Do you believe that we are now or will soon be overpopulated?

[Kruska]

It is this one. Birth rates are plummeting all over the world. Even in the third world.

Yet the world population is still rising

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[westwall]

Yet the world population is still rising

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But much slower. Demographers calculate we will hit about 10 billion, then drop back to around 6 billion if current trends continue. The third world used to have a birth rate of over 3 to one, births to deaths, that is now less than 2. The first world nations are all at well below replacement rate.

 

[Kruska]

But much slower. Demographers calculate we will hit about 10 billion, then drop back to around 6 billion if current trends continue. The third world used to have a birth rate of over 3 to one, births to deaths, that is now less than 2. The first world nations are all at well below replacement rate.

Birthrates are factually declining at present and the past years - but overall population is still rising. At the present rate it is calculated that the worlds population will only double in the next 100 years. Not going down to e.g. 6 Billion.

 

[westwall]

Birthrates are factually declining at present and the past years - but overall population is still rising. At the present rate it is calculated that the worlds population will only double in the next 100 years. Not going down to e.g. 6 Billion.

Do you have a link to a demographic study supporting that?

 

[Correll]

Did you hear Bill Maher this weekend? OMG he nailed it.

Late night host Bill Maher urged young men who are struggling with women to look inward and address the underlying causes of their situation, while also acknowledging that they were "born in a society that said just being male was toxic."

During Friday's episode of "Real Time," Maher argued that while some of today's most notable female pop stars are "practically screaming that they can't get no satisfaction," the problem all women are facing is that "they're living in a world full of guys who are afraid to even make eye contact without an NDA."

"You were born in a society that said just being male was toxic. And in a world where everything you said was mansplaining and everything you did was an eye roll and merely approaching a woman could get you canceled, it got very easy for men to just give up."

He added that when men eventually gave up on pursuing women due to societal pressures, platforms like "Pornhub and Tinder and OnlyFans were right there to take up the slack."

"Thing is, the technology changed — women didn't," Maher asserted. "They still want eye contact and face-to-face conversation, and also a pair of balls would be nice."

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24% of men 22-34 have had zero sex in the last year

Sex recession

44% of Gen Z have no relationship with women during their teen years.

45% of men 18-25 have never approached a woman in person.

A very balanced and nuanced analysis.


The standard reply, that even JORDAN PETERSON fell into, when hearing about this problem, especially if the word INCEL is used, is to dismiss all complaints about "societal pressures" and to tell young men that they are the problem and they need to "do better".

But that is not right. It certainly isn't convincing, when the societal aspect of the problem is so clearly ******* REAL.

As Bill said, we have to face BOTH parts of the issue, to have any chance of making progress.

Yes, men, competing for women, do have to work to improve themselves, and make themselves more attractive to potential mates.


BUT, the problems in society that are warping the playing field, need to be addressed too

And that might include WOMEN taking some criticism and changing their behavior TOO.

 

[Correll]

Yep.

WHEN.

And not BEFORE.

OR, we could choose to just have a smaller population and remain AMERICA, instead of being absorbed into the shitty third world.

The places that are stil producing surplus populations are not anyplace we want to be more like.

 

[Kruska]

Do you have a link to a demographic study supporting that?

My mistake it's says 200 years to double - the quote in in the link I previously posted, under -past-present-future

 

[westwall]

My mistake it's says 200 years to double - the quote in in the link I previously posted, under -past-present-future

I think that's a very old estimate. China's population halves in 25 years. India's remains stable. Most of Africa remains stable trending down, pretty much all first world countries are showing negative growth.

So yes, the population is still increasing, but at a much reduced rate.

 

[Correll]

My mistake it's says 200 years to double - the quote in in the link I previously posted, under -past-present-future

I think your numbers are out of date.

Current projections, with data on the declining birthrates predict peak population of 10 billion in 2080.

HOw ever, that population will be a lot older than the current population with a low birth rate, barring changes.

THus, the population will then start to decline.

Also, most of that growth will be in AFRICA. The rest of the world will see leveling, or dropping populations.

AND, Those numbers might be old too. We've been getting a LOT of revisions from china. And even the revisions are not trustworthy.

 

[citygator]

Bringing back a 10 year old thread with an INCEL rant from Bill Maher post is a pretty big swing.

 

[Correll]

Bringing back a 10 year old thread with an INCEL rant from Bill Maher post is a pretty big swing.

1. It's an ongoing issue. Two of them, related in fact.

2. Sealybobo's post was based on a more recent comment from a big influencer. Seems legit.

3. YOu just exhibted one of the behaviors, I commented on. The word incel was mentioned, and you turned off your brain. These are real issues, effects whole generations of people and you are trying to shut down discussion on them.

Raises the question of WHY.

 

[Kruska]

I think that's a very old estimate. China's population halves in 25 years. India's remains stable. Most of Africa remains stable trending down, pretty much all first world countries are showing negative growth.

So yes, the population is still increasing, but at a much reduced rate.

The figures and estimates aren't old - they are factually constantly updated.

Aside "conspiracy theories" regarding China's population - The present population is calculated/expected by the CPC to decline to around 1.15 billion by 2060 at the present birthrate. Numbers after that I think are presently only a pure guess, or simply based on the expected demographic data from 2060.

India however still has a 3times higher birthrate then China, and more then half is under 30 - so India's population can easily reach 1.8 billion by 2060. Indonesia is projected at 330 million by 2060, and the USA at around 415 million.

The only place that is presently "on a visual population decline" is China & Europe, with a further sharp decline for Europe till 2100.

 

[80zephyr]

What planet would that be on, since it isn't this one?

When I was a kid, we passed 6 billion on Earth. What is it now? 8.3 billion?

The worldwide fertility rate is 2.24 We need at least a 2.3 to maintain population. Most countries are way below 2.3 And the ones that are above, mostly in Africa, are seeing their birthrates plummet as well.

World Population Projections - Worldometer

Population growth estimates from the current year up to 2100 for the entire population of the world

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[80zephyr]

Yet the world population is still rising

World Population Clock: 8.3 Billion People (LIVE, 2026) - Worldometer

How many people are there in the world? World population has reached 8 billion on November 15, 2022 according to the United Nations. World population live counter with data sheets, graphs, maps, and census data regarding the current, historical, and future world population figures, estimates...

www.worldometers.info

Sure. Because the birth rate is still higher than the death rate. Until it won't be.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The worldwide fertility rate is 2.24 We need at least a 2.3 to maintain population. Most countries are way below 2.3 And the ones that are above, mostly in Africa, are seeing their birthrates plummet as well.

World Population Projections - Worldometer

Population growth estimates from the current year up to 2100 for the entire population of the world

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Where are your stats on population? The rest of the world makes up for it. Tell me when the population of the earth drops below 6 trillion that were here when I was a kid. Until then, I won't worry.

You don't understand the topic at all, Chicken Little.

 

[80zephyr]

Where are your stats on population? The rest of the world makes up for it. Tell me when the population of the earth drops below 6 trillion that were here when I was a kid. Until then, I won't worry.

You don't understand the topic at all, Chicken Little.

Math is your friend. Use it. How does the "rest of the world" make up for it when the fertility rate on earth is 2.24, while we need a rate of 2.3 to be stabile?

 

[sealybobo]

A very balanced and nuanced analysis.


The standard reply, that even JORDAN PETERSON fell into, when hearing about this problem, especially if the word INCEL is used, is to dismiss all complaints about "societal pressures" and to tell young men that they are the problem and they need to "do better".

But that is not right. It certainly isn't convincing, when the societal aspect of the problem is so clearly ******* REAL.

As Bill said, we have to face BOTH parts of the issue, to have any chance of making progress.

Yes, men, competing for women, do have to work to improve themselves, and make themselves more attractive to potential mates.


BUT, the problems in society that are warping the playing field, need to be addressed too

And that might include WOMEN taking some criticism and changing their behavior TOO.

I was watching a horrible sitcom yesterday based in Texas and it reminded me of this topic. Look at the little twink man this woman is married to. She's a weekend weather girl and he's a struggling car mechanic shop owner. A goober. A hick with a thick accent. He's jealous of her. Doesn't seem very manly to me.

Georgie & Mandy's First Marriage

From the title it seems like this isn't going to last.

Look what CBS is giving us. Almost reminds me of Will and Grace.

 

[rightwinger]

Where are your stats on population? The rest of the world makes up for it. Tell me when the population of the earth drops below 6 trillion that were here when I was a kid. Until then, I won't worry.

You don't understand the topic at all, Chicken Little.

6 trillion?
Where did they all go?

 

[Slyhunter]

Muslims are breeding like Rabbits.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Math is your friend. Use it. How does the "rest of the world" make up for it when the fertility rate on earth is 2.24, while we need a rate of 2.3 to be stabile?

When was the last time that figure was calculated, where did you get it, who calculated it and how was it determined?