Do you believe that the Internet should be a free speech Platform?

[MinTrut]

Do you know why the government used to confront monopolies? To ensure that citizens didn't become powerless as we are in most of the world. Google, youtube, FB and twitter are the modern day oil tycoons from yesteryear. Instead, government harnesses them for power today rather than directing them to allow free speech.

Pretty much.

Instead of enforcing existing privately owned public space speech rights, the goobers are doing the opposite of this - demanding - or insidiously * suggesting * censorship.

 

[SeaMajor7]

The internet (Facebook) has been used to facilitate genocide (Miramar)

It was used to co-ordinate Jan6

It was used to spread false narratives about COVID

You see that as good things?

The internet is used by YOU to spout BULLSHIT EVERY DAY, how's that any different?

 

[MinTrut]

The government doesn't have to direct them to "allow free speech" because they are NOT the government.

Actually, they do.

The government "harnesses them for power today".... well, the whole US system is corrupt. Nobody seems interested in changing this.

Yup.

People come on here whining and moaning about something because they don't understand what it is

Ironic.

and then don't complain about something they SHOULD because they're equally ignorant.

That's how "democracy" works.

You need to better understand free speech rights.

 

[MinTrut]

Do you not believe in equity? Equity for Republicans?

Should they not get an equal say on any platform based in the US?

The left is the most silenced group, so it's not an equity issue.

The neo-liberal/conservative DeepSwamp pushes certain narratives via SM, and challenges are too often erased.

 

[MinTrut]

So we are arguing for government control of private companies? LOL

Nope.

Just government enforcement of existing POPS (privately owned public space) laws.

The goobs are doing the OPPOSITE of what they should be doing.

 

[MinTrut]

So if a Democrat writes a post, a Republican has to reply before another Democrat can write a post or what????

Ridiculous straw man.

The goobs need to enforce POPS law rather than pushing for SMC (social media companies) to break it.

 

[pknopp]

Nope.

Just government enforcement of existing POPS (privately owned public space) laws.

The goobs are doing the OPPOSITE of what they should be doing.

Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth. LOL

Privately owned public space? LOL

 

[Lesh]

The internet is used by YOU to spout BULLSHIT EVERY DAY, how's that any different?

So you would censor me but not posts advocating genocide

Interesting

 

[MinTrut]

So if you put a website on the internet anyone can write anything?

Free speech has known limits.

 

[MinTrut]

I don't very many wish to ban or censor opinions on the internet, I sure don't. On the other hand, lies masquerading as facts, should be banned. It may not be easy or pretty but it is worth trying.

Incredibly disappointing.

 

[MinTrut]

The Internet is just a free market place for people to promote their lies and fake news.... drowning out truth and facts.

Buyer Beware! Know what you are dealing with, and you'll be fine....go down the rabbit hole? Not so much.

Laws exist to protect speech in POPS - they need to be enforced.

 

[MinTrut]

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Mr Z's bought every last camera around him since this day.....~S~

LOL!

 

[SeaMajor7]

So you would censor me but not posts advocating genocide

Interesting

No, of course not!
You are free to make an ass of yourself all you want!!!
Have at it!
The problem arises when one group of people deems themselves arbiters of "truth", and proceeds to BLOCK SPEECH.
This ain't rocket science, it's the AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL 1ST AMENDMENT!!!!!

 

[MinTrut]

The internet (Facebook) has been used to facilitate genocide (Miramar)

It was used to co-ordinate Jan6

It was used to spread false narratives about COVID

You see that as good things?

Free speech has known limits.

But I agree that government lies about Covid were despicable.

Protected speech in many/most cases however, though legal remedy can attach in some situations.

 

[MinTrut]

Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth. LOL

Don't do that!

Privately owned public space? LOL

POPS, yes.

 

[MinTrut]

So you would censor me but not posts advocating genocide

Interesting

Straw man.

 

[Father O'Blivion]

Before 2020 people like David Duke and Andrew Tate, Robert Spencer, and others were allowed to provide their messages. Often they were mocked, laughed at or disagreed with. Everything was fine. The world was a safer place. The economy was better. Fast forward to 2020 and political platforms like YouTube, Instagram and Twitter banned these types of figures under the guise of “hate speech.”

The Democrats and neocons will say well that’s a businesses decision. Of course they are intentionally trolling or they simply don’t know any better that these social media platforms play pivotal roles when it comes to the election. Just look at Taylor Swift another powerful figures using social media, to tell people to support abortion and get out and vote which is her right. So you could either support freedom or under some evil deranged or misinformed guy say “well it’s just a business decision Taylor Swift should be banned.”





And that’s the difference between an American patriot and Biden BLM supporter. The American patriot says let’s allow BLM to go on YouTube and say white people are born privileged. To say that the white man is evil. But the Biden BLM supporter will turn around and say no the business can do what they want, and they can even affect the outcome of elections by banning certain figures from their platforms.

It’s all the more interesting because here in 2023 We have a terrible economy, super high inflation under Joe Biden. Out of control illegal immigration and crime throughout the country. To think that Biden supporters and supporters of restrictions of free-speech will go along with that stuff while they are poor, using drugs all the time, obese, or severely underweight, is all the more interesting and astonishing really.

But things are perhaps being taken to a new level. With the idea of further encroachments of free speech in countries like England, Canada and America, where the proposals are to silence, fine and even imprison people who for example, engage in “vaccine disinformation.” in other words simply disagreeing with What a politician say. A clear cut infringement of free speech.

Biden BLM supporters may have already made up their minds along with the neoconservatives. After all they’re the same people who approves of totalitarian shut down of free speech on social media of conservatives in 2020 ….so why wouldn’t they say that somebody who engages in vaccine disinformation should be thrown in jail or fined $1-10 million dollars.


What will be the future of the Internet be in America. Will freedom prevail.???? Will the founding fathers prevail. How about the legacy of The men and women who fought in World War II for freedom…. I think that freedom will prevail and the bad guys will lose.

Does this board have TOS?

What would it be like with out them?

 

[Blues Man]

The Internet yes

BUT private companies that host a platform cannot violate anyone's first amendment rights.

YOU as an individual or a group of individuals are perfectly free to post a blog or host a website where you can all say whatever the fuck you want.

The stupidity here is that people think that the 1st Amendment not only guarantees them a venue for which to exercise their rights but also an audience.

 

[22lcidw]

So who is going to "secure" it?

We have Homeland Security and the Patriot Act that makes people criminals if they desire to. There is nothing wrong with putting some rules of civility on the internet. And what it means is that the person sounding loud does not have to be broadcast to the world. Humans bloviate. So, the threads or statements are contained even if they exist for responses. We have destroyed people in this woke environment for simple statements. We have government entities who squash civilians and even work with the private side to shame them for complaints or feeling the violation of their rights. And there is no shortage of private side employees who will genuflect to government concerns as the empowered can convince them that those who question things are just no good.

 

[MinTrut]

Does this board have TOS?

Yes.

What would it be like with out them?

Far more disgusting I'm sure.

But forums like this are not the entities we're speaking of.