Zone1 Does Jesus Love Everyone? Does He Love Everyone EQUALLY?

[SweetSue92]

Would love your answers on this. Cite Bible verses if you can.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

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Yes, He does.

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[SweetSue92]

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Yes, He does.

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I agree He loves everyone.

Does He love everyone equally?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I agree He loves everyone.

Does He love everyone equally?

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I believe so.

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[SweetSue92]

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I believe so.

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Then why verses like this? To put a finer point on it: if Jesus loves all equally, why are some saved and others not?

“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.--Matthew 7:6

And He was saying to her, “Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” But she answered and *said to Him, “Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table feed on the children’s crumbs.”--Mark 7: 27,28

;You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. ;A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. ;But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. ;For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”--Matthew 12:34-27

 

[SweetSue92]

Would love your answers on this. Cite Bible verses if you can.

To reframe this. The Bible calls believers adopted sons, children of God.

Do most of you love kids? I hope so. I do, and always have.

Do you love all kids equally? Do you love neighbors' kids as much as your own?

 

[Anathema]

Would love your answers on this. Cite Bible verses if you can.

In my experience neither Jesus nor his Father give a **** about anyone. Thst has been my personal experience and likewise the experience of many others around me, whether they recognize it or not.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Then why verses like this? To put a finer point on it: if Jesus loves all equally, why are some saved and others not?

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Because not everyone wants to be saved.

You are not saved just by Jesus loving you.

You are saved by repenting of your sins and asking for forgiveness for them.

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[SweetSue92]

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Because not everyone wants to be saved.

You are not saved just by Jesus loving you.

You are saved by repenting of your sins and asking for forgiveness for them.

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I agree with this. Then we become Children of God.

Does Jesus not love His children more than unbelievers?

BTW, and this is what makes too many people think Christians are self-righteous....

For clarity, everyone, I am the dog. I am the brood of snipers, wandering in darkness. That's me. I deserve all the punishment for that. But because God is good, He saved me, having nothing to do with my own worthiness. I didn't do that. I couldn't. He can!

 

[Anathema]

Do most of you love kids? I hope so. I do, and always have.

I most certainly do not. Especially the young ones. They’re the world’s most prolific venereal disease so far as I’m concerned.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I agree with this. Then we become Children of God.

Does Jesus not love His children more than unbelievers?

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I don't think so. He just sends them to Heaven on the day of Judgment.

I love every one of my enemies, as much as I love my beloved friends in the next pew. It's what Jesus said I must do.

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[MarcATL]

I agree He loves everyone.

Does He love everyone equally?

Yes.

 

[ding]

if Jesus loves all equally, why are some saved and others not?

Because they have free will and choose to not seek God even though God drew them to Him. And when the time comes they are incapable of accepting God's love because their hearts have been hardened against God.

The Bible teaches that humans, in their natural sinful state, are inherently hostile toward God and incapable of fully accepting or understanding His love and truth on their own. This inability stems from a spiritual condition, described in scripture as being "dead in trespasses and sins".

Key verses that address this human incapacity include:

• Romans 8:7 "For the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so". This verse emphasizes that the human, or "carnal," mind is fundamentally opposed to God and cannot obey His law by its own strength.
• 1 Corinthians 2:14 "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned". This highlights a spiritual blindness and an inherent inability to grasp spiritual truths without the help of the Holy Spirit.
• Ephesians 2:1, 4-5 "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins... But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved". This passage describes humanity's natural state as one of spiritual deadness, from which only God's grace can save and enliven a person.
• John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him". This verse indicates that seeking God is not a human initiative but a response to God's prior calling or "drawing" power.
• Romans 3:10-12 "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one". This passage underlines the universal human condition of sinfulness and an innate lack of desire to seek God.

The Bible presents human capacity to receive God's love not as something earned by personal effort, but as a gift of grace received through faith, which itself is also a gift from God. When people do not accept God's love, it is a choice to reject the truth, which can lead to a hardening of the heart and separation from God.

 

[Anathema]

Because not everyone wants to be saved.

Exactly. Many of us don’t want anything to do with your God or his Heaven. I’d prefer an eternity in Hell to an instant in Heaven.

 

[ding]

Exactly. Many of us don’t want anything to do with your God or his Heaven. I’d prefer an eternity in Gell to an instant in Heaven.

Sounds like you are already there.

 

[Hafar1014]

Christians slaughtered the Gnostics persecuted Jews and Muslims for centuries. So nice to have God of peace and love.

 

[ding]

Christians slaughtered the Gnostics persecuted Jews and Muslims for centuries. So nice to have God of peace and love.

Sounds like you are becoming what you hate.

 

[SweetSue92]

Because they have free will and choose to not seek God even though God drew them to Him. And when the time comes they are incapable of accepting God's love because their hearts have been hardened against God.

The Bible teaches that humans, in their natural sinful state, are inherently hostile toward God and incapable of fully accepting or understanding His love and truth on their own. This inability stems from a spiritual condition, described in scripture as being "dead in trespasses and sins".

Key verses that address this human incapacity include:

• Romans 8:7 "For the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so". This verse emphasizes that the human, or "carnal," mind is fundamentally opposed to God and cannot obey His law by its own strength.
• 1 Corinthians 2:14 "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned". This highlights a spiritual blindness and an inherent inability to grasp spiritual truths without the help of the Holy Spirit.
• Ephesians 2:1, 4-5 "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins... But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved". This passage describes humanity's natural state as one of spiritual deadness, from which only God's grace can save and enliven a person.
• John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him". This verse indicates that seeking God is not a human initiative but a response to God's prior calling or "drawing" power.
• Romans 3:10-12 "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one". This passage underlines the universal human condition of sinfulness and an innate lack of desire to seek God.

The Bible presents human capacity to receive God's love not as something earned by personal effort, but as a gift of grace received through faith, which itself is also a gift from God. When people do not accept God's love, it is a choice to reject the truth, which can lead to a hardening of the heart and separation from God.

Yes, all of this

 

[SweetSue92]

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I don't think so. He just sends them to Heaven on the day of Judgment.

I love every one of my enemies, as much as I love my beloved friends in the next pew. It's what Jesus said I must do.

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Jesus did not love His disciples more than He loved the Pharisees?

 

[SweetSue92]

Yes.

Interesting. So Jesus loves the J6 protestors as much as He loves trans people?

Who knew?