Do you agree with Obama?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Obama explains why he doesn't use 'radical Islam'

President Obama recently answered criticisms from Trump that he never uses the words, "radical Islam", because he thinks it is a "distraction" that will create needless agitation towards those who practice Islam, even though that is what it is.

So is he right? Should we continue the PC charade of never saying "radical Islam"?

Obama says,

"We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam,"

What part of that do you disagree with?

GWB said it as well, and both he and Obama are correct.

 

[irosie91]

Ok,

What I meant by communication was not that we can go and talk to or reason with the brainwashed ***** that are already so far gone that they cut heads off(funny sounding, if it werent eerily true).

But mental illness is rare, Ill begin there.....these folks are not all mentally ill or something, they are BRAINWASHED.

With an ideaology.


Typically, its easier to brainwash within a more ignorant society....AND, from a younger age.

Those ^ two things, are very solvable and very real solutions and what I had meant by "communication."

When theres pockets of these folks so scattered and in many cases, so lone wolf.....its time to start infiltrating these poor ideas themselves, before they continue to spread......at the same time as waging war on the existing radicals.

Good point.. I tend to agree. That whole part of the world is fucked up beyond belief. Despots, crazies, etc., etc. Winning over the hearts and minds... II just don't know how you do that when children from birth are taught this fucked up shit.

Geeze.. what a mess.

Smoke them up.

Which is a solution masked as a joke.

Meaning, teach them how nice 1st world living can be (i.e. spread capitalism over there like a gypsie on steroids, YES starting with McDonalds).


This hilarity even happened in China.


Started seeing McDonalds' spread, followed by a multitude of American born businesses.....and boom, they begin engaging Capitalism and slightly veer off the strict communist path.


So, Im half kidding. lol

That was the ultimate goal of going into Iraq.

A worthy goal, if properly implemented.

Agreed.... the mission was noble, the execution left a lot to be desired.

c'mon soggy----"give them a dose of yankee culture and they will cave" is not a noble mission

 

[G.T.]

Good point.. I tend to agree. That whole part of the world is fucked up beyond belief. Despots, crazies, etc., etc. Winning over the hearts and minds... II just don't know how you do that when children from birth are taught this fucked up shit.

Geeze.. what a mess.

Smoke them up.

Which is a solution masked as a joke.

Meaning, teach them how nice 1st world living can be (i.e. spread capitalism over there like a gypsie on steroids, YES starting with McDonalds).


This hilarity even happened in China.


Started seeing McDonalds' spread, followed by a multitude of American born businesses.....and boom, they begin engaging Capitalism and slightly veer off the strict communist path.


So, Im half kidding. lol

That was the ultimate goal of going into Iraq.

A worthy goal, if properly implemented.

Agreed.... the mission was noble, the execution left a lot to be desired.

c'mon soggy----"give them a dose of yankee culture and they will cave" is not a noble mission

sure is. and it doesnt have to be yankee. ..just UPDATED.

 

[Moonglow]

I say it all the time...of course I don't give a rat's ass what Ears says though

You don't have to talk Muslims into killing other Muslims....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Good point.. I tend to agree. That whole part of the world is fucked up beyond belief. Despots, crazies, etc., etc. Winning over the hearts and minds... II just don't know how you do that when children from birth are taught this fucked up shit.

Geeze.. what a mess.

Smoke them up.

Which is a solution masked as a joke.

Meaning, teach them how nice 1st world living can be (i.e. spread capitalism over there like a gypsie on steroids, YES starting with McDonalds).


This hilarity even happened in China.


Started seeing McDonalds' spread, followed by a multitude of American born businesses.....and boom, they begin engaging Capitalism and slightly veer off the strict communist path.


So, Im half kidding. lol

That was the ultimate goal of going into Iraq.

A worthy goal, if properly implemented.

Agreed.... the mission was noble, the execution left a lot to be desired.

c'mon soggy----"give them a dose of yankee culture and they will cave" is not a noble mission

That isn't what I said.... it was all about introducing something other than despotism and despair. Freedom, democracy.. capitalism. It wasn't about making anyone cave, just showing an alternative to what they knew.

 

[irosie91]

Obama explains why he doesn't use 'radical Islam'

President Obama recently answered criticisms from Trump that he never uses the words, "radical Islam", because he thinks it is a "distraction" that will create needless agitation towards those who practice Islam, even though that is what it is.

So is he right? Should we continue the PC charade of never saying "radical Islam"?

Obama says,

"We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam,"

What part of that do you disagree with?

GWB said it as well, and both he and Obama are correct.

the people who have "perverted islam"??? are you guys going to describe "UNPERVERTED ISLAM" ??? I read the koran ---probably before you were born-----and---by that time had read the OT, NT, parts of the Baghavad Gita and the Ramayana---and---of course-----the Kama Sudtra----and lots of greek and roman mythology and classical writings like SOPHOCLES, EURIPIDES, ARISTOPHANES etc ----and----other stuff like----Beowulf----Of them the least impressive were Beowulf and the koran

 

[irosie91]

Smoke them up.

Which is a solution masked as a joke.

Meaning, teach them how nice 1st world living can be (i.e. spread capitalism over there like a gypsie on steroids, YES starting with McDonalds).


This hilarity even happened in China.


Started seeing McDonalds' spread, followed by a multitude of American born businesses.....and boom, they begin engaging Capitalism and slightly veer off the strict communist path.


So, Im half kidding. lol

That was the ultimate goal of going into Iraq.

A worthy goal, if properly implemented.

Agreed.... the mission was noble, the execution left a lot to be desired.

c'mon soggy----"give them a dose of yankee culture and they will cave" is not a noble mission

sure is. and it doesnt have to be yankee. ..just UPDATED.

very pious of you-----add apple pie with a scoop of vanilla on top

 

[kaz]

Here's a clue. Any Muslim who is offended at identifying a Muslim who murders people as a "radical" ... is a radical ...

The point is not to be PC, the point is to take the excuse of using the banner of a Religion away from sick sadistic twits and leave them with just youre a sick sadistic twit.

And anyway, at the end of the day this is all arguing over minutia. It effects his Military Strategists ZERO.

So why the **** whine about it, is anyone's best guess.

Calm down, guy, didn't mean to make you so upset. When you are dodging who is responsible for the war, you aren't focused on the war, it clearly does reduce the effectiveness of the effort. It's totally important to specifically identify the enemy to defeat them. We aren't fighting all sick sadistic twits, we are fighting the Muslim ones. They are the ones killing people. And Obama has a clearly incoherent strategy to back that observation up

No one is dodging who is responsible for the war. The actors acting are responsible, not an entire religion. Why you didn't learn that lesson after we wrongly interned Japanese American citizens? What "muslims" should be targeted in your opinion?

Strawman. I keep saying it's not the religion, it's the radicals. Get my position right before you ask more questions based on your wrong statements of my view

I got a statement------yours is something like saying ----lets say in the year 1500------which is important-----shortly before the CONQUEST of the NEW WORLD------THE INQUISITION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CATHOLICISM ----IT IS "RADICAL CATHOLICISM"

How is it like that? The Catholic Church is one organization with a single leader, the pope. Islam doesn't have that

 

[NYcarbineer]

Obama explains why he doesn't use 'radical Islam'

President Obama recently answered criticisms from Trump that he never uses the words, "radical Islam", because he thinks it is a "distraction" that will create needless agitation towards those who practice Islam, even though that is what it is.

So is he right? Should we continue the PC charade of never saying "radical Islam"?

Obama says,

"We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam,"

What part of that do you disagree with?

GWB said it as well, and both he and Obama are correct.

the people who have "perverted islam"??? are you guys going to describe "UNPERVERTED ISLAM" ??? I read the koran ---probably before you were born-----and---by that time had read the OT, NT, parts of the Baghavad Gita and the Ramayana---and---of course-----the Kama Sudtra----and lots of greek and roman mythology and classical writings like SOPHOCLES, EURIPIDES, ARISTOPHANES etc ----and----other stuff like----Beowulf----Of them the least impressive were Beowulf and the koran

The 'unperverted' Muslims are the ones who don't act like Catholics 6 or 7 hundred years ago.

 

[G.T.]

That was the ultimate goal of going into Iraq.

A worthy goal, if properly implemented.

Agreed.... the mission was noble, the execution left a lot to be desired.

c'mon soggy----"give them a dose of yankee culture and they will cave" is not a noble mission

sure is. and it doesnt have to be yankee. ..just UPDATED.

very pious of you-----add apple pie with a scoop of vanilla on top

Sounds nicer than a bowl of dust and leaning forward on my knees to Mecca and smelling the dusty guy in front of me's feet.

Id rather watch a play on a date, and visit a museum.....a place where their culture belongs.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

That was the ultimate goal of going into Iraq.

A worthy goal, if properly implemented.

Agreed.... the mission was noble, the execution left a lot to be desired.

c'mon soggy----"give them a dose of yankee culture and they will cave" is not a noble mission

sure is. and it doesnt have to be yankee. ..just UPDATED.

very pious of you-----add apple pie with a scoop of vanilla on top

Oh good grief.... stop it already.

 

[irosie91]

The point is not to be PC, the point is to take the excuse of using the banner of a Religion away from sick sadistic twits and leave them with just youre a sick sadistic twit.

And anyway, at the end of the day this is all arguing over minutia. It effects his Military Strategists ZERO.

So why the **** whine about it, is anyone's best guess.

Calm down, guy, didn't mean to make you so upset. When you are dodging who is responsible for the war, you aren't focused on the war, it clearly does reduce the effectiveness of the effort. It's totally important to specifically identify the enemy to defeat them. We aren't fighting all sick sadistic twits, we are fighting the Muslim ones. They are the ones killing people. And Obama has a clearly incoherent strategy to back that observation up

No one is dodging who is responsible for the war. The actors acting are responsible, not an entire religion. Why you didn't learn that lesson after we wrongly interned Japanese American citizens? What "muslims" should be targeted in your opinion?

Strawman. I keep saying it's not the religion, it's the radicals. Get my position right before you ask more questions based on your wrong statements of my view

I got a statement------yours is something like saying ----lets say in the year 1500------which is important-----shortly before the CONQUEST of the NEW WORLD------THE INQUISITION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CATHOLICISM ----IT IS "RADICAL CATHOLICISM"

How is it like that? The Catholic Church is one organization with a single leader, the pope. Islam doesn't have that

Your response -has the tenor of being ISLAMO NAZI PARTLINE -------I have heard about that "we don't have a pope" BS since---probably before you were born. Muslim children are taught about it in kindergarten as in
"WE IS BETTER ---WE DON'T NEED A POPE" It is sing song bullshit without meaning. Muslims had and have clergy and hierarchy in rule more OLIGARCHIC than the
CATHOLIC CHURCH and the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE ever was or is

 

[Desperado]

Even. If he told me the sky was blue and the ocean was wet, I would never agree with the Muslim wanna be dictator.

 

[kaz]

Calm down, guy, didn't mean to make you so upset. When you are dodging who is responsible for the war, you aren't focused on the war, it clearly does reduce the effectiveness of the effort. It's totally important to specifically identify the enemy to defeat them. We aren't fighting all sick sadistic twits, we are fighting the Muslim ones. They are the ones killing people. And Obama has a clearly incoherent strategy to back that observation up

No one is dodging who is responsible for the war. The actors acting are responsible, not an entire religion. Why you didn't learn that lesson after we wrongly interned Japanese American citizens? What "muslims" should be targeted in your opinion?

Strawman. I keep saying it's not the religion, it's the radicals. Get my position right before you ask more questions based on your wrong statements of my view

I got a statement------yours is something like saying ----lets say in the year 1500------which is important-----shortly before the CONQUEST of the NEW WORLD------THE INQUISITION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CATHOLICISM ----IT IS "RADICAL CATHOLICISM"

How is it like that? The Catholic Church is one organization with a single leader, the pope. Islam doesn't have that

Your response -has the tenor of being ISLAMO NAZI PARTLINE -------I have heard about that "we don't have a pope" BS since---probably before you were born. Muslim children are taught about it in kindergarten as in
"WE IS BETTER ---WE DON'T NEED A POPE" It is sing song bullshit without meaning. Muslims had and have clergy and hierarchy in rule more OLIGARCHIC than the
CATHOLIC CHURCH and the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE ever was or is

 

[LoneLaugher]

Obama says,

"We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with people who have perverted Islam,"

What part of that do you disagree with?

Why then can he not reference Islamic extremism, which sets it apart from other Muslims?

After all, he has no trouble saying right wing extremists, but then, he thinks that all those on the right are extremists.

That's awesome.

Non Mulsim ( primarily RW ) extremists have killed more Americans here than Muslim extremists have since 9-11.

How many times has Obama used the term RW extremist?

Really? Do tell.

Do tell? You need some links to this common knowledge?

Maybe later....

Typical non response. You say something, no backup, when asked, politely, to back it up, you hurl an insult. It is so because everyone knows it is not an answer.. it isn't like I'm asking for proof that water is wet.

I didn't hurl an insult. I am busy now. I may provide some links for you later. Do you have a problem with that?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Why then can he not reference Islamic extremism, which sets it apart from other Muslims?

After all, he has no trouble saying right wing extremists, but then, he thinks that all those on the right are extremists.

That's awesome.

Non Mulsim ( primarily RW ) extremists have killed more Americans here than Muslim extremists have since 9-11.

How many times has Obama used the term RW extremist?

Really? Do tell.

Do tell? You need some links to this common knowledge?

Maybe later....

Typical non response. You say something, no backup, when asked, politely, to back it up, you hurl an insult. It is so because everyone knows it is not an answer.. it isn't like I'm asking for proof that water is wet.

I didn't hurl an insult. I am busy now. I may provide some links for you later. Do you have a problem with that?

Significant? No.

 

[The VOR]

When some "Christians" start bombing marathons, shooting up nightclubs, flying airliners into skyscrapers, etc I'll be more than happy and willing to call them radical Christians. In fact I think groups like Westboro are radical christians and I'm not afraid to label them as such...you shouldn't be afraid or unwilling to do the same for radical Islam

Its just a difference of opinion over whether doing so validates them as chistians at all.

What about calling them "not christians," as opposed to misguided (radical) ones?

Not saying I personally agree with that strategy, but I certainly understand it... and am adult enough not to bicker over it

She missed Eric Rudolph

He was a radical Christian....now it's your turn asshole, say the words

He won't....

He's a transparent little ****

Now that isn't a very Christian like thing to say, is it? Oh, that's right, you are one of those hypocrite christians who talks it but doesn't walk it.

You truly are a fat, smelly turd.

 

[irosie91]

No one is dodging who is responsible for the war. The actors acting are responsible, not an entire religion. Why you didn't learn that lesson after we wrongly interned Japanese American citizens? What "muslims" should be targeted in your opinion?

Strawman. I keep saying it's not the religion, it's the radicals. Get my position right before you ask more questions based on your wrong statements of my view

I got a statement------yours is something like saying ----lets say in the year 1500------which is important-----shortly before the CONQUEST of the NEW WORLD------THE INQUISITION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CATHOLICISM ----IT IS "RADICAL CATHOLICISM"

How is it like that? The Catholic Church is one organization with a single leader, the pope. Islam doesn't have that

Your response -has the tenor of being ISLAMO NAZI PARTLINE -------I have heard about that "we don't have a pope" BS since---probably before you were born. Muslim children are taught about it in kindergarten as in
"WE IS BETTER ---WE DON'T NEED A POPE" It is sing song bullshit without meaning. Muslims had and have clergy and hierarchy in rule more OLIGARCHIC than the
CATHOLIC CHURCH and the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE ever was or is

remember your MUSLIMS DON'T HAVE POPE PARTYLINE_----muslims love it------
('god' know why)

 

[kaz]

Why then can he not reference Islamic extremism, which sets it apart from other Muslims?

After all, he has no trouble saying right wing extremists, but then, he thinks that all those on the right are extremists.

That's awesome.

Non Mulsim ( primarily RW ) extremists have killed more Americans here than Muslim extremists have since 9-11.

How many times has Obama used the term RW extremist?

Really? Do tell.

Do tell? You need some links to this common knowledge?

Maybe later....

Typical non response. You say something, no backup, when asked, politely, to back it up, you hurl an insult. It is so because everyone knows it is not an answer.. it isn't like I'm asking for proof that water is wet.

I didn't hurl an insult. I am busy now. I may provide some links for you later. Do you have a problem with that?

You're full of shit.

Homegrown Extremism: Deadly Attacks Since 9/11 | The International Security Program

That's what happens when you make up your crap. Though why you get to ignore 9/11 makes no sense. And going forward, the "far right" attacks will remain steady while obviously the upside on Muslim murders is unlimited

 

[kaz]

Strawman. I keep saying it's not the religion, it's the radicals. Get my position right before you ask more questions based on your wrong statements of my view

I got a statement------yours is something like saying ----lets say in the year 1500------which is important-----shortly before the CONQUEST of the NEW WORLD------THE INQUISITION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CATHOLICISM ----IT IS "RADICAL CATHOLICISM"

How is it like that? The Catholic Church is one organization with a single leader, the pope. Islam doesn't have that

Your response -has the tenor of being ISLAMO NAZI PARTLINE -------I have heard about that "we don't have a pope" BS since---probably before you were born. Muslim children are taught about it in kindergarten as in
"WE IS BETTER ---WE DON'T NEED A POPE" It is sing song bullshit without meaning. Muslims had and have clergy and hierarchy in rule more OLIGARCHIC than the
CATHOLIC CHURCH and the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE ever was or is

remember your MUSLIMS DON'T HAVE POPE PARTYLINE_----muslims love it------
('god' know why)

You compared Muslims, who are not one organized religious group with Catholics, who are.

And Catholics didn't just murder people intentionally just to murder them, they didn't blow themselves up. To say it's the same is ridiculous. I'm not catholic and I'm not big on the catholic church or religion in general. But it's not the same