Does Trump really have a mandate? Far less than other guys.

[Dante]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

With 99% of the vote in: Trump has 49.9% of the popular vote

I wonder what they are yapping about

 

[Meathead]

With 99% of the vote in: Trump has 49.9% of the popular vote

I wonder what they are yapping about

Every fucking swing state and the Senate.

 

[Dante]

Every fucking swing state and the Senate.

You're misinterpreting things -- as usual

carry on

 

[Meathead]

You're misinterpreting things -- as usual

carry on

They didn't every fucking swing state and the Senate?

Better set things straight because Trump is moving into the WH and Thune is already majority leader.

 

[Dante]

They didn't every fucking swing state and the Senate?

You're stuck on stupid

carry on

 

[Captain Caveman]

When Musk turned X into a cesspool of misinformation and hate speech.

Your post, irony. You Lefties are so full of bullshit, it even sloshes around in your boots -

 

[JoeB131]

Your post, irony. You Lefties are so full of bullshit, it even sloshes around in your boots -

Yet Musk wants researchers to STOP tracking hate speech on X. Not something you would do if it wasn't happening

Musk's X asks judge to penalize nonprofit researchers tracking rise of hate speech on platform

Attorneys for X Corp. and a research organization that studies online hate speech have traded arguments in court in a legal battle over the organization's reports on the increase in hate speech on the site since it was purchased by Elon Musk in 2022.

apnews.com

The organization has published several reports critical of Musk’s leadership, detailing an increase in anti-LGBTQ hate speech as well as climate misinformation since his purchase.

The center is not the only group that has pointed to the rise of hateful material on X since Musk’s purchase in October 2022. Last November, several big advertisers including IBM, NBCUniversal and its parent company Comcast, said that they stopped advertising on X after a report from the liberal advocacy group Media Matters said their ads were appearing alongside material praising Nazis. It was yet another setback as X tries to win back big brands and their ad dollars, X’s main source of revenue. X has also sued Media Matters.

Antisemitic and Anti-Muslim Hate Speech Surges Across the Internet (Published 2023)

Fueled by the conflict between Israel and Gaza and stoked by extremists, hate speech has spiked on social media platforms such as X, Facebook and Instagram, researchers said.

www.nytimes.com

Antisemitic content soared more than 919 percent on X and 28 percent on Facebook in the month since Oct. 7, according to the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish advocacy group. Anti-Muslim hate speech on X jumped 422 percent on Oct. 7 and Oct. 8, and rose 297 percent over the next five days, said the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a London-based political advocacy group.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Yet Musk wants researchers to STOP tracking hate speech on X. Not something you would do if it wasn't happening

Musk's X asks judge to penalize nonprofit researchers tracking rise of hate speech on platform

Attorneys for X Corp. and a research organization that studies online hate speech have traded arguments in court in a legal battle over the organization's reports on the increase in hate speech on the site since it was purchased by Elon Musk in 2022.

apnews.com

The organization has published several reports critical of Musk’s leadership, detailing an increase in anti-LGBTQ hate speech as well as climate misinformation since his purchase.

The center is not the only group that has pointed to the rise of hateful material on X since Musk’s purchase in October 2022. Last November, several big advertisers including IBM, NBCUniversal and its parent company Comcast, said that they stopped advertising on X after a report from the liberal advocacy group Media Matters said their ads were appearing alongside material praising Nazis. It was yet another setback as X tries to win back big brands and their ad dollars, X’s main source of revenue. X has also sued Media Matters.

Antisemitic and Anti-Muslim Hate Speech Surges Across the Internet (Published 2023)

Fueled by the conflict between Israel and Gaza and stoked by extremists, hate speech has spiked on social media platforms such as X, Facebook and Instagram, researchers said.

www.nytimes.com

Antisemitic content soared more than 919 percent on X and 28 percent on Facebook in the month since Oct. 7, according to the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish advocacy group. Anti-Muslim hate speech on X jumped 422 percent on Oct. 7 and Oct. 8, and rose 297 percent over the next five days, said the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, a London-based political advocacy group.

Also, Democrats saying transgender is normal is hate speech.

 

[JoeB131]

Also, Democrats saying transgender is normal is hate speech.

Why do you think that repeating the same interview makes your point?

Also, how are Transgenders bothering you in any way? I'm assuming you didn't pick one up in a bar when the Beer Goggles kicked in.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Why do you think that repeating the same interview makes your point?

Also, how are Transgenders bothering you in any way? I'm assuming you didn't pick one up in a bar when the Beer Goggles kicked in.

Two things.

Hate speech is wording Lefties don't like. If a Right Wing person tries it, "Democrats saying transgender is normal", you brush it off.

And as Elon says, give me the examples LIAR. Are you on X? Give me the examples you saw?

 

[JoeB131]

Two things.

Hate speech is wording Lefties don't like. If a Right Wing person tries it, "Democrats saying transgender is normal", you brush it off.

And as Elon says, give me the examples LIAR. Are you on X? Give me the examples you saw?

Well, I do brush it off, because it makes no sense.

How is accepting transgenderism "hate speech?" I don't know anyone who calls it "normal", mostly we just accept it as another state of sexual being. You look kind of silly trying to claim that it's hate speech to accept it.

Hate Speech is speech meant to harm specific individuals. Since you are (I assume) cisgender, you are not harmed by other people accepting transgender folks.

 

[hadit]

If you want to make a case that X- agency has outlived it's usefulness, by all mean, bring that up to Congress and eliminate it.

Not sure which ones have control over my life. I think in the last 10 years, the only encounters I've had with the feds are dealing with my wife's immigration paperwork. Before that, not much of anything.

Sounds like you would support eliminating the vast bulk of the agencies.

 

[22lcidw]

Well, I do brush it off, because it makes no sense.

How is accepting transgenderism "hate speech?" I don't know anyone who calls it "normal", mostly we just accept it as another state of sexual being. You look kind of silly trying to claim that it's hate speech to accept it.

Hate Speech is speech meant to harm specific individuals. Since you are (I assume) cisgender, you are not harmed by other people accepting transgender folks.

When spending trillions of dollars on the "great society" since the mid 1960'sand we have people going to sleep hungry something is wrong.

 

[daveman]

Sounds like you would support eliminating the vast bulk of the agencies.

That's blasphemy to people like Comrade Iosef.

 

[daveman]

When spending trillions of dollars on the "great society" since the mid 1960'sand we have people going to sleep hungry something is wrong.

There never was an exit strategy to the War on Poverty. It was designed to keep people dependent on government, not get them out of poverty.

 

[hadit]

When spending trillions of dollars on the "great society" since the mid 1960'sand we have people going to sleep hungry something is wrong.

And now we're locked into the mode where even proposing to do things in a different way is forbidden.