JD Vance on free speech

[martybegan]

Already addressed.

And countered by me.

 

[Marener]

And countered by me.

It’s not a counter since my argument doesn’t even require they be considered journalists.

Trump was invited to 60 minutes and backed out. You can’t make an equal air time claim.

 

[martybegan]

It’s not a counter since my argument doesn’t even require they be considered journalists.

Trump was invited to 60 minutes and backed out. You can’t make an equal air time claim.

And yet you predicate all this on journalism, and ignore the medium.

And unless they got someone who would be voting for Trump to do the interview, it wouldn't be equivalent.

And I guarantee they would have edited any Trump interview to make him look worse.

 

[Marener]

And yet you predicate all this on journalism, and ignore the medium.

And unless they got someone who would be voting for Trump to do the interview, it wouldn't be equivalent.

And I guarantee they would have edited any Trump interview to make him look worse.

Except it's not all predicated on journalism.

Even if you don’t want to consider them journalists, 60 Minutes offered an interview with Trump and he declined.

Since Trump backed out, we will never know. Either way, it's going to stop him from getting anywhere in court with this very bad argument. I don't think Trump is making that argument in court. He's making some bizarre argument about monetary loss from Truth Social which makes absolutely no sense, but he's shopped for a hack judge who doesn't care.

 

[martybegan]

Except it's not all predicated on journalism.



Since Trump backed out, we will never know. Either way, it's going to stop him from getting anywhere in court with this very bad argument. I don't think Trump is making that argument in court. He's making some bizarre argument about monetary loss from Truth Social which makes absolutely no sense, but he's shopped for a hack judge who doesn't care.

Oh, we know.

Stop pretending the people at 60 minutes weren't 99.9999% voting for Harris, and wanted to do anything they could to help her win.

People don't believe the neutrality bullshit anymore from the MSM.

 

[Marener]

Oh, we know.

Stop pretending the people at 60 minutes weren't 99.9999% voting for Harris, and wanted to do anything they could to help her win.

People don't believe the neutrality bullshit anymore from the MSM.

We don’t have to. There’s no law against having political opinions.

At least until the fascists take over, like Musk.

 

[martybegan]

We don’t have to. There’s no law against having political opinions.

At least until the fascists take over, like Musk.

There are laws against providing in kind campaign contributions such as a rigged interview.

Let the courts figure it out.

 

[Marener]

There are laws against providing in kind campaign contributions such as a rigged interview.

Let the courts figure it out.

Speech isn’t and can’t be considered a campaign contribution.

It would be insane to consider it a campaign contribution.

 

[martybegan]

Speech isn’t and can’t be considered a campaign contribution.

It would be insane to consider it a campaign contribution.

The act of editing and broadcasting adds the contributing issue.

 

[Marener]

The act of editing and broadcasting adds the contributing issue.

It doesn't since editing and broadcasting is still speech.

 

[martybegan]

It doesn't since editing and broadcasting is still speech.

No, those are acts. They are transmitting speech, but this wasn't their speech, it was their actions advocating for one candidate over the other without being open about it.

 

[Delldude]

Germany's law on speech is none of Vance's business.

As an Allie it is. Are we going be in bed with fascists?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Germany's law on speech is none of Vance's business.

Yet, they think our freedom is their business. Free speech is an anathema to the WEF/EU. We are a bête noire to tyranny.
If free speech led to the holocaust, as Germany insists, we have had free speech since our inception. Where are our ovens?

 

[M14 Shooter]

If free speech leads to the holocaust, as Germany insists, we have had free speech since our inception. Where are our ovens?

The part they do not say out loud:
This says much more about the nature of Europeans than it does free speech.

 

[pknopp]

Yet, they think our freedom is their business. Free speech is an anathema to the WEF/EU. We are a bête noire to tyranny.
If free speech led to the holocaust, as Germany insists, we have had free speech since our inception. Where are our ovens?

I say there laws are none of our business and you try and equate that with me saying I agree with them.

A cheap and dishonest reply.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Nothing dishonest about it. You gave your opinion and I gave mine. I didn't even mention you. My post referred to Germany, as the post says, not you. You seem sensitive.
But we can make it about you. Did you see the moron crying over how truly horrible free speech is? That free speech causes things like the German Holocaust? What do you think? Is he right about that?
That German politician did say one thing that was true. It is evident that our core values don't mesh anymore. We know what caused the holocaust. And we can talk about it on social media without the Gestapo showing up at our door.

 

[gipper]

Anyone advocating controlling speech should be roundly criticized. She’s speaking for the elite.

 

[skye]

Germany's law on speech is none of Vance's business.

Yes it is!

 

[Luckyone]

‘This is Orwellian’: JD Vance EXPOSES Germany's strict laws on free speech | Blaze Media

Vice President JD Vance isn’t afraid of ruffling any feathers, and he made this clear when he condemned Europe for its growing censorship laws. “Insulting someone is not a crime, and criminalizing speech is going to put real strain on European-U.S. relationships,” Vance posted on X. “This is...

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Does free speech lead to dictatorship as the Left is trying to convince people today?

Vice President JD Vance isn’t afraid of ruffling any feathers, and he made this clear when he condemned Europe for its growing censorship laws.

“Insulting someone is not a crime, and criminalizing speech is going to put real strain on European-U.S. relationships,” Vance posted on X. “This is Orwellian, and everyone in Europe and the U.S. must reject this lunacy.”

Vance wrote this on a quote tweet of a clip on "60 Minutes" that went viral, where German prosecutors calmly confirmed just how Orwellian their country really is.

“It’s illegal to display Nazi symbolism, a swastika, or deny the Holocaust, that’s clear,” the "60 Minutes" reporter told the prosecutors, before asking, “Is it a crime to insult somebody in public?”

“Yes,” the prosecutors answered in unison.

“And it’s a crime to insult them online as well?” the reporter asked.

“Yes, the fine could be even higher if you insult someone on the internet,” one prosecutor answered. “Because on the internet, it stays there. If we are talking here face to face, you insult me, I insult you, OK, finish. But if you are on the internet, if I insult you or a politician, that sticks around forever.”


The prosecutors also explained that under German law, the spread of malicious gossip, violent threats, and fake quotes are also grounds for punishment. When charged, the punishment is usually a steep fine.

“That’s pretty, pretty chilling,” Pat Gray of “Pat Gray Unleashed” comments, and Keith Malinak is in full agreement.

“Less than three generations, we went from one fascist to another,” Malinak says, shocked.

“They’re just sitting there like, ‘Hey, yeah, we’re proud of this. This is great,’ and laugh about it,” Gray continues, adding, “and she’s smiling as she’s asking them the questions.”

The Free Speech hypocrisy by the Republicans

 

[Delldude]

The Free Speech hypocrisy by the Republicans

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