Dresden in 1945

[Zebra]

It was a legitimate war target, as it was a major hub for both industry and shipping.

no, it was not

it was a city of beauty

 

[Zebra]

Sad but true

not true

 

[Mushroom]

no, it was not

You are actually denying that it was a major industrial and shipping hub?

Just one of the three major railyards in Dresden. With the Krupps artillery plant in the background.

 

[Deadstick]

no, it was not

it was a city of beauty

We need to get real about allied bombing, sure many were strategic targets but many were terror bombing of civilians to terrorize the population, all i would say is it was a total war between the two sides and it's ugly.

 

[Zebra]

We need to get real about allied bombing, sure many were strategic targets but many were terror bombing of civilians to terrorize the population, all i would say is it was a total war between the two sides and it's ugly.

yes, terror

but one side wanted to be the good side?

 

[Deadstick]

You are actually denying that it was a major industrial and shipping hub?

Just one of the three major railyards in Dresden. With the Krupps artillery plant in the background.

The major bombing was just a few weeks away from wars end, the Germans were in no fit state to do anything much.

 

[Zebra]

low flying fighter planes shot at farmers in fields and at mothers with prams and baby

 

[Zebra]

The major bombing was just a few weeks away from wars end, the Germans were in no fit state to do anything much.

so bombings like Dresden had no military value

 

[Deadstick]

so bombings like Dresden had no military value

At that stage of the war i would say very little if any.

 

[Deadstick]

yes, terror

but one side wanted to be the good side?

I won't make any excuses for the Nazis but we have to be truthful, like the murder of POWs, in Normandy were the worst the 12th SS Hitler Jugend under Kurt Meyer murdered several Canadians, but after that Canadians didn't take many prisoners from that unit they were killed on the spot or at best beaten to pulp, like this one captured by the Canadians.

 

[Zebra]

At that stage of the war i would say very little if any.

it only destroyed world heritage ...

 

[Zebra]

I won't make any excuses for the Nazis but we have to be truthful, like the murder of POWs, in Normandy were the worst the 12th SS under Kurt Meyer murdered several Canadians, but after that Canadians didn't take many prisoners from that unit they were killed on the spot or at best beaten to pulp.

there is no excuse for the nazis ...

 

[Zebra]

Most people who know of it, or anything about it likely have through this;
Slaughterhouse-Five, or, The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death is a 1969 semi-autobiographic science fiction-infused anti-war novel by Kurt Vonnegut. It follows the life and experiences of Billy Pilgrim, from his early years, to his time as an American soldier and chaplain's assistant during World War II, to the post-war years, with Billy occasionally traveling through time. The text centers on Billy's capture by the German Army and his survival of the Allied firebombing of Dresden as a prisoner of war, an experience which Vonnegut himself lived through as an American serviceman. The work has been called an example of "unmatched moral clarity"[3] and "one of the most enduring anti-war novels of all time".[3]
...

Slaughterhouse-Five - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

just quoting

 

[Deadstick]

it only destroyed world heritage ...

At the end of the War my Dad and his unit passed through Hamburg he couldn't believe the level of destruction.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

just quoting

I’ve been to Dresden, en route to Poland.

The suburbs, or umgebung, were untouched.

 

[Zebra]

Is this what you're referencing?

have watched the videos!
impressive!

 

[gipper]

At the end of the War my Dad and his unit passed through Hamburg he couldn't believe the level of destruction.

My father landed in Le Harvre October 1944. He said the city was extensively destroyed by allied bombing, apparently in an effort to deceive Germany the allied landing would be there rather than Normandy. The stench of death hung in the air. He said France citizens who survived were most upset by the bombings, as they’d lost so many people. There were no parades and celebrations by these French citizens for their liberation from Germany.

If we’d do that to French civilians, mass murdering German civilians was a cake walk.

 

[Deadstick]

My father landed in Le Harvre October 1944. He said the city was extensively destroyed by allied bombing, apparently in an effort to deceive Germany the allied landing would be there rather than Normandy. The stench of death hung in the air. He said France citizens who survived were most upset by the bombings, as they’d lost so many people. There were no parades and celebrations by these French citizens for their liberation from Germany.

If we’d do that to French civilians, mass murdering German civilians was a cake walk.

Caen was also destroyed.

 

[gipper]

Caen was also destroyed.

My father moved through France and into Germany. Nearly every major city he saw in Germany was damaged by allied bombing, some leveled.

As you said, total war was implemented by the ‘good guys’ causing massive death of civilians. Many ignorant Americans think this is entirely appropriate. Had we lost the war, our military and political leaders would have been executed for war crimes and rightly so.

 

[Zebra]

a certain Anne Helm of the Leftist Party declared ...

Thank you, Bomber Harris!