Doctor tells Obama supporters: Go elsewhere for health care

[California Girl]

IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA

SEEK UROLOGY CARE

ELSEWHERE



CHANGES TO YOUR HEALTHCARE

BEGIN RIGHT NOW

NOT IN FOUR YEARS.


So, he is telling his own patients that had sceduled appointments with him that come in through this entrance, to their appointments, to seek their urology care elsewhere.

He IS NOT SAYING that he is going on a cash basis as some defenders of him have implied.

They can spin all they want, but that statement is him refusing care to patients that voted for Obama.

Now I wonder, can he tell if people voted for Obama by looking at them?

I see nothing that says he will refuse to treat them, I see someone who (while I don't actually agree with him) is recommending that Obama voters go elsewhere.

 

[saveliberty]

You know, I see a bunch of people that want to tell a person how to run his life and business. Whether he is wrong in his approach is debatable. What clearly is wrong is the group trying to run his life.

 

[Immanuel]

You know, I see a bunch of people that want to tell a person how to run his life and business. Whether he is wrong in his approach is debatable. What clearly is wrong is the group trying to run his life.

Don't you know, it is the Democratic way.

Immie

 

[Care4all]

FYI

Principles of Medical Ethics:

1. A physician shall be dedicated to providing competent medical care, with compassion and respect for human dignity and rights.

2. A physician shall uphold the standards of professionalism, be honest in all professional interactions, and strive to report physicians deficient in character or competence, or engaging in fraud or deception, to appropriate entities.

3. A physician shall respect the law and also recognize a responsibility to seek changes in those requirements which are contrary to the best interests of the patient.

4. A physician shall respect the rights of patients, colleagues, and other health professionals, and shall safeguard patient confidences and privacy within the constraints of the law. A physician shall continue to study, apply, and advance scientific knowledge, maintain a commitment to medical education, make relevant information available to patients, colleagues, and the public, obtain consultation, and use the talents of other health professionals when indicated.

5. A physician shall, in the provision of appropriate patient care, except in emergencies, be free to choose whom to serve, with whom to associate, and the environment in which to provide medical care.

6. A physician shall recognize a responsibility to participate in activities contributing to the improvement of the community and the betterment of public health.

7. A physician shall, while caring for a patient, regard responsibility to the patient as paramount.

8. A physician shall support access to medical care for all people.

These oaths together with the AMA Code of Ethics are what most of the public not unreasonably expects of its physicians today.

1. Service to humanity, caring for the sick, promoting good health, and last but not least alleviating pain and suffering.

2. A promise of integrity, honesty, humility, and -- above all -- compassion.

3. A realization that although harm is inevitable it must be outweighed by benefit.

4. Gender, race, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation, nationality, or social (and in some oaths by implication and in other oaths in so many words) financial standing shall not influence the physician's judgment.

5. A promise to oppose policies in breach of human rights and a promise not to participate in them. Physicians will strive to change laws that are contrary to their profession's ethics and will work toward a fairer distribution of health resources.

6. A promise to recognize mistakes in self and others, and to learn from them.

7. A statement that teaching those who come after us as well as our colleagues and learning from them as well as research leading to better patient care in the future shall have an equal standing as does patient care today.

8. This promise is made freely and without coercion.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/550118_7

 

[Immanuel]

FYI

Principles of Medical Ethics:

1. A physician shall be dedicated to providing competent medical care, with compassion and respect for human dignity and rights.

2. A physician shall uphold the standards of professionalism, be honest in all professional interactions, and strive to report physicians deficient in character or competence, or engaging in fraud or deception, to appropriate entities.

3. A physician shall respect the law and also recognize a responsibility to seek changes in those requirements which are contrary to the best interests of the patient.

4. A physician shall respect the rights of patients, colleagues, and other health professionals, and shall safeguard patient confidences and privacy within the constraints of the law. A physician shall continue to study, apply, and advance scientific knowledge, maintain a commitment to medical education, make relevant information available to patients, colleagues, and the public, obtain consultation, and use the talents of other health professionals when indicated.

5. A physician shall, in the provision of appropriate patient care, except in emergencies, be free to choose whom to serve, with whom to associate, and the environment in which to provide medical care.

6. A physician shall recognize a responsibility to participate in activities contributing to the improvement of the community and the betterment of public health.

7. A physician shall, while caring for a patient, regard responsibility to the patient as paramount.

8. A physician shall support access to medical care for all people.

These oaths together with the AMA Code of Ethics are what most of the public not unreasonably expects of its physicians today.

1. Service to humanity, caring for the sick, promoting good health, and last but not least alleviating pain and suffering.

2. A promise of integrity, honesty, humility, and -- above all -- compassion.

3. A realization that although harm is inevitable it must be outweighed by benefit.

4. Gender, race, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation, nationality, or social (and in some oaths by implication and in other oaths in so many words) financial standing shall not influence the physician's judgment.

5. A promise to oppose policies in breach of human rights and a promise not to participate in them. Physicians will strive to change laws that are contrary to their profession's ethics and will work toward a fairer distribution of health resources.

6. A promise to recognize mistakes in self and others, and to learn from them.

7. A statement that teaching those who come after us as well as our colleagues and learning from them as well as research leading to better patient care in the future shall have an equal standing as does patient care today.

8. This promise is made freely and without coercion.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/550118_7

Do you think spamming that will change anyone's opinion?

I highly doubt it.

Immie

 

[Care4all]

FYI

Principles of Medical Ethics:

1. A physician shall be dedicated to providing competent medical care, with compassion and respect for human dignity and rights.

2. A physician shall uphold the standards of professionalism, be honest in all professional interactions, and strive to report physicians deficient in character or competence, or engaging in fraud or deception, to appropriate entities.

3. A physician shall respect the law and also recognize a responsibility to seek changes in those requirements which are contrary to the best interests of the patient.

4. A physician shall respect the rights of patients, colleagues, and other health professionals, and shall safeguard patient confidences and privacy within the constraints of the law. A physician shall continue to study, apply, and advance scientific knowledge, maintain a commitment to medical education, make relevant information available to patients, colleagues, and the public, obtain consultation, and use the talents of other health professionals when indicated.

5. A physician shall, in the provision of appropriate patient care, except in emergencies, be free to choose whom to serve, with whom to associate, and the environment in which to provide medical care.

6. A physician shall recognize a responsibility to participate in activities contributing to the improvement of the community and the betterment of public health.

7. A physician shall, while caring for a patient, regard responsibility to the patient as paramount.

8. A physician shall support access to medical care for all people.

These oaths together with the AMA Code of Ethics are what most of the public not unreasonably expects of its physicians today.

1. Service to humanity, caring for the sick, promoting good health, and last but not least alleviating pain and suffering.

2. A promise of integrity, honesty, humility, and -- above all -- compassion.

3. A realization that although harm is inevitable it must be outweighed by benefit.

4. Gender, race, religion, political affiliation, sexual orientation, nationality, or social (and in some oaths by implication and in other oaths in so many words) financial standing shall not influence the physician's judgment.

5. A promise to oppose policies in breach of human rights and a promise not to participate in them. Physicians will strive to change laws that are contrary to their profession's ethics and will work toward a fairer distribution of health resources.

6. A promise to recognize mistakes in self and others, and to learn from them.

7. A statement that teaching those who come after us as well as our colleagues and learning from them as well as research leading to better patient care in the future shall have an equal standing as does patient care today.

8. This promise is made freely and without coercion.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/550118_7

Do you think spamming that will change anyone's opinion?

I highly doubt it.

Immie

if they had any kind of a brain and could think for themselves instead of just taking their own partisan side and fight like hell, right or wrong for it, THEY WOULD. :

 

[Immanuel]

FYI

These oaths together with the AMA Code of Ethics are what most of the public not unreasonably expects of its physicians today.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/550118_7

Do you think spamming that will change anyone's opinion?

I highly doubt it.

Immie

if they had any kind of a brain and could think for themselves instead of just taking their own partisan side and fight like hell, right or wrong for it, THEY WOULD. :

Brainless Partisan? You fit the bill to a T.

Immie

 

[uscitizen]

You know, I see a bunch of people that want to tell a person how to run his life and business. Whether he is wrong in his approach is debatable. What clearly is wrong is the group trying to run his life.

So he did not agree to the AMA code of ethics when he bacame a DR?

Strange.... a right winger not wanting a group trying to run his life....

 

[Coyote]

IF YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA

SEEK UROLOGY CARE

ELSEWHERE



CHANGES TO YOUR HEALTHCARE

BEGIN RIGHT NOW

NOT IN FOUR YEARS.


So, he is telling his own patients that had sceduled appointments with him that come in through this entrance, to their appointments, to seek their urology care elsewhere.

He IS NOT SAYING that he is going on a cash basis as some defenders of him have implied.

They can spin all they want, but that statement is him refusing care to patients that voted for Obama.

Now I wonder, can he tell if people voted for Obama by looking at them?

I see nothing that says he will refuse to treat them, I see someone who (while I don't actually agree with him) is recommending that Obama voters go elsewhere.

If you voted for Obama....and you saw that sign...would you not feel unwanted or question the quality of your treatment if you stayed? Seriously now - the implication is clear - while he may treat them, he does not desire to.

Should doctors be thus Cali?

 

[Coyote]

Doctors can have political views and be against certain bills...but should they take it out on their patients?

Is that professional?

Is that ethical?

Either way - no matter who I voted for, I would take my business elsewhere rather than see a group marginalized for their political beliefs.

 

[Care4all]

Do you think spamming that will change anyone's opinion?

I highly doubt it.

Immie

if they had any kind of a brain and could think for themselves instead of just taking their own partisan side and fight like hell, right or wrong for it, THEY WOULD. :

Brainless Partisan? You fit the bill to a T.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

Doctors can have political views and be against certain bills...but should they take it out on their patients?

Is that professional?

Is that ethical?

Either way - no matter who I voted for, I would take my business elsewhere rather than see a group marginalized for their political beliefs.

He's not taking it out on his patients. The minute you show me that he has turned one single patient away who went through that door or even asked them to sign a document stating they did not support Obama or HCR, I will agree with you. Note: I've been asking people in the other thread to show that for a day and a half now, not one has been able to do so. Edit: whoops, it is this thread I have been asking it in.

He's making a statement to Congress, Obama and the country in general about HCR. Problem is... they aren't listening.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

if they had any kind of a brain and could think for themselves instead of just taking their own partisan side and fight like hell, right or wrong for it, THEY WOULD. :

Brainless Partisan? You fit the bill to a T.

Immie

What you thought you could call me a brainless partisan and not get a reply?

Immie

 

[SFC Ollie]

Doctors can have political views and be against certain bills...but should they take it out on their patients?

Is that professional?

Is that ethical?

Either way - no matter who I voted for, I would take my business elsewhere rather than see a group marginalized for their political beliefs.

He's not taking it out on his patients. The minute you show me that he has turned one single patient away who went through that door or even asked them to sign a document stating they did not support Obama or HCR, I will agree with you. Note: I've been asking people in the other thread to show that for a day and a half now, not one has been able to do so.

He's making a statement to Congress, Obama and the country in general about HCR. Problem is... they aren't listening.

Immie

And they won't listen until they realize that the shortage of Doctors has gotten critical.

 

[Ravi]

Doctors can have political views and be against certain bills...but should they take it out on their patients?

Is that professional?

Is that ethical?

Either way - no matter who I voted for, I would take my business elsewhere rather than see a group marginalized for their political beliefs.

He's not taking it out on his patients. The minute you show me that he has turned one single patient away who went through that door or even asked them to sign a document stating they did not support Obama or HCR, I will agree with you. Note: I've been asking people in the other thread to show that for a day and a half now, not one has been able to do so.

He's making a statement to Congress, Obama and the country in general about HCR. Problem is... they aren't listening.

Immie

And they won't listen until they realize that the shortage of Doctors has gotten critical.

This is where the talking points collide. There can't be both a shortage of doctors and financial harm to a practicing doctor.

 

[Care4all]

they created the shortage as well....i was reading an article that said doctors/ama/ other related groups estimated that there would be an overage of 160,000 doctors by the year 2000.... boy were they wrong! the article said because they cut back doctors allowed in medical school to combat the projected overage, it made the actual shortage worse....

and that this in turn made doctor's PAY GO UP.....very lucrative for doctors!

 

[uscitizen]

We should have cut back on Lawyers and politicians instead

 

[Coyote]

Doctors can have political views and be against certain bills...but should they take it out on their patients?

Is that professional?

Is that ethical?

Either way - no matter who I voted for, I would take my business elsewhere rather than see a group marginalized for their political beliefs.

He's not taking it out on his patients. The minute you show me that he has turned one single patient away who went through that door or even asked them to sign a document stating they did not support Obama or HCR, I will agree with you. Note: I've been asking people in the other thread to show that for a day and a half now, not one has been able to do so.

Don't you think posting that sign is enough? If you were someone who had voted for Obama....would you not feel dismayed and unwelcome?

He's making a statement to Congress, Obama and the country in general about HCR. Problem is... they aren't listening.


Immie

And they won't listen until they realize that the shortage of Doctors has gotten critical.

[/quote]

That is because his statement is directed at the people walking into his office.

I'm sorry...I don't agree. I think some professions should be above politics. If he wants to make a statement - he can write to congressmen, write to president, write letters to the news paper, start political actions.

Another thing is this shortage of doctors. There has been a chronic shortage of doctors for some time now and it has nothing to do with Obama's bill. In fact, it can't even accurately be called a "doctor shortage" because it's a shortage of GP's. There are plenty of specialists - specialists earn far more money then GP's hence medical students are more likely to go into those more lucrative fields.

 

[saveliberty]

This is where the talking points collide. There can't be both a shortage of doctors and financial harm to a practicing doctor.

Well that is the beauty of government involvement Ravi. Government can use a reimbursement reduction to both cause reduced income for doctors and drive them away from the profession at the same time. Ravi, I know your smarter than that. Tired? Busy?

 

[Ravi]

This is where the talking points collide. There can't be both a shortage of doctors and financial harm to a practicing doctor.

Well that is the beauty of government involvement Ravi. Government can use a reimbursement reduction to both cause reduced income for doctors and drive them away from the profession at the same time. Ravi, I know your smarter than that. Tired? Busy?

Nope, just not paranoid. Sorry you are.