 

[Soupnazi630]

What these fools don't get is the average GI was there because he was drafted or bought all the red scare bullshit, the Vietnamese whether the Southern NLF fighters or North Vietnamese regulars were highly motivated because they were fighting to liberate their own Country and defend their families from foreign aggression, some of those NLF fighters had spent many years in the jungle fighting the French Japanese and then the Americans, your average GI just wanted to survive then come back.

Wrong

Most GIs there were volunteers. Only 25 % were drafted

The NVA and NLF were foreign invaders it was NOT their countrry

 

[Soupnazi630]

Technically, they were not POWs because technically it wasn't a "war". And given all the evil Americans did there - it was quite understandable.


As if South Vietnamese collaborants were somehow better. Actually, most of south Vietnamese prefer to work with VC rather than with the puppet regime in Saigon.

It was immoral and not justified.

the evils were commited by the communists

Most of the southern people hated the VC you are out of touch with reality

 

[Zavulon]

It was not their country

Of course it was (and still is). And definitely it wasn't American country.

of course they were cleaned up before being returned but the mistreatment is documented and provem

As well as numerous cases of American (and their quislings) crimes. War is usually a dirty thing.

No the deer hunter has brainwashed no one

And what has brainwashed you? "Green Berets"?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Of course agent Orange never was that "pure" (may be it was intentionally "inpure"). And there where was a significant help of Russian doctors and NRBC-experts - the death and crippling rates were relatively low. In the regions with low support - the number of victims was catastrophic. And Vietnamese people do know it. It is their actual, first hand experience.


So you told. But who are you? And documents, photoes and token in museums and "rooms of the battle glory" (say nothing about actual witnesses) say different things.

There were no such catostrophic victims

There are no such photos documents witnesses etc to ANY use of sarin

The vietnamese do not know better they are told to say such things

Agent orange was found to be somewhat carcineginic it did not contain poisonous levels of dioxin

 

[Soupnazi630]

75% of US fighters in Vietnam deliberately aimed to avoid killing the enemy .
Official Research result . Much of it due to drugs availability ,

Wrong

complete bullshit

 

[Soupnazi630]

Of course it was (and still is). And definitely it wasn't American country.

As well as numerous cases of American (and their quislings) crimes. War is usually a dirty thing.

And what has brainwashed you? "Green Berets"?

Wrong

It was not their country the north was their country we were supporting an ally

As opposed to what ?PLATOON? which you think is a documentary

 

[Zavulon]

There were no such catostrophic victims

Only because of help from Russian doctors and chemists.

There are no such photos documents witnesses etc to ANY use of sarin

There are such witnesses. One of them was talking with us, when I was in the Army.

The vietnamese do not know better they are told to say such things

Yeah, of course. They lie and you say the truth. Sure we should believe you (movie watcher), rather than actual witnesses.

Agent orange was found to be somewhat carcineginic it did not contain poisonous levels of dioxin

Bla-bla-bla.... Those guys who actually examined it know better.

 

[Zavulon]

Wrong

It was not their country the north was their country we were supporting an ally

Most of the South people definitely preferred VC, either. The USA supported anti-people regime, actually - colonal administration.

As opposed to what ?PLATOON? which you think is a documentary

I prefer "Green Berets", the only American movie about Vietnamese war, actually made during the time of Vietnamese war. Of course its rather primitive propaganda, but even primitive propaganda (especially primitive propaganda), if made properly, may show us the more or less actual motivation of American people and American soldiers.

And I like actual American songs about it, like, say Tom Paxton's "Lyndon Johnson Told the Nation".