Donald Trump suggested Wednesday that he would allow exceptions to let some undocumented immigrants

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Donald Trump suggested Wednesday that he would allow exceptions to let some undocumented immigrants to stay in the US, vowing he wouldn't grant them citizenship but telling Fox News, "there's no amnesty, but we work with them."



Donald Trump suggests major shift on deportations - CNNPolitics.com

 

[Roudy]

That should be good news for you?

 

[Al Azar]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

Nah, we should boot the illegal aliens in our midst.

 

[leftwinger]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

The USA has laws. We not "stuck" with anything. Un-stick it where possible and where it will be economically beneficial.

 

[leftwinger]

Pareto the problem. Bad ones out, easy ones (visa) out. Make them pay (sieze assets). Start there as you seal Obama's leaky border. It really is not that difficult.

 

[Al Azar]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

Nah, we should boot the illegal aliens in our midst.

So now you want to talk about illegal aliens? Fine. Boot 'em. The OP mentioned only the undocumented, who can't be involuntarily sent anywhere.

 

[DGS49]

To be absolutely clear, the Clinton position on the 20 or so million illegals in this country is to make them voting citizens as quickly as possible. This is no exaggeration.

Given the practical difficulties in rounding the bastards up and shipping back where they came from, a reasonable counter-position - indeed the one that a President Trump would inevitably embrace - is:

(1) Seal the borders,

(2) Allow the "good" ones to remain, under some sort of permanent "green card" status (NEVER as U.S. citizens),

(3) End birthright citizenship IMMEDIATELY, by legislation, and

(4) PROHIBIT any Federal benefits whatsoever from going to anyone who is not a citizen or legal resident in the future. No welfare, no food stamps, no housing subsidies, no fucking SSI, no MEDICAID, and on and on.

 

[william the wie]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

Nah, we should boot the illegal aliens in our midst.

So now you want to talk about illegal aliens? Fine. Boot 'em. The OP mentioned only the undocumented, who can't be involuntarily sent anywhere.

Yeah, if you can't prove where they came from booting them to a particular place is difficult.

 

[Roudy]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

Nah, we should boot the illegal aliens in our midst.

So now you want to talk about illegal aliens? Fine. Boot 'em. The OP mentioned only the undocumented, who can't be involuntarily sent anywhere.

The undocumented are illegal, Abdul. And if we can't tell where they came from then it's more of a case to boot them.

 

[william the wie]

Yeah it is a problem that sometimes you know only generally where someone comes from or you can't prove where they come from like Kiwis and Aussies only worse in most of the world.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

Nah, we should boot the illegal aliens in our midst.

So now you want to talk about illegal aliens? Fine. Boot 'em. The OP mentioned only the undocumented, who can't be involuntarily sent anywhere.

The OP mentioned only the undocumented,

Someone sneaks over the border.....how are they documented?
How are the undocumented not here illegally?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yeah it is a problem that sometimes you know only generally where someone comes from or you can't prove where they come from like Kiwis and Aussies only worse in most of the world.

Yeah it is a problem that sometimes you know only generally where someone comes

Send the Muslim ones to Syria, I hear there's room.

Send the Spanish speakers to Venezuela.

If that isn't their area of origin, they can walk toward home.

 

[Al Azar]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

Nah, we should boot the illegal aliens in our midst.

So now you want to talk about illegal aliens? Fine. Boot 'em. The OP mentioned only the undocumented, who can't be involuntarily sent anywhere.

Yeah, if you can't prove where they came from booting them to a particular place is difficult.

That's exactly the problem. We can't deport anyone without being able to prove they don't belong here, and that's impossible with the undocumented. We either keep them in the shadows, unable to get legitimate jobs and pay taxes and contribute to SS and Medicare, or give them a path to establish citizenship.

There's no legal third option.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

Nah, we should boot the illegal aliens in our midst.

So now you want to talk about illegal aliens? Fine. Boot 'em. The OP mentioned only the undocumented, who can't be involuntarily sent anywhere.

Yeah, if you can't prove where they came from booting them to a particular place is difficult.

That's exactly the problem. We can't deport anyone without being able to prove they don't belong here, and that's impossible with the undocumented. We either keep them in the shadows, unable to get legitimate jobs and pay taxes and contribute to SS and Medicare, or give them a path to establish citizenship.

There's no legal third option.

We can't deport anyone without being able to prove they don't belong here, and that's impossible with the undocumented.

"Hey, Mr. Undocumented, can you prove you belong here?"

"Ummmm...no"

"Okay, you have to leave"

Why is this scenario impossible?

 

[Al Azar]

The OP mentioned only the undocumented,

Someone sneaks over the border.....how are they documented?
How are the undocumented not here illegally?

You can't wrap your head around the big word? Undocumented means there's no evidence they're not who and what they claim to be. If a fellow who doesn't speak English and is unfamiliar with our customs claims he was born in Los Angeles, we have no way of proving he wasn't because he's undocumented.

Catch someone sneaking across the border and he's not undocumented, he's an illegal caught in the act. His arrest for being caught sneaking across the border documents his status as an illegal immigrant. But just suspect someone of sneaking across the border and you can call him any name in the book but you can't do a thing about it.

We don't have a mandatory national ID card in this country. It would solve so many problems if we did, from immigration to voting eligibility, but there are people in this country with political objections to having to acquire a national ID, establishing such a database with their personal info in it (like they aren't already in a database like that) so we're all stuck with dealing with major social problems for the lack of it.

The "illegal immigrant" tag cover two different groups of people in the country with distinct differences in status. One is the actual illegal, someone who we can document came into this country illegally by being caught at the border, or came here legally on a visa and didn't go home when they were supposed to. These people are arrested and deported as fast as we can process them.

The other group who certain people like to lump in with illegals is the many undocumented people we have in this country. We think they shouldn't be here but we can't prove it. There's no record of them arriving here, there's no record of them visiting and their visit exceeding its expiration date, there's no record of anything that would allow us to take action against them.

We can ask them to go back home, or get them into a situation where it might seem to them to be in their best interests to own up and volunteer to go back home, but we can't force them to do a thing because it's impossible to prove they weren't born in the US if they claim they were.

And that's because they're undocumented.

 

[Al Azar]

You don't "let" the undocumented do anything, other than let them alone or let them jump through hoops. We're stuck with them because they're undocumented.

Nah, we should boot the illegal aliens in our midst.

So now you want to talk about illegal aliens? Fine. Boot 'em. The OP mentioned only the undocumented, who can't be involuntarily sent anywhere.

Yeah, if you can't prove where they came from booting them to a particular place is difficult.

That's exactly the problem. We can't deport anyone without being able to prove they don't belong here, and that's impossible with the undocumented. We either keep them in the shadows, unable to get legitimate jobs and pay taxes and contribute to SS and Medicare, or give them a path to establish citizenship.

There's no legal third option.

We can't deport anyone without being able to prove they don't belong here, and that's impossible with the undocumented.

"Hey, Mr. Undocumented, can you prove you belong here?"

"Ummmm...no"

"Okay, you have to leave"

Why is this scenario impossible?

It' might be OK where you live, but in the US we can't kick people out of the country without proof that they don't belong here. No one has to prove he has a right to be here, the government has to prove that he doesn't. That's the way the US legal system works. The burden of proof is on the government.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The OP mentioned only the undocumented,

Someone sneaks over the border.....how are they documented?
How are the undocumented not here illegally?

You can't wrap your head around the big word? Undocumented means there's no evidence they're not who and what they claim to be. If a fellow who doesn't speak English and is unfamiliar with our customs claims he was born in Los Angeles, we have no way of proving he wasn't because he's undocumented.

Catch someone sneaking across the border and he's not undocumented, he's an illegal caught in the act. His arrest for being caught sneaking across the border documents his status as an illegal immigrant. But just suspect someone of sneaking across the border and you can call him any name in the book but you can't do a thing about it.

We don't have a mandatory national ID card in this country. It would solve so many problems if we did, from immigration to voting eligibility, but there are people in this country with political objections to having to acquire a national ID, establishing such a database with their personal info in it (like they aren't already in a database like that) so we're all stuck with dealing with major social problems for the lack of it.

The "illegal immigrant" tag cover two different groups of people in the country with distinct differences in status. One is the actual illegal, someone who we can document came into this country illegally by being caught at the border, or came here legally on a visa and didn't go home when they were supposed to. These people are arrested and deported as fast as we can process them.

The other group who certain people like to lump in with illegals is the many undocumented people we have in this country. We think they shouldn't be here but we can't prove it. There's no record of them arriving here, there's no record of them visiting and their visit exceeding its expiration date, there's no record of anything that would allow us to take action against them.

We can ask them to go back home, or get them into a situation where it might seem to them to be in their best interests to own up and volunteer to go back home, but we can't force them to do a thing because it's impossible to prove they weren't born in the US if they claim they were.

And that's because they're undocumented.

If a fellow who doesn't speak English and is unfamiliar with our customs claims he was born in Los Angeles, we have no way of proving he wasn't because he's undocumented.

He can't prove he was born in Los Angeles? Sorry Charlie, buh-bye.

But just suspect someone of sneaking across the border and you can call him any name in the book but you can't do a thing about it.

Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but we don't have to let someone stay here simply because they managed to sneak in and ditch their ID.

 

[Al Azar]

The OP mentioned only the undocumented,

Someone sneaks over the border.....how are they documented?
How are the undocumented not here illegally?

You can't wrap your head around the big word? Undocumented means there's no evidence they're not who and what they claim to be. If a fellow who doesn't speak English and is unfamiliar with our customs claims he was born in Los Angeles, we have no way of proving he wasn't because he's undocumented.

Catch someone sneaking across the border and he's not undocumented, he's an illegal caught in the act. His arrest for being caught sneaking across the border documents his status as an illegal immigrant. But just suspect someone of sneaking across the border and you can call him any name in the book but you can't do a thing about it.

We don't have a mandatory national ID card in this country. It would solve so many problems if we did, from immigration to voting eligibility, but there are people in this country with political objections to having to acquire a national ID, establishing such a database with their personal info in it (like they aren't already in a database like that) so we're all stuck with dealing with major social problems for the lack of it.

The "illegal immigrant" tag cover two different groups of people in the country with distinct differences in status. One is the actual illegal, someone who we can document came into this country illegally by being caught at the border, or came here legally on a visa and didn't go home when they were supposed to. These people are arrested and deported as fast as we can process them.

The other group who certain people like to lump in with illegals is the many undocumented people we have in this country. We think they shouldn't be here but we can't prove it. There's no record of them arriving here, there's no record of them visiting and their visit exceeding its expiration date, there's no record of anything that would allow us to take action against them.

We can ask them to go back home, or get them into a situation where it might seem to them to be in their best interests to own up and volunteer to go back home, but we can't force them to do a thing because it's impossible to prove they weren't born in the US if they claim they were.

And that's because they're undocumented.

If a fellow who doesn't speak English and is unfamiliar with our customs claims he was born in Los Angeles, we have no way of proving he wasn't because he's undocumented.

He can't prove he was born in Los Angeles? Sorry Charlie, buh-bye.

But just suspect someone of sneaking across the border and you can call him any name in the book but you can't do a thing about it.

Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but we don't have to let someone stay here simply because they managed to sneak in and ditch their ID.

Hey, it's that pesky constitution standing between you and mass deportation of undesirables. Take it up with the founding fathers.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The OP mentioned only the undocumented,

Someone sneaks over the border.....how are they documented?
How are the undocumented not here illegally?

You can't wrap your head around the big word? Undocumented means there's no evidence they're not who and what they claim to be. If a fellow who doesn't speak English and is unfamiliar with our customs claims he was born in Los Angeles, we have no way of proving he wasn't because he's undocumented.

Catch someone sneaking across the border and he's not undocumented, he's an illegal caught in the act. His arrest for being caught sneaking across the border documents his status as an illegal immigrant. But just suspect someone of sneaking across the border and you can call him any name in the book but you can't do a thing about it.

We don't have a mandatory national ID card in this country. It would solve so many problems if we did, from immigration to voting eligibility, but there are people in this country with political objections to having to acquire a national ID, establishing such a database with their personal info in it (like they aren't already in a database like that) so we're all stuck with dealing with major social problems for the lack of it.

The "illegal immigrant" tag cover two different groups of people in the country with distinct differences in status. One is the actual illegal, someone who we can document came into this country illegally by being caught at the border, or came here legally on a visa and didn't go home when they were supposed to. These people are arrested and deported as fast as we can process them.

The other group who certain people like to lump in with illegals is the many undocumented people we have in this country. We think they shouldn't be here but we can't prove it. There's no record of them arriving here, there's no record of them visiting and their visit exceeding its expiration date, there's no record of anything that would allow us to take action against them.

We can ask them to go back home, or get them into a situation where it might seem to them to be in their best interests to own up and volunteer to go back home, but we can't force them to do a thing because it's impossible to prove they weren't born in the US if they claim they were.

And that's because they're undocumented.

If a fellow who doesn't speak English and is unfamiliar with our customs claims he was born in Los Angeles, we have no way of proving he wasn't because he's undocumented.

He can't prove he was born in Los Angeles? Sorry Charlie, buh-bye.

But just suspect someone of sneaking across the border and you can call him any name in the book but you can't do a thing about it.

Sorry if it hurts your feelings, but we don't have to let someone stay here simply because they managed to sneak in and ditch their ID.

Hey, it's that pesky constitution standing between you and mass deportation of undesirables. Take it up with the founding fathers.

Can you point to the relevant section protecting non-citizen, undocumented illegal aliens from deportation?