Did You Know Cheney et al Are Convicted War Criminals?!: Issue Heading to UN

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The supposed tribunal is a PRIVATE organization unassociated with any Government or UN group./ It is as meaningless as if we got together and convicted Eric Holder.

Really? Because I heard they were aliens from a neighboring galaxy that look vaguely like angler fish.

My point being you need to quote from an article with a link where you're saying they were a private group and that their Verdict stayed private and wasn't noticed or taken up by the UN.

You can't make claims like that on this thread without snippets at least to back them up...or it looks like you're hiding something. If you have them, I'd like to see them. Just no blanket "this was a private group" comments with the implied "move along, there's nothing to see here!" message.

 

[Unkotare]

What the hell are you talking about? The Malaysian crack police could have grabbed both Obama and Bush.

They are probably on a crack(ed?) Malaysian Airlines Police Plane searching for them as we speak.

 

[Lakhota]

Before this link disappears:

May 13, 2012 8:28 am

In the first verdict of its kind since former President George W. Bush left office, he and several members of his administration have been successfully convicted in absentia of war crimes in Malaysia.

Yes, this is a BFD. [assuming 'Big Fucking Deal']

..This past Friday, a five panel tribunal delivered a unanimous guilty verdict after a week long trial that, unsurprisingly, was not covered by American media. The witnesses included several ex-Guantanamo detainees that gave testimony on the conditions and human rights violations that were systematically carried out under orders of the Bush administration.

Former President Bush, Former Vice-President Dick Cheney, Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo that crafted the legal ‘justification’ for torture that basically said, ‘we can if we want to even if it’s illegal’ were the defendants. None were present, of course, but international war crime trials do not require the presence of the accused. The trial was run according to the standards set by the Nuremberg Trials to convict war criminals after World War II.


Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said, “The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts”.

The United States is subject to international law which makes this trial significant beyond the borders of Malaysia. Foreign Policy Journal reports:


President Lamin told a packed courtroom: “As a tribunal of conscience, the tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council...

..“The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and be publicized accordingly.

“The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions.” ? George W. Bush, Dick Cheney Convicted Of War Crimes

Wow! Didn't know that had already happened. Makes you wonder if Russia & China's rise to power in the UN is a dark omen for any of these convicted 8 war criminals being harbored here in the US?

Gonna be hard to keep friends abroad when we're shielding the equivalent of the 3rd Reicht here on US soil.

I have been aware of this, but sadly Obama is protecting Bush:

Wikileaks: Obama Administration Secretly Worked To Prevent Prosecution of War Crimes By The Bush Administration | JONATHAN TURLEY

 

[RetiredGySgt]

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The supposed tribunal is a PRIVATE organization unassociated with any Government or UN group./ It is as meaningless as if we got together and convicted Eric Holder.

Really? Because I heard they were aliens from a neighboring galaxy that look vaguely like angler fish.

My point being you need to quote from an article with a link where you're saying they were a private group and that their Verdict stayed private and wasn't noticed or taken up by the UN.

You can't make claims like that on this thread without snippets at least to back them up...or it looks like you're hiding something. If you have them, I'd like to see them. Just no blanket "this was a private group" comments with the implied "move along, there's nothing to see here!" message.

Did you bother to read what you quoted? The part you quoted STATES they have no authority and no power.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

President Lamin told a packed courtroom: “As a tribunal of conscience, the tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.

Your own link states they have no power, no authority and no clue.

 

[TrainTime]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Are you saying the Cheney Administration being convicted war criminals is not news?

Nope, not really news, but played down by the media and not given enough coverage to make the mass's aware. Many just look at Malaysia and blow it off. Like they don't count, but while these war criminals may be able to travel to some very friendly countries like Canada, they dare not go to Muslim countries. Your former President, for the first time in history, can not travel freely in the world without the risk of being arrested as a war criminal.

Dirty Dick just returned from extensive travel in the ME with his daughter. Nobody from Malaysia tried to put him "under arrest"....if they had his SS detail would have shot them dead. Obozo been to Iraq lately and if not why not? He sneaked into Bagram with a WW2 bomber jacket hangin on his scrawny ass.....looked like a movie extra...pitiful.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I know lets get 9 of us together and declare Holder a convicted criminal and then submit our "findings " to the courts. Same shit these retards did.

 

[TrainTime]

I know lets get 9 of us together and declare Holder a convicted criminal and then submit our "findings " to the courts. Same shit these retards did.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why do you think they don't leave the US? They really can't, for life.

Quick, someone call Bush before he attends Mandela's memorial in S.A. It is imperative he will be arrested on sight by the Malaysian police.

He went with Obama. It would have been rude to grab him then, and the process takes time but he'll get away with it, he'll just be careful about his travels...

This is a dumb thread but I will put my two cents in.

No one would dare try to arrest bush in any country on earth
They wouldn't have a home address anymore

 

[Katzndogz]

Is the left still masturbating over this non issue?

 

[tinydancer]

Why do you think they don't leave the US? They really can't, for life.

Bullshit. President Bush goes to Africa all the time,. Cheney is constricted on travel only by his heart but I still think he travels when he's healthy and Tony Blair goes any damn well place he wants to.

 

[tinydancer]

Is the left still masturbating over this non issue?

Apparently so. This Malaysian tribunal is a joke. No legitimacy.

 

[Peach]

When were the "Defendents" were served with notice? Where is their right to appeal explained? Trial in absentia requires more than "......they did this, GUILTY".

 

[Camp]

Are you saying the Cheney Administration being convicted war criminals is not news?

Nope, not really news, but played down by the media and not given enough coverage to make the mass's aware. Many just look at Malaysia and blow it off. Like they don't count, but while these war criminals may be able to travel to some very friendly countries like Canada, they dare not go to Muslim countries. Your former President, for the first time in history, can not travel freely in the world without the risk of being arrested as a war criminal.

Dirty Dick just returned from extensive travel in the ME with his daughter. Nobody from Malaysia tried to put him "under arrest"....if they had his SS detail would have shot them dead. Obozo been to Iraq lately and if not why not? He sneaked into Bagram with a WW2 bomber jacket hangin on his scrawny ass.....looked like a movie extra...pitiful.

What extensive trip to the mid east are you talking about? Which countries did he visit and who did he allegedly meet with?
What SS detail are you talking about? Former VP's don't usually get Secret Service coverage. Cheney got extended coverage from Obama, but that was right after he left office. Do you have information that he is still getting SS protection and services at tax payers expense?

 

[Camp]

Quick, someone call Bush before he attends Mandela's memorial in S.A. It is imperative he will be arrested on sight by the Malaysian police.

He went with Obama. It would have been rude to grab him then, and the process takes time but he'll get away with it, he'll just be careful about his travels...

This is a dumb thread but I will put my two cents in.

No one would dare try to arrest bush in any country on earth
They wouldn't have a home address anymore

Of course no one would try to arrest Bush. Both the President, who ever it is, and the country wouldn't allow it. But Bush has more class than to put himself or the nation in a awkward or embarrassing diplomatic or public relations position. Cheney on the other hand is a different story.

 

[tinydancer]

Africa was Laura's little project and we paid for her the twins to vacation there.

George was far too busy lying to the world and lining his and that dick of a veep's pockets.

President Bush has become Africa's best friend. You can lie all you want Luddly but you cannot take away all of his accomplishments in Africa. And I'm talking his.

The former Governor of Texas’ visit was part of a mission to raise awareness of a cervical cancer detection and treatment program he has set up in Zambia, which has the second highest number of cervical cancer cases in the world

Many Zambian women infected with the disease are also living with HIV and have weakened immune systems, according to the Catholic Online

Volunteering: Mr Bush working in Kabwe, Zambia on July 3 as part of his mission to promote cervical cancer detection and treatment programs for Zambian women


Former President George Bush forgoes July Fourth celebrations and spends holidays at Zambian orphanage | Mail Online

 

[jasonnfree]

The stated reason for the US involvement in the Iraq war was to enforce UN sanctions against the Saddam regime. Did they ever thank us? Does anybody recall an effort by the UN to bring the criminals to justice who tortured and killed Americans in the notorious North Vietnam Hanoi Hilton POW prison? Captured terrorists incarcerated at Gitmo gained about 30 pounds and never had it so good. Guys like John McCain lost about a hundred pounds in North Vietnamese custody. Why don't Americans smarten up and kick the UN a-holes out of their anti-American office in New York?

Who were the Americans occupying the Hanoi Hilton? People like McCain dropping bombs on a country that never did us any harm. Was McCain a terrorist. No, he was following orders.

 

[Peach]

As the "convictions" stemmed from proceedings without any pretense of due process, ignore.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Before this link disappears:

May 13, 2012 8:28 am

In the first verdict of its kind since former President George W. Bush left office, he and several members of his administration have been successfully convicted in absentia of war crimes in Malaysia.

Yes, this is a BFD. [assuming 'Big Fucking Deal']

..This past Friday, a five panel tribunal delivered a unanimous guilty verdict after a week long trial that, unsurprisingly, was not covered by American media. The witnesses included several ex-Guantanamo detainees that gave testimony on the conditions and human rights violations that were systematically carried out under orders of the Bush administration.

Former President Bush, Former Vice-President Dick Cheney, Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo that crafted the legal ‘justification’ for torture that basically said, ‘we can if we want to even if it’s illegal’ were the defendants. None were present, of course, but international war crime trials do not require the presence of the accused. The trial was run according to the standards set by the Nuremberg Trials to convict war criminals after World War II.


Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said, “The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts”.

The United States is subject to international law which makes this trial significant beyond the borders of Malaysia. Foreign Policy Journal reports:


President Lamin told a packed courtroom: “As a tribunal of conscience, the tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council...

..“The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and be publicized accordingly.

“The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions.” ? George W. Bush, Dick Cheney Convicted Of War Crimes

Wow! Didn't know that had already happened. Makes you wonder if Russia & China's rise to power in the UN is a dark omen for any of these convicted 8 war criminals being harbored here in the US?

Gonna be hard to keep friends abroad when we're shielding the equivalent of the 3rd Reicht here on US soil.

Wonder if Obama will be added the list because of the drone assassinations?

He may be.

 

[Camp]

Both Bush and Cheney have had to cancel trips overseas due to threats of arrest or violence if they traveled to those counties. Cheney canceled a trip to Canada and Bush canceled a trip to Switzerland.
You can mock the Malaysia war crimes convictions all you want, but perception is everything in politics and public relations. The Muslim world population respects the verdict from Malaysia, it is used as a jihadist recruitment tool and people who mock their enemies always loose.

http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354211/George-W-Bush-cancels-Switzerland-visit-fears-arrest-torture-charges.html