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Do you think Russia attacked our democracy to steal the 2016 election in favor of Trump?

Care4all

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Trump carried 30 states! He was President! That's something Hillary will never be, and she lost states Obama won in 08 and 12 that indicates Democrats voted for Trump!
And Biden won all those states back in 2020, that Trump had unexpectantly won from Hillary in 2016!
 

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Just $ 1.25 million a month is enough to steal a US election, but knowing Russian realities, most of that $ 1.25 million would have been stolen by high-ranking officials from this supposedly "troll farm." Thus, a group of students, adding their monthly scholarship, could steal the US elections.
I've never claimed that it was, or was not enough. That's not really possible to measure.

But between illegal electioneering and hacking campaigns Russia was clearly interfering in 2016 election to try to get Trump elected.
 
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You know, because he's "Putin's lapdog" and stuff like that to make one feel better?

Foreigners interfere with elections all the time. Happened since before we were born and the left gave us the internet. We do the same thing. The same was done for Clintons, Obama, Biden.

Speak of internet, compare and contrast "Russian influences" to daily left run most information, which is really misinformation. And there's always this.......

No

Russia did what all nations including us, at every major election.
 

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Russia did what all nations including us, at every major election.
It's the first time In history we have ever had an American presidential candidate and his campaign team, to openly accept and encourage foreign interference in our presidential elections and defend and support that foreign country's President's involvement.
 

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It's the first time In history we have ever had an American presidential candidate and his campaign team, to openly accept and encourage foreign interference in our presidential elections and defend and support that foreign country's President's involvement.
Are you sure Hillary seeking and paying for Russian Disinformation was the first time?
 

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AANND?

Steele was subcontracted by a lawfirm that was contracted by Clinton campaign to conduct opposition research. He worked with his long time connections in Russia, not government operatives.

You trying to claim that this proves that Clinton campaign somehow saught co-operation from Russian government is straight stupid. Just as it would be really stupid for Putin to shit on his own interests by feeding deregatory info for the dossier.
 
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She paid for opposition research on Trump with the investigators hired by the Washington Free Beacon to get opposition research on Trump. When the free beacon ended their research for trump, because their candidate lost the primary to Trump, the investigator, Fusion GPS, approached the DNC law firm, to see if the DNC or Clinton wanted to continue the opposition research they had started.

The DNC lawyer said yes....

CLINTON and the DNC never sought Russian help, nor was approached with Russian or Putin help, nor paid any Russians for help.

They paid fusion gps for research, just like the Washington Free Beacon paid for opposition research on Trump from fusion gps.

She nor the DNC Lawyer hired or picked Christopher Steele to do the research, the DNC hired fusion GPS..... GPS hired their own choices on who to do the legwork for their own investigation.

Details and FACTS matter!
 

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She paid for opposition research on Trump with the investigators hired by the Washington Free Beacon to get opposition research on Trump. When the free beacon ended their research for trump, because their candidate lost the primary to Trump, the investigator, Fusion GPS, approached the DNC law firm, to see if the DNC or Clinton wanted to continue the opposition research they had started.

The DNC lawyer said yes....

CLINTON and the DNC never sought Russian help, nor was approached with Russian or Putin help, nor paid any Russians for help.

They paid fusion gps for research, just like the Washington Free Beacon paid for opposition research on Trump from fusion gps.

She nor the DNC Lawyer hired or picked Christopher Steele to do the research, the DNC hired fusion GPS..... GPS hired their own choices on who to do the legwork for their own investigation.

Details and FACTS matter!
Details eh?

How bout this little detail...

RUSSIAN DOSSIER and its source was via a FOREIGN AGENT. And it was complete bullshit but you people parroted it for YEARS
 

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Details eh?

How bout this little detail...

RUSSIAN DOSSIER and its source was via a FOREIGN AGENT. And it was complete bullshit but you people parroted it for YEARS

Dossier was put togather by former British Intelligence operative named Steele, who has been working on Russia intelligence for decades.

You heard something somewhere and keep repeating it while having little to no understanding wtf you are even talking about.
 

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Dossier was put togather by former British Intelligence operative named Steele, who has been working on Russia intelligence for decades.

You heard something somewhere and keep repeating it while having little to no understanding wtf you are even talking about.
LITERALLY NOTHING I said was inaccurate ya moron. I never mentioned his nationality jackass.
 
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LITERALLY NOTHING I said was inaccurate ya moron. I never mentioned his nationality jackass.

You said it was "RUSSIAN DOSSIER", that is literally bullshit.

Dossier was by Steele, a former British Intelligence operative.
 

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You said it was "RUSSIAN DOSSIER", that is literally bullshit.

Dossier was by Steele, a former British Intelligence operative.
Every news outlet on the fucking planet calls it that. Take it up with them ya moron.
 

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Every news outlet on the fucking planet calls it that. Take it up with them ya moron.
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No dummy, they don't call it RUSSIAN DOSIER, meaning a Dossier BY Russians.

They sometimes called it RUSSIA DOSSIER, meaning a Dossier ABOUT Russians.

 

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No dummy, they don't call it RUSSIAN DOSIER, meaning a Dossier BY Russians.

They sometimes called it RUSSIA DOSSIER, meaning a Dossier ABOUT Russians.

Lololololololol

They don't sometimes call it that, they EXCLUSIVELY call it that.

Take your word games and go play in the street with the rest of the stupid kids.
 

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Lololololololol

They don't sometimes call it that, they EXCLUSIVELY call it that.

Take your word games and go play in the street with the rest of the stupid kids.

Wrong, wrong again. Dossier was refered to as "Dossier', "Steele Dossier", "Trump Russia Dossier"


And these are not word games, all these references to this dossier MEAN that Dossier is ABOUT Russia, while you are the one confusing it to mean that it was somehow BY Russia.

So take your "lololols" and shove them you know where.
 

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Foreigners interfere with elections all the time.
Putin covertly interfered, in Russia's interests, in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to hurt Clinton and help Trump.

That reality was confirmed by two Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committees, the illegal activities having been exposed by the FBI, NSA, and CIA.

Is an undocumented "Everybody does it!" a defense?

No, of course not.

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Has the Cry Baby Loser exceeded hopes that he would befoul democracy? Clearly.
 

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