Zone1 do you believe in a god?

[ding]

I don't see any adverse consequences of my actions to date so I guess I'm unlikely to change for the sake of change.


Historical misconceptions to address.

Again... for like the third time, until you travel both paths you have no frame of reference. Why is this logic so hard for you to understand?

And I say religions to debunk. And yet... religion isn't God and it's God I have been talking about, not religions.

 

[Donald H]

If God is going to change me, you'll have to ask Him that question. If it is me changing me, I have no idea. Might depend on which view of God I took. I might pray 5 times a day toward Mecca, or take a dip in the Ganges, or take the Joseph Smith approach and start my own cult.

Debating the more intelligent Christians can be avoided. You can agree with them that their bibles are allegorical stories with a meaning. They're no longer specific on any bible stories being literally true.

The Catholic church gave religion a new face when it signed on to believing Darwinian evolution, in place of the Adam and Eve bogus yarn.

And the side benefit of that coming of age with the modern world, is that they cry foul and refuse to debate the fact that their farm has been sold to science.

 

[ding]

ding is already showing the consequence for setting aside Divine Law by turning to bread MADE BY HUMAN HANDS that he worships and eats on his knees for spiritual life. He might as well seek spiritual life from a pretzel.

His soul died in the same day he first got down on his knees in the deranged adoration of a matzo decades ago.

He has confused faith with obstinate stupidity. This insanity is what scripture calls "the death", a curse. The realm of the dead, hell, is the state of mind of the hopelessly insane who find humor in their own pathetic aberrations.

To him reality that contradicts his bizarre beliefs every day and night is like a consuming fire that will never go out.

Hell.

 

[Donald H]

The exception to the new rules:

The god 'did' build a big fish especially for Jonah to live in for 3 days. They're still not letting go of that one, but really?

Really?

 

[ding]

Debating the more intelligent Christians can be avoided. You can agree with them that their bibles are allegorical stories with a meaning. They're no longer specific on any bible stories being literally true.

The Catholic church gave religion a new face when it signed on to believing Darwinian evolution, in place of the Adam and Eve bogus yarn.

And the side benefit of that coming of age with the modern world, is that they cry foul and refuse to debate the fact that their farm has been sold to science.

Your message doesn't seem to be resonating. Are you familiar with the saying about insanity?

 

[ding]

I dont doubt there could be a supreme creator.

Why not?

 

[ding]

The exception to the new rules:

The god 'did' build a big fish especially for Jonah to live in for 3 days. They're still no letting go of that one, but really?

Really?

 

[Donald H]

The Christians chose this story wisely, for the final and last stand. Their evidence is overwhelming and so atheists need to just dodge the subject!​

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[ding]

The Christians chose this story wisely, for the final and last stand. Their evidence is overwhelming and so atheists need to just dodge the subject!​

Google is your friend.

The story of Jonah in the Bible teaches several important lessons, including the universal nature of God's mercy and the importance of obedience, even when it's difficult. It highlights God's desire to save all people, not just the chosen people, and challenges us to reflect on our own biases and limitations.

Key Lessons from the Story of Jonah:

• God's Universal Mercy:
  The story emphasizes that God's compassion extends to all people, even those considered enemies or outsiders, like the Ninevites.
  
  
• Obedience and Trust:
  Jonah's disobedience and subsequent struggles underscore the importance of trusting God's will and following His commands, even when they seem contrary to our own desires.
  
  
• • Empathy and Compassion:
    The story encourages us to cultivate empathy and compassion for others, even those who may not share our beliefs or values.
    
  • God's Sovereignty and Power:
    Jonah's experience highlights God's power and sovereignty, as He orchestrates events to bring about His purposes.
    
  • The Importance of Prophecy:
    The story demonstrates the role of prophets in calling people to repentance and reminding them of God's message.
    
  • God's Patience and Forgiveness:
    The story showcases God's patience with Jonah and His willingness to forgive even those who have disobeyed Him.

 

[ding]

OMG!!! What horrible things to teach.

 

[alang1216]

Again... for like the third time, until you travel both paths you have no frame of reference. Why is this logic so hard for you to understand?

Because there are not two paths, there are an infinite number of paths. Have you tried psychedelic drugs? Why or why not?

And I say religions to debunk. And yet... religion isn't God and it's God I have been talking about, not religions.

Everything we know about God comes from one religion or another. If that was not the case, every culture would be similarly monotheistic and the we know that is not true. Your logic about the Creator of the universe offers you no insight into any God.

 

[ding]

Because there are not two paths, there are an infinite number of paths. Have you tried psychedelic drugs? Why or why not?


Everything we know about God comes from one religion or another. If that was not the case, every culture would be similarly monotheistic and the we know that is not true. Your logic about the Creator of the universe offers you no insight into any God.

Incorrect on both fronts. Everything we know about God has come from what he has created. There are only two paths; you can worship the creator or you can worship the created.

 

[alang1216]

Incorrect on both fronts. Everything we know about God has come from what he has created. There are only two paths; you can worship the creator or you can worship the created.

What makes you think the creator wants us to worship? Is that the same as appreciating nature?

What attributes of the creator can you discern from what he has created?

 

[Grumblenuts]

you can either worship the creator or you can worship the creation.

you can worship the creator or you can worship the created.

"creator", "creation", "created".. How many more of these alleged "paths" should we expect before you're mercifully all done here?

 

[Grumblenuts]

For ding's enlightenment:

Search Labs | AI Overview

Within Creation Science, there are several different viewpoints regarding the interpretation of the biblical creation account and its relationship to scientific understanding
. These views often differ in their understanding of the age of the Earth and the mechanisms God used to create life.
Here are some of the main choices or types of creationism within Creation Science:

• Young Earth Creationism (YEC):
  • This is perhaps the most widely recognized form of creationism.
  • YEC proponents adhere to a literal interpretation of the Genesis account of creation, believing that God created the universe and all life in a literal six-day period.
  • Based on biblical genealogies and timelines, they propose a relatively young age for the Earth, typically between 6,000 and 10,000 years.
  • YEC generally rejects the theory of evolution, asserting that all species were created in their present forms or "kinds".
  • Notable organizations promoting YEC and creation science include the Creation Research Society (CRS), the Institute for Creation Research (ICR), and Answers in Genesis (AiG).
• Old Earth Creationism (OEC):
  • In contrast to YEC, OEC accepts the scientific evidence that suggests a much older Earth.
  • OEC proponents generally believe that God created the universe over vast periods, potentially through a combination of supernatural acts and natural processes.
  • Several variations exist within OEC, such as:
    • Day-Age Creationism: Interprets the six creation "days" in Genesis as long periods of time, potentially representing epochs or ages.
    • Gap Creationism: Posits a long temporal gap between the initial creation of the heavens and the Earth (Genesis 1:1) and the events of the six creation days (Genesis 1:2 onwards).
    • Progressive Creationism: Holds that God created different life forms progressively over time, using both direct creation and evolutionary processes to diversify life.
  • OEC seeks to reconcile the biblical account of creation with the findings of modern science regarding the age of the Earth.
• Evolutionary Creationism (also called Theistic Evolution):
  • This view maintains that God created life through the process of evolution.
  • Evolutionary creationists generally accept the scientific consensus on evolution, viewing it as the mechanism God used to bring about the diversity of life.
  • Some believe God may have intervened at key moments in the evolutionary process, while others see God as having ordained the natural laws that govern evolution from the outset.
  • Organizations like the American Scientific Affiliation (ASA) and BioLogos are associated with this perspective.
• Intelligent Design (ID):
  • While not strictly a form of creationism, ID is often discussed in conjunction with it.
  • ID theorists argue that certain features of the universe and life are best explained by an intelligent cause rather than undirected natural processes.
  • They typically do not identify the intelligent agent but suggest that evidence of design can be found in nature using scientific methods.

Important Note: It's worth noting that the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community is that creation science and intelligent design do not meet the criteria of science due to their reliance on supernatural explanations and lack of empirical support and testability.
In essence, the choices within Creation Science reflect a spectrum of views on how to interpret the biblical account of creation in light of scientific findings, ranging from a literal, young-Earth view to accepting evolutionary processes as a part of God's creation.

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Such as neglecting to warn readers that so-called "Creation Science" is a cult, not a science.

 

[Muhammed]

Good for you. I couldn't be happier for you to make that choice.

But what is YOUR perception of a supernatural being? You can't discuss something you have no perception of let alone look for it and find it.

I'm talking about things like ghosts, the Abrahamic God, Zeus, Shiva, demons, angels, Qutzecotl, the rain gods etc, etc.... It all just seems silly.

But I am a very tolerant athiest. Not one of those militant antireligious athiests. I certainly wouldn't want anything I say or do to influence religious folks to lose their faith.

I've seen many people who were raised as Christians from the time they were born lose their faith later in life as adults and most of the time it changed them for the worse because their morals were so tightly bound to their religious faith.

When they rejected their faith, their morals were rejected with it. And that's not good.

Keep the faith.

 

[Meriweather]

Please dont compare that kind of stuff to fairy tales. It makes you look silly.

It does not. All of the above--including religion--are based on the research and experiences of mankind. Why are you willing to throw out the experiences of one subject, but cling to others? Seriously.

 

[Meriweather]

If God is going to change me, you'll have to ask Him that question. If it is me changing me, I have no idea. Might depend on which view of God I took. I might pray 5 times a day toward Mecca, or take a dip in the Ganges, or take the Joseph Smith approach and start my own cult.

I am not suggesting God is going to change you. I am asking you how you, having belief or knowledge of God, would change. No need to drag in Mecca, Ganges, Smith, or any other person or symbol. How do you imagine knowledge or experience of God might change your own attitude?

 

[ding]

I'm talking about things like ghosts, the Abrahamic God, Zeus, Shiva, demons, angels, Qutzecotl, the rain gods etc, etc.... It all just seems silly.

But I am a very tolerant athiest. Not one of those militant antireligious athiests. I certainly wouldn't want anything I say or do to influence religious folks to lose their faith.

I've seen many people who were raised as Christians from the time they were born lose their faith later in life as adults and most of the time it changed them for the worse because their morals were so tightly bound to their religious faith.

When they rejected their faith, their morals were rejected with it. And that's not good.

Keep the faith.

I don't think you are militant about this. I think this is a good and honest discussion. And I was talking specifically about God. What is your perception of God? Do you have one? If you don't, then how did you know what to look for?

There are three possible states; we can be moving towards God, we can be moving away from God or we can be static in our relationship with God. And nothing precludes us from moving from one state to another. Life is a journey filled with experiences, consequences, lessons and learnings. All of which go into making us who we are.

 

[ding]

"creator", "creation", "created".. How many more of these alleged "paths" should we expect before you're mercifully all done here?

Don't read it.