Zone1 Did you exist before you were born into this life?

[Failzero]

observation of desert dwellers is as good a guideline as any ...

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throughout history all three with the same preamble of false commandments et al they teach each other in their churches has the same deleterious affect from one generation to the next ...

bring justice to the crucifiers is the true calling of the heavens.

Democrat Kluxer Womenz

 

[Cougarbear]

observation of desert dwellers is as good a guideline as any ...

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throughout history all three with the same preamble of false commandments et al they teach each other in their churches has the same deleterious affect from one generation to the next ...

bring justice to the crucifiers is the true calling of the heavens.

So you are a KKK believer. Good grief. You are such a liar.

 

[Failzero]

So you are a KKK believer. Good grief. You are such a liar.

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan was litigated out of existence in 1986 ( All modern iterations are Posers & wannabes )

 

[BreezeWood]

Democrat Kluxer Womenz

kluxer - is a christian only organization.

the bible belt adheres to whichever political party suits its purposes at any given time.

not sure any woman are cyclops's but would not rule that out with the likes of their membership ...

 

[BreezeWood]

So you are a KKK believer. Good grief. You are such a liar.

what's there not to believe ...

obviously not a christian or liar who claims false commandments to persecute and victimize the innocent as c-bear who refuses to denounce moses as a liar and murderer while accusing others of their own characteristic.

 

[BreezeWood]

The Knights of the Ku Klux Klan was litigated out of existence in 1986 ( All modern iterations are Posers & wannabes )

if you say so ...

ostensibly referred to today as - maga ...

or simply - the bible belt.

or, more simpler - american hatters.

 

[zaangalewa]

Mass Formation Psychosis at its best

And? Did you exist before you was born into this life?

 

[zaangalewa]

So you prefer living in a pre- determined Universe with no free choice .
Very Sheeepletish .

Are you able "to prefer" = "to imagine" to live in a pre-determined universe with free choice?

 

[zaangalewa]

anatta = no permanent self (Buddhist)

There is only suffering, but there is no sufferer.
There are only deeds, but no perpetrator.
There is redemption, but not the redeemed man.
There is the path, but there is no traveller.

 

[zaangalewa]

God never destroys a created soul. ...

What's perhaps not really true. "Destroys" is perhaps only the wrong expression. I think everything what exists is watched from god. Indeed to be watched from god is the same like to exist. But what would happen if god "forgets" someone or something? It would just simple not exist any longer. Not only now. It also never had existed - and it will also never exist too.

 

[zaangalewa]

How do you know it was not without Allah, Zeus, Mithra, or the thousands of other invented gods that came and went?

The "problem" is: God and gods are totally different things. Very short: You can make everything to a god but you are not god. For example, you cannot ask what is outside the universe because there is no outside. You also can't ask what was before the universe because there is no before ‘before’ God created time. We are limited - God isn't.

 

[zaangalewa]

kluxer - is a christian only organization. ...

Christians don't burn crosses. We wrap the cross in light because Jesus overcame this cruel instrument of torture and death. God is love. God is life.

 

[BreezeWood]

Christians don't burn crosses. We wrap the cross in light because Jesus overcame this cruel instrument of torture and death. God is love. God is life.

they do in america ...

its their most significant contribution by the bible belt as their symbol of identity - much as the swastika is for right wing german politics.

what they do for new arrivals to their neighborhoods - they burn crosses in their front lawns to show their displeasure.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Nope. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

So Mormon. And all the biblical error that comes with ANOTHER ADDED BOOK Paul earned about

 

[zaangalewa]

they do in america ...

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its their most significant contribution by the bible belt as their symbol of identity - much as the swastika is for right wing german politics.

what they do for new arrivals to their neighborhoods - they burn crosses in their front lawns to show their displeasure.

What do you not understand? This are no Christians. That's a racist US-American mob. This people are a mockery of the Christian faith and of all Guglmen whose clothing they wrongly imitate.

Media in vita in morte sumus
Die Guglmänner SM. König Ludwig II

Essentially, the Guglmen and their costume go back to the jackal-faced god of the dead, Anubis. During the plague, the Guglmen buried the dead. Their habit, which left only their eyes exposed, was an attempt to protect themselves from the transmission of the plague.
Since the time of the plague, the Guglmen have been regarded as symbols of death and a warning to the living. At the burial ceremonies for the Bavarian kings, 25 Guglmänner always preceded the catafalque.

 

[luiza]

Are you able "to prefer" = "to imagine" to live in a pre-determined universe with free choice?

It is impossible to communicate sensibly with souls like yours existing at a lower level at this point in their evolution .

 

[zaangalewa]

BreezeWood

By the way: You see in this picture above a cross with a warning which has a little roof. So the cross looks like an arrow which shows into the sky. The little roof protects the cross against rainy and stormy weather. We don't burn crosses. Such a cross on my grave would be a fine thing. On it written the saying: "I'm not down here - I'm up there".

 

[zaangalewa]

It is impossible to communicate sensibly with souls like yours existing at a lower level at this point in their evolution .

Good. You have insulted me. So I'm going to switch on my time machine and go back a million or billion years and destroy your existence. Or do you think you didn't exist before your lifetime so that I couldn't destroy you if I actually had a time machine - thought experiment.

By the way, it might not be the stupidest thing in the world to start learning something about the truly scientific theory of evolution before you try to beat others over the head with it.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The "problem" is: God and gods are totally different things. Very short: You can make everything to a god but you are not god. For example, you cannot ask what is outside the universe because there is no outside. You also can't ask what was before the universe because there is no before ‘before’ God created time. We are limited - God isn't.

We can say "I don't know," and that is the best and honest answer. Your premise is the argument I/we always get when someone refers to "God" with a capital or "god" without one.

NO ONE knows how the universe started or why. Not you. Not me. Not science. Not religious people. Not philosophers.

Anyone who says he does is lying.

What you and scores of people before you are doing is making stuff up and asserting you know more than anyone else and because people before you have told you and postulated that the universe was made by what they call "God" who is all knowing and all powerful and loves us and wants a relationship with us mere humans and if we firmly believe like Alice in Wonderland we will have eternal life.

That crap is all made up tripe and passed down to you from humans in authority so long and so often over the centuries that you believe it, like a lie repeated by indoctrinators over and over and over again.

Even is I, as a non-believer, grant the premise that the universe could not have originated on its own, that does not mean you get to insert your conceived and contrived god there. If it did, then anyone can insert their own god concept there, and there have been thousands of them throughout history.

Some people wrote things over centuries over what they thought "God" was, if there was a god. Then people collected those musings and put them in a book. Then they promoted that book as the truth and shamelessly said their god inspired it. Proof be damned.

Fast forward to today, and religion, like politics, is a form of control of the masses while those doing the controlling make lots of money. IOW, invent a problem and then say "I have the cure," and it costs you donations, adulation, respect, and belief.

 

[zaangalewa]

We can say "I don't know," and that is the best and honest answer.

Why? "To be stupid" or "intentionally not to like to know" is not the best and honest I would say.

Your premise is the argument I/we always get when someone refers to "God" with a capital or "god" without one.

Eh? I write god normally "god" in English and "Gott" in German.

NO ONE knows how the universe started or why. Not you. Not me. Not science. Not religious people. Not philosophers.

What we know is not exact but it is not nothing. Example: Why exists something at all? Why is not only nothing?

Anyone who says he does is lying.

A lazy argument. To say something what's not true is not a lie. In science we err us upward for example.

What you and scores of people before you are doing is making stuff up and asserting you know more than anyone else and because people before you have told you and postulated that the universe was made by what they call "God" who is all knowing and all powerful and loves us and wants a relationship with us mere humans and if we firmly believe like Alice in Wonderland we will have eternal life.

Eh? What do you know about me or my people except that "you" murdered Germans in masses in two World Wars on not any real reason to have to do so - what you do not like to know now?

That crap is all made up tripe and passed down to you from humans in

What for heravens sake do you speak about with your empty phrases?

authority so long and so often over the centuries that you believe it, like a lie repeated by indoctrinators over and over and over again.

Eh?

Even is I, as a non-believer,

It exist no spiritual non-believers. Also atheism is a belief.

grant the premise that the universe could not have originated on its own,

Why? In theory evolutionary you are not able to think at all about the origin of the universe because evolution is only within this universe. Nevertheless exist for example natural laws since the very first moment of the universe - totally unevolutionary.

that does not mean you get to insert your conceived and contrived god there. If it did, then anyone can insert their own god concept there, and there have been thousands of them throughout history.

Billions. The average life span of a new religion is 8 minutes.

Some people wrote things over centuries over what they thought "God" was, if there was a god. Then people collected those musings and put them in a book. Then they promoted that book as the truth and shamelessly said their god inspired it. Proof be damned.

Currently for example proved Gödel the existence of god - and this proof has still not been refuted - if only because hardly anyone understands it. Gödel used a special form of logic that only very few people have really mastered. But everyone who was able to make a proof of this proof found out it is correct. So in theory now all scientists had to think "god exists" if they would take serios the scientific epistemology. ("What's definetelly not wrong is true").

But most natural scientists seem to prefer the prejudice "atheism".

Fast forward to today, and religion, like politics, is a form of control of the masses

Sun masses? Galaxy masses?

while those doing the controlling make lots of money.

How?

IOW, invent a problem and then say "I have the cure," and it costs you donations, adulation, respect, and belief.

Which cure?