Did You Know Cheney et al Are Convicted War Criminals?!: Issue Heading to UN

[PaintMyHouse]

Why do you think they don't leave the US? They really can't, for life.

Quick, someone call Bush before he attends Mandela's memorial in S.A. It is imperative he will be arrested on sight by the Malaysian police.

He went with Obama. It would have been rude to grab him then, and the process takes time but he'll get away with it, he'll just be careful about his travels...

 

[Dayton3]

IIRC it is established in U.S. law that no American president or official can be tried for decisions made while in office.

and given that International Law has no enforcement provisions or even true legal authority, American law has primacy here.

I'm wondering

1) How long before people give up this fantasy of President Bush, Vice President Cheney and others tried as war criminals?

2) Don't they realize that ANY attempt by a foreign nation to take President Bush or VP Cheney into custody would result in such nationalistic outrage across the U.S. that Bush and Cheney would almost instantly become national heros? Their reputations restored forever.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Why do you think they don't leave the US? They really can't, for life.

Quick, someone call Bush before he attends Mandela's memorial in S.A. It is imperative he will be arrested on sight by the Malaysian police.

He went with Obama. It would have been rude to grab him then, and the process takes time but he'll get away with it, he'll just be careful about his travels...

Its Obama who let them off.

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Interesting video -
(Not suitable for RWs)

Watch: The 1994 Video Dick Cheney Doesn?t Want You to See | Occupy Democrats

And, about Iraq

The Lies We Believed (And Still Believe) About Iraq | Blog | BillMoyers.com

 

[Unkotare]

Why do you think they don't leave the US? They really can't, for life.

Quick, someone call Bush before he attends Mandela's memorial in S.A. It is imperative he will be arrested on sight by the Malaysian police.

He went with Obama. It would have been rude to grab him then, and the process takes time but he'll get away with it, he'll just be careful about his travels...

If you didn't say stupid, ignorant shit to start with you wouldn't have to dance, spin, qualify, and correct your own comments quite so often, big mouth.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

IIRC it is established in U.S. law that no American president or official can be tried for decisions made while in office.

and given that International Law has no enforcement provisions or even true legal authority, American law has primacy here.

I'm wondering

1) How long before people give up this fantasy of President Bush, Vice President Cheney and others tried as war criminals?

2) Don't they realize that ANY attempt by a foreign nation to take President Bush or VP Cheney into custody would result in such nationalistic outrage across the U.S. that Bush and Cheney would almost instantly become national heros? Their reputations restored forever.

Where do you people get this stuff?

 

[Unkotare]

George W. Bush's new mission: Helping those with the least in Africa - CNN.com

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[sealybobo]

Before this link disappears:

May 13, 2012 8:28 am

In the first verdict of its kind since former President George W. Bush left office, he and several members of his administration have been successfully convicted in absentia of war crimes in Malaysia.

Yes, this is a BFD. [assuming 'Big Fucking Deal']

..This past Friday, a five panel tribunal delivered a unanimous guilty verdict after a week long trial that, unsurprisingly, was not covered by American media. The witnesses included several ex-Guantanamo detainees that gave testimony on the conditions and human rights violations that were systematically carried out under orders of the Bush administration.

Former President Bush, Former Vice-President Dick Cheney, Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo that crafted the legal ‘justification’ for torture that basically said, ‘we can if we want to even if it’s illegal’ were the defendants. None were present, of course, but international war crime trials do not require the presence of the accused. The trial was run according to the standards set by the Nuremberg Trials to convict war criminals after World War II.


Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said, “The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts”.

The United States is subject to international law which makes this trial significant beyond the borders of Malaysia. Foreign Policy Journal reports:


President Lamin told a packed courtroom: “As a tribunal of conscience, the tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council...

..“The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and be publicized accordingly.

“The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions.” ? George W. Bush, Dick Cheney Convicted Of War Crimes

Wow! Didn't know that had already happened. Makes you wonder if Russia & China's rise to power in the UN is a dark omen for any of these convicted 8 war criminals being harbored here in the US?

Gonna be hard to keep friends abroad when we're shielding the equivalent of the 3rd Reicht here on US soil.

Any doubt if Obama did what Bush and Chaney did the GOP would be calling Obama a war criminal and insisting on impeachment?

Or notice how they say, "the rest of the world doesn't respect or like Obama" and these same people said fuck the rest of the world when Bush was literally making us all look bad. And the republican voters went along with whatever the retarded decider decided. Everything he did was constitutional. Back then debts didn't matter. Fuck republicans. Even the ones I like should get cancer from pollution, lose their kids in wars, they should lose their jobs and only find minimum wage jobs.

Basically every Republican needs to learn empathy and that they don't appreciate the system they grew up in and how it helped them become successful. Now they want to take away the ladder for the people coming up behind them.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

George W. Bush's new mission: Helping those with the least in Africa - CNN.com

............................................

Bet he believes that will make us forget the hundreds of thousands he killed and maimed, the country he decimated, the debt and unemployment and housing disaster he left and more -

If Africa is smart, they won't let him in.

OTOH, maybe he's just gonna send them bathtub paintings.

 

[Unkotare]

President Bush is given a hero's welcome in many parts of Africa where he is responsible for saving the lives of many millions. obama will never be able to claim that. So far his greatest accomplishment is blaming President Bush for his own failures. That's your hero. Fitting.

 

[Unkotare]

IIRC it is established in U.S. law that no American president or official can be tried for decisions made while in office.

and given that International Law has no enforcement provisions or even true legal authority, American law has primacy here.

I'm wondering

1) How long before people give up this fantasy of President Bush, Vice President Cheney and others tried as war criminals?

2) Don't they realize that ANY attempt by a foreign nation to take President Bush or VP Cheney into custody would result in such nationalistic outrage across the U.S. that Bush and Cheney would almost instantly become national heros? Their reputations restored forever.

Where do you people get this stuff?

In the last place the likes of you would ever think to look: the real world.

 

[deltex1]

Netherlands 0 Costa Rica 0. About as thrilling as this nauseating thread.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Quick, someone call Bush before he attends Mandela's memorial in S.A. It is imperative he will be arrested on sight by the Malaysian police.

He went with Obama. It would have been rude to grab him then, and the process takes time but he'll get away with it, he'll just be careful about his travels...

If you didn't say stupid, ignorant shit to start with you wouldn't have to dance, spin, qualify, and correct your own comments quite so often, big mouth.

I have no problems clarifying blanket statements. I speak in generalities for the most part. Notice the Really Can't part, that mattered...

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Africa was Laura's little project and we paid for her the twins to vacation there.

George was far too busy lying to the world and lining his and that dick of a veep's pockets.

 

[Silhouette]

Bet he believes that will make us forget the hundreds of thousands he killed and maimed, the country he decimated, the debt and unemployment and housing disaster he left and more -

If Africa is smart, they won't let him in.

OTOH, maybe he's just gonna send them bathtub paintings.

It's hard to say what will come of all this. But they were tried for war crimes and convicted in a manner consisted with the post WWII trials. It's a small step, but a first one. And its size doesn't erase the fact that we're harboring convicted war criminals. In the world's eyes. And if you don't care about what the world thinks of us as our enemies tighten their grip and use their money to woo countries in South America and now it appears closing in on our doorstep in Central America..then just keep your head in the sand I guess.

And be prepared to shell out tens of $trillions over the next couple decades beating back the public sentiments outside our borders...

 

[Unkotare]

I have no problems clarifying blanket statements. I speak in generalities for the most part. ..

= you're an idiot with poor self-control.

 

[Unkotare]

Notice the Really Can't part, that mattered...

The part that was directly refuted.

 

[Unkotare]

George W. Bush?s Legacy on Africa Wins Praise, Even From Foes - ABC News


"The George W. Bush Presidential Library dedication brought together five living presidents who have been at odds about much of the 43rd president’s foreign policy legacy, particularly the Iraq war. But they all agreed on, and offered effusive praise for, Bush’s work on Africa.
From the historic peace agreement between Sudan and South Sudan in 2005, to Bush’s work on HIV/AIDS and malaria, all the presidents, regardless of party, thanked No. 43 for his involvement in African policies and issues.
Jimmy Carter — who now runs the Carter Center, a non-profit organization whose mission is to fight for human rights, conflict resolution and global health in the world’s most impoverished countries — laid out Bush’s accomplishments, including increasing aid to the continent by more than 640% by the time he left office.
“Mr. President, let me say that I’m filled with admiration for you and deep gratitude for you about the great contributions you’ve made to the most needy people on Earth,” said Carter.
At more than $5 billion a year in humanitarian aid to Africa, President Bush has given more assistance to the continent than any other president. His administration’s aid was largely targeted to fight the major global health issues facing the continent, HIV/AIDS and malaria."

 

[Unkotare]

It's hard to say what will come of all this. ...

No it's not. Nothing will com of it. This is as much of a real story as your claim that Tokyo was being evacuated, idiot.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Before this link disappears:

May 13, 2012 8:28 am

In the first verdict of its kind since former President George W. Bush left office, he and several members of his administration have been successfully convicted in absentia of war crimes in Malaysia.

Yes, this is a BFD. [assuming 'Big Fucking Deal']

..This past Friday, a five panel tribunal delivered a unanimous guilty verdict after a week long trial that, unsurprisingly, was not covered by American media. The witnesses included several ex-Guantanamo detainees that gave testimony on the conditions and human rights violations that were systematically carried out under orders of the Bush administration.

Former President Bush, Former Vice-President Dick Cheney, Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo that crafted the legal ‘justification’ for torture that basically said, ‘we can if we want to even if it’s illegal’ were the defendants. None were present, of course, but international war crime trials do not require the presence of the accused. The trial was run according to the standards set by the Nuremberg Trials to convict war criminals after World War II.


Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said, “The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts”.

The United States is subject to international law which makes this trial significant beyond the borders of Malaysia. Foreign Policy Journal reports:


President Lamin told a packed courtroom: “As a tribunal of conscience, the tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council...

..“The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission’s Register of War Criminals and be publicized accordingly.

“The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions.” ? George W. Bush, Dick Cheney Convicted Of War Crimes

Wow! Didn't know that had already happened. Makes you wonder if Russia & China's rise to power in the UN is a dark omen for any of these convicted 8 war criminals being harbored here in the US?

Gonna be hard to keep friends abroad when we're shielding the equivalent of the 3rd Reicht here on US soil.

Wonder if Obama will be added the list because of the drone assassinations?

The supposed tribunal is a PRIVATE organization unassociated with any Government or UN group./ It is as meaningless as if we got together and convicted Eric Holder.

 

[Freewill]

Why do you think they don't leave the US? They really can't, for life.

Quick, someone call Bush before he attends Mandela's memorial in S.A. It is imperative he will be arrested on sight by the Malaysian police.

He went with Obama. It would have been rude to grab him then, and the process takes time but he'll get away with it, he'll just be careful about his travels...

What the hell are you talking about? The Malaysian crack police could have grabbed both Obama and Bush. Obama for his illegal drone program and Bush....well I forget exactly why.