Does Obama Win if We Do Not Invade Iraq?

[lennypartiv]

McCain was a natural born US citizen born in Panama.. A lot of ignorant people in Congress claimed he was not a natural born US citizen.. Obama spent about 20 minutes explaining the law to them and how McCain was a natural born US citizen before they dropped their idiot ideas.

Dayum. We could have elected someone decent in 2008 if the election officials had declared McCain and Obama not eligible to be president.

 

[surada]

They may not have liked him. You know what else they didn't like? The U.S. running arms out of their country.

That's BS.. The Annex was a communication operation to try and identify tribes that might support a return to the Idris Constitution.. If you've read it, you'd know its enlightened. Gaddfi threw it out in 1970.

 

[Polishprince]

McCain showed class in standing up to the RW crazies who were calling Obama an Arab, Muslim, Commie….
McCain correctly said Obama was a good family man and they differed on how the country should be run

Palin threw raw meat to the RW Crazies

McCain showed "class" by caving into the Democrats are refusing to criticize Obama for his extremism, inexperience, etc. He stood no chance at all.

 

[lennypartiv]

Palin threw raw meat to the RW Crazies

Elections are won by energizing the base.

 

[rightwinger]

We wouldn’t have had dumb Don if not for O.

If Obama didn’t win in 2008, Hillary would have

Trump would have done better with an anti-Hillary campaign than he would an anti-Obama. Obama was well liked.

Trump showed that in 2016

 

[rightwinger]

McCain showed "class" by caving into the Democrats are refusing to criticize Obama for his extremism, inexperience, etc. He stood no chance at all.

OK
Which Republican in 2008 could have beaten Obama?

 

[Polishprince]

OK
Which Republican in 2008 could have beaten Obama?

Tom Tancredo was the best candidate for the GOP in 2008, but Huckabee, Keys and Palin were all more suited to schlonging Hussein than McCain was.

 

[gipper]

If Obama didn’t win in 2008, Hillary would have

Trump would have done better with an anti-Hillary campaign than he would an anti-Obama. Obama was well liked.

Trump showed that in 2016

O was a fraud. Just another fake progressive like nearly all D politicians. Entirely controlled by the oligarchy.

 

[there4eyeM]

Without the illegal Iraq invasion and resulting cataclysmic disaster, "W" would never have been re-elected, if "elected" is the term for how he got the job in the first place.

 

[gipper]

They may not have liked him. You know what else they didn't like? The U.S. running arms out of their country.

They certainly don’t like the consequences of O’s and Hill’s war on Libya.

Hill proved she’s a fucking psycho when she said “we came we saw he died hehehehe.” War criminals.

 

[gipper]

LOLOL.. The US had NOTHING to do with the Arab Spring.

What?

 

[rightwinger]

Tom Tancredo was the best candidate for the GOP in 2008, but Huckabee, Keys and Palin were all more suited to schlonging Hussein than McCain was.

Tancredo was one of the RW crazies
Huckabee and Keys were nowhere close to McCain in terms of getting out the vote as was demonstrated during the primaries

Palin was nothing till McCain pulled her out of obscurity

 

[AMart]

Obama would have won regardless, just for being clean, no negro dialect, hey thats storybook man.
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The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

"He [Reid] was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a 'light-skinned' African American"

Reid apologizes for racial remarks about Obama during campaign - CNN.com

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid apologized Saturday for making racially insensitive remarks about Barack Obama during the presidential campaign.

www.cnn.com

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Jan. 31, 2007 Joe Biden

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Top 10 Joe Biden Gaffes - TIME

Jan. 31, 2007 "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." Joe Biden,...

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[gipper]

Tancredo was one of the RW crazies
Huckabee and Keys were nowhere close to McCain in terms of getting out the vote as was demonstrated during the primaries

Palin was nothing till McCain pulled her out of obscurity

Crazy Johnny never met a war he didn’t like. If anyone was more controlled by the MIC than him, it has to be Ears. So the reality is, it didn’t matter who the American people elected in 2008. The two assholes were very much alike as in all our recent elections.

 

[rightwinger]

Obama would have won regardless, just for being clean, no negro dialect, hey thats storybook man.
"
The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

"He [Reid] was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a 'light-skinned' African American"

Reid apologizes for racial remarks about Obama during campaign - CNN.com

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid apologized Saturday for making racially insensitive remarks about Barack Obama during the presidential campaign.

www.cnn.com

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Jan. 31, 2007 Joe Biden

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Top 10 Joe Biden Gaffes - TIME

Jan. 31, 2007 "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." Joe Biden,...

content.time.com

Obama was a Rock Star in 2008, he was not going to be beaten

 

[gipper]

Obama was a Rock Star in 2008, he was not going to be beaten

And the American people got duped again by a fraudulent candidate. Repeated over and over.

 

[surada]

Dayum. We could have elected someone decent in 2008 if the election officials had declared McCain and Obama not eligible to be president.

Read the law.. Its unfortunate that some Americans are often so ignorant about the constitution and the statutes..

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United ...

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

www.law.cornell.edu

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other …

Uscode - 8 USC 1401A · Part I

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Curious about something....

If W had not invaded Iraq in a war of choice, does Obama become President? There are two main tracks that propel me to ask.

First, Obama won the DNC nomination based, in part on Hillary's yes vote on the war. Maybe he would have won anyway because, as we saw in 2016; she had a ton of baggage. Does Obama win if there is no "yes" vote? Secondly, as the war dragged on with Abu Grahib (sp?) failed nation building, terrorist attack after terrorist attack, it became less and less popular for the Bush administration. There was also the near financial collapse that lead to TARP. So did Iraq deliver the White House for Obama or would it have mattered if Clinton had won...would McCain would have prevailed against her.

Obama won by a huge margin. Hillary's vote on the war in Iraq wasn't going to affect that huge margin.

 

[gipper]

Obama was a Rock Star in 2008, he was not going to be beaten

Read the law.. Its unfortunate that some Americans are often so ignorant about the constitution and the statutes..

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United ...

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

www.law.cornell.edu

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other …

Uscode - 8 USC 1401A · Part I

Somehow some people on the left STILL think O was a good potus, ignoring the reality. These people are exactly like their opponents on the right, who foolishly think dumb Don was a good potus.

 

[candycorn]

Obama won by a huge margin. Hillary's vote on the war in Iraq wasn't going to affect that huge margin.

I tend to agree. But lets go there.

Lets say that Bush simply didn't decide to invade; there is no "yes" vote; there are no Al Queda/ISIS attacks in Iraq and elsewhere....does Obama win against McCain? Is McCain the nominee?